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Anyone hunt dogs that will kill a grown hog like this, this fast. I know some guys with what I consider rough dogs but Ive never seen them kill a hog bigger than 40lbs. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a7-dPpm4mmY

I had 3 of mine kill sow about 125# we were on foot n was 860yrds when garmin showed them treed she was dead when we got there

what kinda dogs you runnin? After I saw that video, I started thinking the dogs I thought were rough maybe arent that rough

The dogs didnt kill that hog.he stuck it.....lots of chewed up ham and backstraps

Dogo/pit and 2 cats use Dogo/pit for rcd and the cats are pretty rough by thereself

My "rough" cur dogs will attempt to catch and hold any hog, but I would not feed one that would actually kill a hog. There job is to catch and hold, not shake, tear, and kill ;) Young dogs coming up will be learned to leave shoats alone.

I run loose baying dogs so they'd have to bark one to death to kill it.

But I have had the bulldogs kill a few. smaller pigs (50-80 lbs).

thats a good point. those dogs in that vid are biting the heck out of that hog. People around here brag about how rough their dogs are, prolly tears up the meat pretty good. I guess thats not something to be impressed by. I definitely dont like the catch dogs tearing and shaking. just not something ive seen before

it looks like one American Bulldog, four Belgium Malinois or German shepherd crosses and one Husky cross.

I've had mine kill a few when I've had more than 2 on the ground they all catch and when they're trying to get a ear or nape they sometimes tear a good sized hole behind the ear where it meets the head just from pulling not trying to predate on the pig.I also will run my bulldogs in the winter sometimes one out and have had them tear ears off when they catch the hog far away.The dogs in the video looked like a pack of wolves taking down prey a couple holding and the rest tearing at the soft under belly and hind end not for me.

I don't see any cut collars, cut vests and no tracking equipment...and no scars....it might have been staged or maybe some close ranging dogs?

I was thinking the same thing! They looked as though they were a pack of wolves looking to predate

All the herders seamed to be pretty bent on killing the hog as fast and efficiently as possible, the bulldog was just doing bulldog thing and holding the head

Maybe it's the genetics of the dogs

But I did notice he made a couple cuts toward the end of the vid. One along the strap, one on the flank and one on the ham.

Made me think he was opening the carcass for the dogs to eat.

I suppose dogs may go at it a bit differently if they were raised to actually kill and eat on the spot and knew it was just dinner time, instead of hunting with their human partner...

thats interesting, maybe they are in a large pen and that hog got tossed in for live food. to wind down before bed I watch some youtube vids and everynow and then Im perplexed by something. Im not the sharpest guy around, thanks for humoring me with some input  :)

heres another clip I really like, good advertizing! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O1SMSuTvpn8

wrong vid cut, this is the right one, gets me pumped to run the dogs. Deer season just ended here time to catch some hogs!!!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yX14bX6YI0w

6 dogs always heats things up a lot.   One of them was a bulldog so what you expect.     I don't think I have super rough dogs but I'm sure I could turn any 5 loose with a bulldog and get the same results.    Only difference is I would leg the hog and tie them back before they ruined him.    Besides that hog ain't that big and I bet money if you turned them shepards loose on a good boar one at a time you would see just how rough they are.   Lol

If you really want to see how rough a dog is you only need one or two no more. Just like oconee said dogs get brave in numbers they are pack animals


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so judge when you say rough, you mean a dog that not just fights a hog but can hold its own? out here when people say rough they just mean a dog thats not baying, but fighting the hog or trying to catch or subdue it, not necessarily a dog thats effective at it. that said most folks have bay dogs, I only know three people that hunt with what they call rough dogs

To me a ruff dog is basically a Rcd all mine are ruff.They can find and hold most hogs by themselves and 2 can hold anything.If they bay then I know it's a monster.A dog that fights a hog ain't worth a damn to me if they can't hold a hog effectively than they are just going to make the hog run by fighting it.They need to hang a ear and stay hung or bay just hardly ever get the baying part around here.

To me a rough dog is one that is positioning its self to put its mouth on the hog its intentions are to catch not bay if it backs up and bays then that is grit imo


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do you like it that they back up and bay on a monster, so they dont get killed? or would you rather they catch him?

That's where a good vest comes in. Any dog can get killed by any decent boar at any time. You as the handler need to be smart bout how you pair your dog up its just common sense really


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I like caught hogs and like I said they don't bay often even on big boars in the 250# range like Judge I hunt them appropriately and pair them up with other ruff dogs. A loose dog that will not help catch can get a single ruff dog in trouble but my buddy has a loose dog and when we run a couple ruff dogs with her it works out pretty good.Dogs are gonna get cut sometimes and I'm sure that the ruff ones get cut more than the loose.Some have never barked at a hog in their life so I can't say that I like them to bay so they don't get killed I like them to know how to handle a hog so they don't get killed.It's luck of the draw and if they die in battle that is where they were meant to go I guess we try and protect them the best we can and get to them to help as fast as possible.

I got a pretty rough dog too.

There are members of this board that can attest to the fact.

He bay one by himself, albeit in a gritty fashion, but as soon as nother dog show up he catching. ....no mayter how big. He got many a scar to proove it but he is pretty smart as well being that he is 10 or so.

I cringe if its just him and a loose dog on a hog.  But honestly I hooe it's how he goes out one day and will hunt him until he can't no more. I just don't think I'd ever be able to put him down even tho it came easy for others. I want him to go out like the dog he is...a warrior.

Back to the vid tho.

There wasn't one bark, locator or bay bark in that vid.

Those dogs used to working to kill. Be it a pen or woods, really can't say. But tfey was seek and destroy.

Vid sounded like Russians or sumthin. They do stuff bit diff in most things frin other dog vids with the same or dif prey that I have seen.

Anyway....if those were mals, like was suggested, and they more than not looked to be.
Mals, and Dutch shepherds got pitbull bred in those breeds and this is fact just from more drive, grit and 'game' qualities when working man then the German shepherd.

They as a breed are not your average German shep Herder and were purpose bred and selected using pit crosses from way back at inception and the hardest representatives not to be.

....no wonder there was no barking imo

Do I believe they make great hunting dogs...probably not but if you wanna kill something animal or human tge are prob more than adequate.

And then you got prior conditioning and training in play. Like others have said this was whole pack of dogs and if they have worked ,like in the vid, that way their whole lives then I bet any size hig would prob meat the same end with them. 

Don't have nuthin to do with checking each of em oil individually because this is obliviously how these folks use their animals

In a side note....I did like the bulldog.

It caught like a bulldog. Did a damn fine job. Held its grip throughout. Anchored the hog while the herders ran around biting and regripping and pretty much controlled the hog throughout even when some the mals looked gassed and took breather well after hog was dead  at the end the bulldog was in hold and dragging the whole lot lol

That would be the one dog I'd like to see oil checked without 5 other gritty dogs in hog as well as that would matter more to the way we hunt in the US. I have no interest in running a pack of mals and basically feeding it to the figs cause it's good for nuthin else after they done with it. Not as quite as sporting as we roll here

Alligator dogs that pile a hog on sight with company are not near as hard to find as dogs that will find hogs and bay them until the catch dogs get there.    Its been my experience that a guy can catch a ton of hogs with rough dogs as long as they don't run out of the country and catch a bad boar a couple miles from you.    Thats when the damage is done because it takes a long time to get to your dogs.    I'll stick with bay-dogs and bottom!  Catchdogs are not that much trouble to lead and I can hold the fight off until I get there.   This RCD rage over the last 10 years is nothing more than a "cop-out" style of hunting by guys that got tired of their dogs quitting and coming back in 10 minutes.   Its easier to grab them than it is to bay them because if they break you probably won't ever see the hog again.   I could care less if I catch the hog, I want to see my dogs preform good dogwork, we just got thru watching 5 mutts and a fat bulldog "catch a hog",  WOW, thats not that impressive when you think about it.   To each his own and everyone's ideal of "good dogwork" is different but I would have a hard time calling them dogs in that video "hog dogs" even tho they obviously had one caught.

Even tho I took the long way around, I see it the same way as you oconee.

Maybe that was list in my plunkin at the keys

Ooops....never mind....just watched vid again and maybe bulldog did change holds couple times and do little rebiting. Not too very much tho considering it wasn't much of a fight with all them dogs and eventually a dead hog.

Not very sporting. But that's why I'd like to see that bulldog oil checked more than others...couldn't care less bout the others

some folks like a pack of dogs that will catch in 3/8th of a mile or quit and come back and try another hog...most of those type of dogs are culls to me...they usually don't have the nose to take a track unless it is smoking hot...

Rcd rage in the last 10yrs... I run Florida cracker Curs that have been this way before there were hog dogs  or cow dogs in texas they're the originals not the rage.I to like to watch my dogs work and just because they might get the job done in a faster more efficient manner don't mean they aren't doing work.I wasn't bashing a good bay dog just don't have to many.That don't mean I can't appreciate your style of hunting hogs but it damn sure was started by crackers and their ruff dogs.

The dig I spoke of will take a track....albeit a moderately hot one (he's a catahoula not a hound after all) and stick a race couple miles or so even tho he getn up there and some prior injuries catching up with him with age. But it's a real pleasure watchin dogs in the GPS and following and listening and trying to decide what dog if any amongst our group to send to stop the race and bay the hog. No matter which dif struck it.

Do we send another couple rough dogs to the bay of a rough dog?

Do we send another loose dog or couple rougher dogs to tge loose dogs bay?

Or do we just get close and walk in bulldogs....?

This is the sport I love.

I like to catch hogs but I'm happy just to shoot the chit strategize and spend a wknd morn with friends and the kids ...and maybe do little work in the process

I like a good nose for trailing and winding...I also like to run 5 or6 dogs that will catch a big boar but be smart about it...I like them to be smart enough to let go and bay as long as it knows not to break and try running...and when I get there I have the choice to give the command to catch or to make them back up for a well placed shot...running one dog will be one that will bite enough to stop the hog and then back up and bay...

sometimes one of these type of dogs will learn how to work a big boar and do some damage on the hog without getting any cuts...

what I did not like about these dogs is that they become bay busters in the thick brush on account the hog can maneuver and run in the thick briars and of course the dogs are at a disadvantage...have to depend on bottom to bring these to bay...

x2...on the strategy and theorizing and where to hunt and how to hunt based on sign and wind direction etc...

I to would never own a dog that can't run a track and mine have enough stick to get the job done. Just because a dog is ruff doesn't mean they have no bottom. It's not uncommon for them to run a hog a couple hrs before stopping it.

This is why this sport is so great the constant thought of dogs and hunting strategy and the future of your pack. Which direction you want to take it and how to improve it.Its long term plans and dreaming of them coming to fruition. There truly is no right or wrong way as long as it suits you.

Something we don't do enough of if cast wind direction.

We barely consider it most times.

We hunt sign in thick cutovers for the most part.

I think we should prob start paying attention. To that more next year after dear season within my group.

We tend to strike and then plan on the fly lol

....but I know wind and the scent traveling is prob the biggest factor for dogs when they are downwind. Sometimes we ignore dogs winding on the hood or rack to get to the spot we usually find sign or the club members we hunt for want to drop.

This is a thing we have to correct because sometimes the dogs fo back to that spot anyway but by then the hogs got their nikes on. ESP considering we will be having more high powered nose bred dogs in our pack next year.....

....that last was for my partners more than anything cause I know they peeping in here and there lol

I like dogs that get it done. Some say if the dog won't run a hog 5 miles or stay hooked for 5 hrs it's not a hog dog lol this is stupid. And people say open silent rough loose. Makes no difference to me I got all of the above. If your in it run hogs for miles then that kinda dog is for you if you want to catch the hog right fast then that dogs for you. And how the hell is a rcd a cop out way of hunting that's the stupidest thing I have heard. The goal for most is to catch the hog and that does it so i don't get the rest of this none since


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I always hunt the wind. The wind direction determines where I start and what direction I head.The dogs really shine when you point em in the wind lol.

I don't pay much attention to the wind I try to hunt in to it when I can. But the winds moving the dog can turn and the wind swirls so I don't give it much thought don't run tracks ether set any decent dog on a fairly fresh track and they will do something I think to many guys put there efforts in all this and it really comes down to this if the dog has the hogs number you if not you lose ain't much in the middle


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I am going to have to disagree with you Oconee, I know you have a lot of fine dogs and I am not trying to bash anyone but I don't believe for one second if a dog can get it done quick that is not a good dog. I just believe its a different style from yours and I guess my philosophy is a little different than yours too in that fact that when you say "I could care less if I catch the hog, I want to see my dogs preform good dogwork"  if you can't catch hogs than it aint good dog work in my opinion. Now that is not to be taken out of context as like I have stated before I know you have some really fine dogs and catch a lot of hogs but having a dog chase a hog for hours on end is not the only type of good dog work.

Where I live we have much smaller spots to hunt and if you want to be respectful of other peoples property lines you can't have these marathon races you talk about. After seeing my buddy have to call his dogs back or having to head them off to keep from getting in trouble and losing more hogs than we catch it made me change my whole outlook on it. That is just my two cents.

I have ran rough dogs a while now. I am putting a pack of loose dogs together now. My rough dogs will catch one fast at times and others I have seen them run one 4hrs before catching it. I do know there are instances and places where I am better off with loose dogs. If they cross the river on me it can take 1 to 2 hours to get to them. That is not a spot for a rough dog. I think each has its place and learning the places best suited for ur situation or style is probly the best thing u can do.


Shotgun
Arkansas

if they run a hog that long before stopping it, how long are they caught on a hog for? How long can a pack of RCD hold a big hog for? I know it depends on the hog, but lets hear some experiences. Id like to hear judges opinion on this too. I have one proven RCD and a few up and comers. Im trying to figure out what the best way to run them is and what I should be expecting from some good RCDs. We can run 3 dogs by law out here(per person), so im limited. Should I be only running short range dogs this way, so they dont get gassed before I can get to them and end up killed?

I hunt a couple nights a week year round so they're conditioned. I have had a single dog hold a 250# hog for an hour and a half and many times in 30-45 min range.I am always nervous when a single dog is on a hog for extended periods of time and try to run a couple at a time but when each dog will strike and prefer to take their own you run into single dogs on hogs.Many times we have to split up and go to multiple catches at the same time.if hunting with 3 other people I like to have 4 dogs on the ground in hopes that they'll pair up and many times they do but if there's only a couple of us hunting I like to run 2  so that we don't have to split up as often and can help at the catch.I do have 2 that bay a large hog but catch as soon as another dog is present they have some good Grit I wouldn't mind a loose dog just have to be careful who's on the ground with it. I just recently as in this summer started leading a bulldog just to throw a fresh dog in before we get there as an insurance policy during the heat but come winter they'll be running as well.Just because a dog isn't baying doesn't mean that the other dogs within reason can't hear what's going on so a loose running bulldog  helps in my opinion.The only thing is your bulldog starts to strike as well but I like caught hogs so if they strike one and hang it than I like that to.

How do you avoid loosing these rough dogs if its "not uncommon for them to run a hog a couple hrs before stopping it." ????   Its been my experience that when dogs start catching bad boars and I can't get there in a hurry they usually take a beating.

And by the way in one post your dogs "get the job done in a faster more efficient manner" and now "its not uncommon for them to run a hog a couple hrs"    Your killing me. Ha ha ha.       I'm not challenging your hunting style, it just never worked for me up here where the hog numbers are thin and they.run hard.   If you can't remember your last trip to the woods without a hog strike it will be hard to understand how frustrating it is to watch a couple rough mutts scatter a set of hogs all over the country then come back in 15 minutes.    We hunt days sometimes in my country so when we find a track, we need a cold nose to trail that hog up and enough bottom to stay with him if he runs.   

No matter the distance the dog goes and the hog is not bayed and the dog comes back the dog quit period. Now that being said I don't hold it against the dog if he gave it his best. But not stopping in general is more of a hound trust not a cur trait. A cur will come off reboot and try again a hound is not programmed like that. So kinda stupid to compare the two make no sence


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Judge NOONE said anything about hound/cur!   If you haven't seen curs that would stay hooked like hounds then thats your problem and just because yours won't damn sure doesn't mean they all won't.   I've seen plenty of curs with tons of bottom, its all in where you set your expectations.   If a guy expects his dogs (hounds or curs) to quit and come back and allows it to be acceptable then I bet anyone can guess what kind of dogs he has.    It all works different in different areas and different styles of dogs can produce pork under certain conditions.   All I'm sayin is, I've never had good luck with rough packs around here.    The rough packs that I've seen with bottom didn't hold up well after being caught for long periods of time while the owners walked to them and the rough packs that quit and came back don't work because each strike is valuable around here.    Having said that I can clearly see where them alligators could produce some serious numbers in an area over-run with hogs and roads where you could catch them all right in the bar ditch or let the run off and find another.

The places I hunt the hogs aren't that thick and they run everytime if my dogs get a chance to stop them than they're done.Quickly and efficiently and if they have to run them for a couple hrs to get them to stop then they do that but most of the time when they find them they stop them.I hunt all over with my set of dogs and get the job done and I can guarantee that I can come to your house and do the same.I promise your hogs ain't no different than every other hog my alligators whooped.Your just ignorant to the fact that your way ain't the only way. Most of the places I hunt people run deer dogs and the hogs definitely run but my dogs most of the time shut them down. The reason I don't loose dogs is because I don't sit in a truck and wait for a bark I go to my dogs wherever they go period. Even when they run a hog for awhile very rarely does a hog just run a straight line they run for thick then bust out make a loop cross water hit thick again cross water again most of the time they don't get more than a mile or so as the crow flies even if it took 5 giant loops and bends to get there that takes  a couple hrs when I know they're running one I stay in pursuit as well and know where the hogs are gonna try and shake them.You speak of expectations and I expect my dogs to get the job done that means start to finish.You said ruff dogs didn't work maybe you had the wrong blood maybe they weren't bred to handle the situation you were putting them in. These dogs have been bred to work all day everyday in 97° heat and handle large quary with control.Like I previously stated I have nothing against a good bay dog just don't really have to many.I do have a problem with one track minded ignorant sh@t talkers though.

Cracker I just erased what I was going to post when I read what you said. That is the truth I been told by that guy and other that I can't catch hogs where they hunt that is total BS. If it's a hog it can be caught. The people that say that just do so to make them selfs feel better they can all go sit on a greased pole in there under pants for all I care HATERS going to hate no matter what you bro


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Nuthin wrong with a heated debate. So judge and cracker, since youre two of the more outspoken few on here that run RCDs, what breeds are your best dogs? I know you guys got pits and cracker obviously has some cracker curs and bulldogs. I just want to be clear on whats working best for RCDs. I know other guys on here run bully lurchers successfully. And are you running RCDs with a dog that has a better nose, or do yours have good noses, can they run older tracks or just hot to warm?

Liefaweapon    I am not that out spoken bout any style form or fashion I just say what I think. I own one pit bull don't have any with pit bull in them. I have curs. I have a dogs with ok nose and with well above average bottom and straight catch curs and a few loose dogs not set on any one style of dog. I have some fl blood but they are not my roughest dogs. I do what works the better you diverse your approach in any thing the better you will be at the end goal. There is not any one person on here that knows everything. And every one that has said you can't do that hear ain't sent me any address to go meet them at. Talk is cheap on the internet that is a fact


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I don't use rcd when you say catch dog that to me is a different animal I have curs that catch big difference


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Well guys I guess ya'll told me.   Judge I have invited you so I guess its only polite to let cracker know hes welcome here too.   I never said you guys can catch a damn hog where I hunt.   You see its not just about catching a hog, its about putting a high precentage dogs on the ground.    Let me ask an honest question.   What happens when your rough dogs run a hog a couple miles away and catches a boar weighing about 250lb with a couple inches hangin out?  An I don't have any clue what your talking about with all that hogs "running loops" bs.   When I say "run one a couple miles" , I mean they will litetally be 2-4 maybe 6-10 miles away when they catch.   Now I guess you run vest but tell me what happens in this seniero because my experience is very bad.  If my dogs catch a big boar I want to be there, they can stretch all the shoats they want but I can't have mine jumping on good boars miles away.

Ya you invited me as you pretended to want a dog box I had for sale then flipped the scrip say how I couldn't do it where you are but I never did get that address. I never stay that far behind my dogs and when they catch I usely tie or stab the hog. Lol this is starting to be funny keep on coming I know you will blow a gasket soon


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No gasket blowing here in fact the statement about you not stayin far behind your dogs says all I need to know.   You are welcome anytime, in fact anyone is.   I'm really not that much of a butt I just have strong opinions.   We may not get after a hog every night but if anyone want to come hunt, come on.  It don't have to be an "ax to grind thing" we can just have a good time and maybe catch a hog.    (580) 258-0206 if your looking for trouble don't bother but call if you want to hunt.

Man I am proud of you brother you blow up that is a good thing I am saving your numer in my phone I would like to take you up on that offer. Me staying close to my dogs doesn't say anything other than we stay close as in less than a 1/2 mile some nights  few hundred yards no shame in my game my dogs are short range


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Didn't lol


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As I said when my dogs are running a hog I am in pursuit of them they usually don't get more than a mile from me and I will put a mile down no problem when I know they're caught. And if you ain't never seen a hog run a loop and don't know the areas that they go to loose dogs then you ain't paying attention. Never had a hog make it 10 miles from me there ain't 10 miles of legal property anywhere I hunt.Hogs don't make it that far my dogs shut them down. Where are you located Oconee?If I'm ever your way I'd love to drop my ruff mutts with you.It sounds like you're saying that we don't have toothy rank boars here in Fl now and all we do is stretch shoalts when they run a big toothy boar in the 250+ range they whoop him to I guess that even though it's been going on down here since the 1800's it is new to you.

Lifealweapon I have a mixed batch of Cambell Cur dogs and Fl Cur dogs.Like Judge said I have Curs that catch and my Rcds are large leggy pits and a bulldog cross that I found on the side of the road long legged 75-95# dogs.two are 7 and one is 5 so they've managed to make it thus far.

Cracker your depressing to debate with.   WOW, I never said you don't have rank boars in Fl.  in fact you have 10x the amount we have here in Oklahoma.    What I'm saying is that them kind of hogs will cut your dogs up while your putting down that mile and I don't care how fast you think you can get there.   IF YOUR DOGS GET OUT OF POCKET AND CATCH A RANK HOG, THEY WILL SUFFER A GOOD BIT OF DAMAGE!!!   PERIOD!!      Now you can give me all this crap you want about how you stay with them and how fast you can put down a mile but I've been doing this too long.

I'm not saying nothing bad about rough packs, all I'm saying is they're gonna have more bad run-ins than my dogs.    I've been hunting a LONG time and I can easily walk out in my yard right now and load 3-4 dogs that would catch every hog they see as soon as they can get to it but I hunt them dogs seperately so they don't stay cut down all the time.    In fact what I've said from the beginning is, anyone can put together an alligator pack very easily but they're gonna stay cut up.   And on the other side of that, NOT everyone can load a dog that will trail a cold track, find that hog, and stay bayed alone as long as it takes you to lead two bulldogs to them.    Therefore its my opinion thats the main reason a lot of guys run these alligator packs.    Is any of this making any sense to you cracker??   I know you have super dogs and thats not the case with you so I was not nesserialy talking about you if this doesn't apply.    I don't care what your style is, I been doing this long enough to understand the "pro's and con's" of both styles.   Good luck

Oconee I have an honest question for you, you run all plots if I remember correctly, isn't that right? Some real nice ones too. So I would assume due to how long the races are you speak of that you can only hunt real good size places, is that correct?

What part of OK are you around, that is where I was born and I still have family out there.

Eastern Oklahoma

My family is out in Broken Arrow.

So I am going to assume you can only hunt pretty good size spots due to all of the bottom your Plotts have. And that right there lies the problem for me and I am sure other people as well with places getting smaller and smaller I need to get it done a little quicker than that.

If my dogs get over 600 to 700 yards im doing my best to close the gap. I try to keep that gap reasonable. I may have to loop around and get back in the area but I'm always headed to the dogs. Once caught I'm not miles away. I may be a half at best. But can usually narrow that down as well. I know the places I hunt very well. I also don't run my catchy dogs if I'm not 100% sure I can get to them at a reasonable rate. I hunt off a side by side and depending on area may have a 4wheeler also. Between the 2 and my knowledge of the area keeps my response time down. I have had a few times it took 45 min or more to get to them.


Shotgun
Arkansas

 I promise you bring them long range plots down here to the rivers and swamps I hunt and they'll be gator sh@t before you make the 10miles to the bay dogs ain't the only things that go to a solid bay around here.You hunt the way that suits you best and I'll hunt the way that suits me but all the smartass ha-ha and hehe sure gets me hot.

Or they'll be shot and you'll be in jail for trespassing.

One thing I hear often is super rough straight catch curs are easy to find. This is far from the truth a cur that will catch any hog at any time is a rare as that no quit type dog. And if you think you have one hunt him by him self or with a loose dog you will find out right fast if he is what you think. Good dogs at any style are not at the local dog trader every day. People know I keep rough dogs and they contact me on a regular basis looking for a catching cur or super rough dog to help there pack out. My standard of a dog might not be what others are but I feed them no one else does I catch hogs with that's the bottom line that we try to achieve as hog doggers. No one style is better than the other a sharp blade cuts no matter the size


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I NEVER made any statements about what my dogs could or couldn't do, I only explained the style of dogs that have worked best for me around here.   I also never said you can't catch hogs with a rough pack here either.    Judge Pee jumps on everytime I posts because I called him once and told him to bring his dogs up for a hunt and pissed him off.   I've actually invited him again but as you can see he just wants to "Internet hunt" so I could give a crap less about his mouth.   Now as far as Cracker goes, I'm sure you have a nice pack of dogs and catch a lot of hogs.   I really don't know why your so butt-hurt at me to tell the truth.   All I said was I had bad experiences with rough dogs getting caught and cut down before I get to them.   You can try all week to explain how it doesn't happen to your dogs but I been doing this long enough to know why, if they truly don't stay banged up.

Rednose I hunt some really big places and a lot of public timber company lands.   And by the way, I NEVER said anything about my plotts having some kind or unreal bottom as you suggested but since you brought it up.   I don't give a damn where I hunt, if dogs run  a few minutes and come back wagging their tales and licking their nuts around here they go away.  QUICK!!   If I lived in an area where I had to feed quitters, I'd just buy some fishing tackle and take up fishing.

Now lets get one thing strait, I don't think I have any special dogs and I don't think my style of dogs are the best for anyone and everywhere so I'm tired of being acussed of having that attitude.   What I have done is state what I have seen out of certain styles of dogs around here in my lifetime of hunting and how it hasn't worked so well.   I'm not a butthole and don't ask for confrontation on this site but I've damn sure spent a lot of years following dogs and tying hogs down and through them years I have formed MANY STRONG opinions and if you can't listen to them I would advise you stop participating in PUBLIC message boards.   

Oconee I don't know why you are becoming so defensive with me, I was not attacking you at all. Quite the opposite I was just asking you some questions so I could try and see things from your perspective as I know you have a lot more experience than me. In fact I really like Plotts a lot and have always wanted one but I have never pulled the trigger due to the fact they tend to be long range and have a lot of bottom and I am afraid they might run themselves off of my spots too often. I never said your dogs had unreal bottom but I know you said they get in some pretty long races so I was believing you and basing my question off of that. You seem like a real good guy and you have a right to your opinion same as I do mine, and mine was never meant to bash you or anyone else here. I am pretty new to hunting with dogs and just trying learn why people look at things the way they do.

Oconee you keep addressing your post to me I keep making general statements why are you so angry. The way I see you are the only one running there mouth tough guy. I said yesterday I would love to come up to your neck of the woods to hunt but apparently you just like to run your mouth on this internet hunting cuz you keep saying that over and over I have seen some of your hog videos on YouTube not impressed. And why do you always say butt hurt ?


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Rednose I appoligize for they way I came across, just sick of being the bad guy because I'm not affraid to defend my opinions.   If your new to hog hunting with dogs then your in the right place to learn.

Once again Judge, I NEVER said anything about my dogs so I wouldn't expect you to be impressed with any videos of them.   Although it does say a lot for your obsession with me and my dogs that you took the time to look us up on Youtube.   I'm humbled that you took that time, I never knew you were such a fan.   Ha ha ha ha ha

I didn't look you up on YouTube you posted a link on here I simply click on it and your stuff came up. Look bubba I post on here a lot I don't search you out sometime I actually agree with thing you say as have you with me. Your probly a nice fella I don't know. But I would like to hunt with you some not to start or talk crap but just to get to know you my friend maybe then you won't be so negative towards me on this here internet


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Boys...I paid $1.78 for gas last night. 

Travel is cheap right now; you gonna spend all day talking about hunting together or are you going to hunt together?   :)

Lol that's pretty good right there fella any one that wants to hunt with me come on I don't have gas to travel very far but you can meet me at tractor supply at 8 pm Friday night in waxahatchie tx 75165 just pm if you want go that's for any one out there in internet land and you can see for your self how I conduct my self.


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thats a long drive for me!

So judge when you say you have curs that catch, Are they mountain curs? BMC? Cats? Maybe it doesnt matter because as long as they are curs and they catch, you are good to go, but Im from California and dont know jack about hunting with curs that catch, and Im curious. Is there bulldog crossed in them?

Liefaweapon I got fl cur x cats and straight curs of different blood lines and lacy x mnt curs. I just use what and breed what works for me there are folks on here that have seen my dogs work in bay comps and on hunts some great so not so great. The individual line of that breed that caries the catching trait is how you look at it as any other yyhing you are looking for weather it's open big bark bottom so on. My best hunting buddy of 25 yrs is out in Cali working what part are you in my wife grew up in Santa Monica


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Judge I'll be sittin in that tractor supply Friday Oct. 2 at 6:30 p.m. on one condition.    You show me your best dog, ALONE and we'll lead a couple catch dogs to him.    I'm not interested in seeing a truck load of "me-too" dogs swarm a hog.   Then the following weekend you travel here and show him to me in my neck of the woods.

Lol...Oconee, I'd love to be there as well. I'll say this, I'd put money out there saying Peels "best" (my opinion) dog will run with your hounds step for step (or better). But that ain't one of his rough dogs.

I don't hunt the same style dogs Peel does, they're just not for me....I ain't got two young bucks to haul azz to the bay/fight for me, lol. Those boys of his are hands, for sure! That being said, I'll say this, he catches a lot of hogs, and a lot of BIG RANK hogs. Sometimes with his "best" dog on the ground, sometimes not. Anyone says he runs a pack of me too rough curs...they just don't know what they're talking about.

I'd say it's a rare occasion for him to have more than 3 dogs on the ground unless he's hunting with another hunter.

Well KevinN, make no mistake about this deal, I'm not bringing anything.    I have NEVER made any claims to what my dogs will do.   Ol' Judge here is gonna show me what he calls a "hog dog" and we're not gonna do it with 3, just 1 good dog.

Me too! hahaha but I will be making a trip out there to Texas later this year to pick up a dog.

He's got the dog to do it Oconee, but if you have an opposition to walking...you may want to rethink it

I'll go out on a limb and say "I think I can keep up."   Kevin you should join us, that way I can hunt with both ETHD biggest internet warriors in one trip.   

Oconee you just can't stop talking crap can you lol. Is the one dog only comment going to make me run and cry. I said hunt together so you can see how I conduct my self not so you can examine my dog. You must not won't to bring a dog so nothing is on you that's cool. Your on this web site Fb and YouTube I am only on this site Hollywood cowboy. The offer was not a challenge to you against my dog it was a gesture of kindness which you or to worried about being able to say my dog was not up to your standards with out having a dog on the ground your self just shows me your a me to dog


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Well boys I guess I could drag my crippled azz out there just for the fun of it but I'll be in North Padre getting married this weekend. Besides, I ain't hardly got a dog worth mentioning anymore

I better take that last statement back, Ol Preacher might take offense. He might stumble on a hog....but then I'd have to listen to him bawl and walk behind him for the next few miles/hours....naw...I'm gonna go get married instead

Congrats Kevin y'all be safe and have fun


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Judge, I have no desire to just hunt with you for the fun of it.   You blow on this site from daylight until dark everyday and as soon as I make a strong point you have something smart to say.   Just go back a read thru every argument we've had on here.   You can't handle my opinion and thats the real issue.   Do I think you have good dogs, yea probably, do I think you have better dogs than me, maybe.   Thats all rather here, nor there, the point is as long as your gonna post your opinion on here then so am I.   I been hunting hogs a few days and I have likly seen things with my own two eyes that some only speclate about so when I read crap on here about dogs achieving great feets and preforming beyond belief I'm not affraid to put in my .2 so the easiest thing for you to do is be a big boy and not run your head everytime I comment.

Now on another note, I challenge you to reveiw EVERY POST I've ever made on here and quote me on each time I told "what my dogs could do."    You will likly find several occasions where I stated what I won't tolerate out of them but NEVER have I said they were superior to any other dogs.   The dogs I feed suit me and you have seen them in videos (lmao) so I don't need to haul them three hours to show them to you but if want me to I will.

Bubba look how do you know when I am on here or not do you have an alert for when I get on here. Any one can read back you put my name up I didn't put yours I just made some statements I think are true lol. Seems like you have a ax to grind I wish u the best of luck my friend and I will leave it at that


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It sounds like just a style debate to me and Oconee ain't got nothing nice to say about rough dogs, lol.

Hell, I understand if it ain't your style, it ain't mine either but I ain't gonna run it down because some folks have the exact dogs they say they do.

I believe he also said he still gets runners from time to time. Longest hunt I've been on was with Peel. The hunt lasted 10 hours or more. We walked 6-7 miles and the dogs logged 20+. They were on the same hog for 6 hours or so. It all ended in JUST missing putting down a damn fine hog, basically to handler error.

Oh...and Preacher WAS on this hunt..right behind Flash (the best dog, IMO) the whole way, bawling his azz off...that's probably why the boar ran so far, everybody knows open dogs make hogs run farther

Lol Kevin maybe we get that hog some U tile then hey we keep grinding


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Some day until then we keep grinding dang fat fingers


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I got no dog in this fight here, but one of you guys reminds of a drunk in the corner that just won't stop talking crap until somebody knocks him in the jaw   ;D

That's a pretty good one there lol


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You old guys are funny.... I hope one day I have a dog or two I would willingly argue over.

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Briar can you make it clear to us all who the "rambling drunk" on you story might be.


Slim no one is argueing over any dog.   I simply don't think Judge Peel would know a "hog dog" if it bit him in the butt.    Thats my opinion, I have volunteered to come see (on my dime) but all he wants to do is have a fun hunt and show me how he "conducts" his hunting operation.   I'm of the opinion the how a man conducts himself has NOTHING to do with the preformance of his dog.    Maybe I'm wrong because his buddy KevinN has already told about the longest hunt he's ever been on the hog got away because of "handling error."    WHAT THE HELL DOES A HANDLER HAVE TO DO WITH A HOG RACE??    The dog either finishs the race or he don't.

Lol...Slim...when you find that dog, get pups out of him as quick as you can and never let him go. They don't come around often, lol. I ain't got anything I even like anymore

Oconee your such a damn blow hard, lol. You ain't got a clue about anyone's dogs but your own till you hunt with them. Form all the "opinions" you want but that's all they are and from a close minded individual like yourself, they don't mean crap.

Flash and Preacher were on that hog when he finally stopped, the other dogs were split up by this point...two rough curs with the young bucks 1/4 mile in front of the old farts (Peel and I) who had the bulldog as back up.

Now...this is just MY "opinion", Peel may see it different. We were in contact with the boys somewhat on the cellphones but when it came time to make the important decisions there was a lapse in communication. The curs were turned out about 400 yards from the bay...they were fighting that boar over the next few minutes and had him CAUGHT...(as they had MANY big, rank hogs) but that SOB was a fine specimen...as the boys approached he shook loose the last cur. The anchor cur was layed out and had nothing left, he was cut up a bit but more than anything just spent. We called in/corralled the lead dogs and called it at that point. We the handlers made the mistakes that day that cost the dogs their trophy because we split up the pack. That's my "opinion".

Bubba looks to me your the one rambling on. You seem to be one petty fella. You forgot to say that your time on here logged in is a day and a half more than mine but your right I post a lot so what's your point. I am sure I know what a hog dog is let me think find stop catch a hog pretty simple as a definition to actually make one harder. But like I said you can't stop can you lol


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But hey I have had few people tell me it's been making some good laughs 


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Well thats all that matters, as long as folks are getting a good laugh.    By the way tell me again how them "ruff curs" contributed to the hunt KevinN told about.    It sounded to me like a couple pretty nice dogs had their hard work ruined by a couple half-ass alligators.    Man I gotta get me some rough dogs!   Ha ha ha.   If you and KevinN would have gotten up there with them bulldogs you could tell a good hog hunting story instead of a "fish tale."    Look guys I'm not EVER, freakin EVER gonna shut up because I know it pisses ya'll off and I truthfully I have nothing better to do.  Ha ha ha.     

Judge since your not gonna shut up either could you start a new topic and describe in more detail your definition of a "hog dog."   This is a serious ideal, I'm not gonna be a smart ass and I will post my definition on the post as well.   I think a lot of debates on these sites are largely due to the fact that everyones ideal of a good hog dog varies so much.   We don't have to be judemental towards each other and I think it would be another good and intertaining topic for the readers.   I know everyone needs different styles in different areas so take a little time to explain the needs of the dogs you describe.    This is not an attempt to stir more crap, I think it would be good so if Judge will start it, I'll comment and keep my strong opinions about other styles to myself.

I only respond to what you keep saying lol. There is no half ass to my rough dogs. Basically what your saying is that your dogs would have got it done lol. You can't every time you should know that since you seen things we only speculate on. No dog is 100% at any thing. This is a open forum so I have no problem going on and on.


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You see there you go again, talking number 2 about what I didn't even say.   Now you can bet you ass I wouldn't have turned a paie of "ruff dogs" loose when I got there.  I would have turned some in the meant business and thet might have gotten cut down too but at least I gave it my all.   There is a reason some dogs are called "ruff" and some are called "catch dogs."   It sounds like you and you brother should have learned something from that experience but you guys already know it all.

This cracks me up.   I posted an opinion that rough dogs didn't woek for me and 5 pages of nonsense later you guys post a story of a hunt that clearly admits they failed you miserable.    Wow, talk about beatin your head against a wall.

I'll handle it Peel....the "know it all" needs more details I see, lol.

Oconee...as I mentioned before...Peels style of dogs/hunting is not the style I prefer, but I love to hunt...period....and ME PERSONALLY, I don't have a problem hunting with other folks who hunt different than I do.

Now this wasn't our first hunt together, we'd caught hogs together before...but on this particular hunt, along WITH Preacher, Id also brought a couple pups of 9-10 months of age. I'd asked Peel to alter his style a bit because I didn't want a situation to arise where the dogs WHERE caught a couple miles away and have one of my young pups get wrecked and me not be close by. He abliged and the rough curs stayed on lead more often than not. Honestly...that hog probably would have been caught, and a whole lot sooner if those dogs were running loose. Now that's....the rest of the story

Every thing you two have said in the last few posts describing tge details of that hunt has supported my theory on running rough dogs.    If you guys will read my first few post you'll see your making me look more and more right about my reasons for not preferring alligators.   WOW!   If ya'll agree then stop posting.

Only thing I said bout that hunt was we missed the pig lol your reaching to be right.  You are right bout one tho you never shut up


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wow...lol...no budge whatsoever.

Yes...every hunt with those dogs ends exactly like that one, Peel never catches any hogs...none inside 100 yards...none over 3 miles away...none over 5 miles away. And he's GOT to lose a lot of dogs right? How many dogs you have get killed by a hog the last 5 years Peel?

Zero


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Some of the guys I hunt with have lost a few of there loose dogs tho


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I really shouldn't get in the middle of this one...because I will have to dodge some bullets...

a while back I saw a video of some plotts in open woods...they were not committing to catching or stopping the hog but were really putting enough pressure to push the hog...more like bay busting...and when a dog that  bays more like a howl  "hoooooow hoooow how" can't put his mouth on a hog because he is boohooing like that...but with enough bottom that hog will come to bay somewhere sometime...

lots of gritty gritty  or as some folks call rough dogs don't have the bottom to stick for a long time...some will and still others will as long as a trail dog is leading them on the track...before anyone talks noise on this please...learn to read the dogs...yes there will be some that will do it alone but many will not...

I have seen many hard hunting dogs that don't do a good job of finding hogs and others that didn't range far but had the knack to find hogs...

Really the perfect hog dog is hard to find anywhere...because sometimes we need a rough dog and other times we need a loose baying dog...

sometimes that loose bay dog needs to put teeth on and won't even though he is in the wide open...other times the briars are so thick the rough dog becomes a bay buster...because he can't get in there to get it done

too rough and you will have dead or crippled dogs...sometimes dead due to heat exhaustion...

too too rough and they are  RCD's whose life could be shortened...

I want gritty gritty dogs that will lay some teeth but have the sense to back off and bay once they know the hogs is not going to run any more...just put enough teeth to keep them stopped...

the bad thing about these type of dogs is that sometimes they will need to go home right after one or two hogs caught...because there is no such thing as a perfect hog dog...differet situtations will make the dogs work differently...

I do like a pack of dogs that when in a big big woods to have a pack or 2 of dogs go in ahead and when they come out to the other side you go in with your pack and strike and catch a couple in a short while...especially if there are very few hogs to be found...

Ruben that's why I like all flavors of dog to make my pack not set on any one thing for the reasons you stated. 


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Reuben it sounds like your the smartest person to post on this topic in a long time (smarter than me for sure) and I think the dog you described are what I been trying to describe all along.   The "happy medium" is a fine line and real "hog dogs" are far and few between.    This entire site probably thinks I'm an arrogant hole in the butt just because I refuse to use the title "hog dog" loosely.

You ain't the only one Oconee...BAIV don't throw it around either.....id honestly hate to be a prospect on his yard

Wow you are one arrogant,mouthy,SOB you remind me of every other prick in the world who won't shut up till you shut them up.You said that you're a fat ass and your fat ass couldn't hunt the way I hunt or by the sounds of it the way Judge hunts.You have to be as physically fit and as ruff as the dogs you run. So that explains why you only run loose fluffy dogs. Oconee hahaha hehehe lollollol....I couldn't be in the woods with you for 5 mins.

Well I bet my worst dog would run circles around any of yalls best dog! ;) (no seriously, she's a pup and for the first 30 minutes likes to run around in circles trying to play with my two strike dogs while hunting) lol

Lol cracker I ain't that fit I use to be in another life. But I am still tuff as nails and don't stop but not fast but when I let my boys take over they are truly a sight to see I put them against any one any where. I have hunted with a lot of younger fellas most will not walk thru the mess we do but at the same time there are some that are good hands and good dog men.


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Crack-head thats about the only thing you've said since you opened your mouth that made sense.   "I couldn't be in the woods with you for 5 mins."    You couldn't carry me hunting vest kid, much less show me anything in the woods.   Typical punk kid with a handful of mutts in hog country so thick you can catch them with a pack of staghounds.

If you want to name call, I got plenty of time on my hands son!

Thanks for the info, Im learning. Im in northern Ca, Ukiah area, however I grew up in santa barbara

thats some funny chit right there!!! lol

very well said!!!

For 1 thing your too ignorant to know much about stags and second at least my stags find and catch pigs and they do it by themselves.       Your dogs your talking about can't even do but half what 1 of my stags does!   I think the ideal all around hog dog should be able to do it all, anything else would be short of an all around hog dog..   Sounds like you just got half azz dogs and are insecure about it and try to talk them up in order to make yourself feel good. 
   Your very insecure of people that have all around dogs such as Peel and Cracker who's dogs do twice what yours do which is find and catch.            You want to talk smack about certain kinds of dogs, better talk it about your own cause all your experience and age hasn't taught you crap other than to generalize.     If you been at this so long and ain't no smarter than you are for it, maybe you try something else cause you have analyzed your experience poorly.    You think your some kinda authority in hog dogging referring to the amount of time you have invested into it like it makes you smarter than the rest of us.    I think if you ain't no farther along than you are, your terrible and should stop trying to refer to the number of years you have done this as credentials and start trying to hide the fact that you been at this for so long.     The number of years you been at this and your ignorance is astonishing.         
   

You're right I couldn't carry your fat ass to the woods and you ain't gonna show me nothing in the woods from your pick up truck on the dim road.when I go to the woods I get in them don't rig hunt with a beer between my legs and old Hank Williams on the radio. I put my dogs and feet on the ground you're just like every other weekend warrior lease guy with a pack of hounds that trash the whole woods for 10 hrs and bump a hog every now and then. My 12 yr old daughter is my favorite hunting partner and she's got 10× the Grit as your old fat ass and I promise you there ain't no boy here fluffy I'm all man.

Blackstreak I saw that you had a litter of pups I wish that I wasn't so far away I'd sure like to own one and give em a whirl down here I'm sure that they'd suit me well.I've always been really interested in the Aussies breeds and you're stags are the closest thing I've encountered to them.If your ever visiting fl or anyone else is I'd love to take one off your hands.

Is it just me or do these chest thumpins always happen during goat season when most guys can't hunt!

I am really enjoying this post!! Hard to believe it's a debate being done by grown men!! Most people know what kind of dogs I run! I use what I do because it is what works best for me, same as anyone else who feeds and hunts his own dogs! Do not want to sit in a truck packing 5-10 dogs, that have to run a hog for 10 miles to get him to stop, then baying him till they drive a catchdog to them! It's either 1 strike dog and a catchdog, or 2 strike dogs on the ground is how I Like To Hunt!! Believe me, 2 dogs is all it takes to find, stop, and catch hogs if you have Real Hog Dogs! Hell I hunted 1 cur and a bulldog for 4 years and caught 100's of hogs with a 70 - 80 percent success rate! Not a hog behind every bush, rough terrain, and you will be on foot for at least 6 - 7mi! They have hog dog hunts on the land I hunt.  Last hunt they ran there were 165 dogs hunting for 3 days, and all they pulled out of the property was 15 hogs, so not a easy place to find, and catch hogs consistently! Hounds, curs, and every kind of dog you can imagine was being used!
Not starting anything, but I do veiw and read all post. Alot of the stories do not match up to the pictures or vids! Thats hound or cur hunters!! Really do not see anyone hunting one dog out on this sight, definetly not any Plott Hound hunters! Sure hear alot about top Plott breeders having rough dogs, but seeing the pictures with 5 of them baying a 200lbs hog in my eyes is Not a rough group of dogs, same with curs!
Hunt what Ever Breed of Dog You Want and get out and have some fun doing it how ever you feel works for you!!! Good hunting to all!!
P.S. My dogs are The Best there are!! For Me!! >:D

TazD I am grown even tho I act 8 sometimes lol but I know that. I like what you said that's pretty good. And mine are the best there is for me lol.


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This has not been a debate in the last several posts, its been a hellva a lot of assuming,  putting words in mouths, and name calling.

There are three things everyone needs to understand about PUBLIC MESSAGE BOARDS.

  First and foremost you must have thick skin because when people aren't smart enough to debate they will call you names so you have to be a big boy and not let that bother you.

Secondly, not very many folks are gonna see things the same way as you because we all hunt differently.

Last and most importantly, nothing on here matters because its just a place to shoot the bull!  

If you guys aren't smart enough to see I'm just getting a kick out of all the ridicoulasness then thats you problem.   I know nothing I post on here means crap to anyone and nor does any of your BS change my mind on my theories so getting all jacked up and calling names and turning red faced is just hurting your own health.    

I already mentioned that I'm not shutting up since I'm bothering you guys so much but I guess it didn't sink in so let me spell it out to you all.     Everytime I open this sight and my name isn't the last on to comment I will comment again.   End of story, so if ya'll are tired of my mouth then shut up or start messaging you moderator in efforts to have me thrown off the site.

Good day

Your not bothering me one bit fella I can go to infinity and beyond. I think it's funny cuz everything you just implied me or we are doing is exactly what your doing lol. So I guess we will keep rolling with the flow like Charlie rich said


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Well since neither of us intend on stopping can you or Kevin tell us another hunting story.   That last one was enjoyable.   Can he tell one where ya'll actually catch a hog tho

Once again I never stated a story if you want to here about one of my hunts I have posted many in the section for reading that ended in a caught hog for your enjoyment. Why do you keep trying to pull people in to your incoherent ramblings about the mystical creature known as a hog dog. I don't really care what you say next I am sure it will be good tho until next time. But I promise I won't change the channel


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I think I'm a pretty good wordsmith

Well the truth is I like Kevin and was just wondering if he would chime in some more for our entertainment.   I'll check them stories out some time.   Oh wait, no I won't.    Look I guess I'm gonna give in and spare everyone the attitude but before I go I just want you to know, your pretty close with your "mystical creature" difinition.      HOG DOGS ARE VERY RARE!

I've got many stories on this forum, of caught hogs AND hogs that got away. I've bragged on dogs, questioned and cussed them....BUT...make no mistake, these stories aren't fantasies....I keep it real, lol

Bubba I never said a good dog was at every corner but I do know what a good dog is just like many others on this site. Do I think I have one or two yes I do so does a lot of folks I don't need your approval for any thing I say or do nor does any one else. But it's always a pleasure talking with ya. Just keep in mind he who is resistant to change will surely parish


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I'm leaving here at 4:00 I want to see these "hog dogs."    I should be there at 7:00 are you gonna meet me at that Tractor Supply or not?

Bubba you can be where ever you want to be at 7 but you ain't going with me any where that will only end bad. I know you will respond crazy but that's fine


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Nope I undetstand completely.  Ha ha

Well that's a first good for you lol


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Rednose I think I know who your getting that dog from he ain't but two hrs from me I would be more than happy to take you on a hunt. Not a lot of hogs on my spots the heli guy has pretty much wiped them out but there are some nice ones from time to time you can pm if your intrested.


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I don't like ruff dogs either, and I hate dogs that come back after a mile or two knowing they was to sorry to keep going. I usually feed them to the worms or whatever's around. I have 1 ruff dog as we speak and only reason I still do is because certain people at my house like him so he's here to stay and he won't bay a hog he's either caught or laid over in the grass wondering if it's going to be his last breath. But that's just what I like and don't like. Most around here hunt loose dogs so one ruff dogs usually gets all them wrecked if it's a bad hog or makes it break and just have to run it longer. Like someone said earlier in the post if I had to feed a dog that quit after a mile id buy me some fishing tackle. I like a dog that when you let it go it kicks rocks and goes hunting and don't look back. I got a dog named Ben now I been letting my buddy hunt for a while, he's got to where when you pull up on the fourwhweler to cut him off a track to go home he will go around you and this dogs daddy was like that, their kinda aggravating for most people but it's what I like and he's loose unless it's several other dogs their then he gets ruff so we only try to hunt him with not many on the ground. yoy can find a dog that will run a hog 1 or 2 miles a dime a dozen. But one that will take a track work it out and put a hog on the end or stay after until your ready to go home is a needle in a hay stack.

oh boy! here we go again! lol

Instigator are we lol just kidding. Don't start no stuff won't be no stuff well that's what little John says. Bo that kinda dog is great to have if you have big property I do not I will be in trouble on most of my spots few not so much but I can see where that dog could be very valuable. In most cases I need to have them caught in under two miles as a straight line goes   


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Well I hunted the river last night walked 7 miles and never saw a track zero fresh sign. Buck and Zeus hunted hard but you can't catch a ghost.The water is high and that in conjunction with the added pressure of deer season the few hogs on the 3000 acres are pushed to the neighboring property which I have no access to. This happens every deer season when it finally cools down the woods are crawling with people and come general gun, deer dogs as well.There are many places in Fl that are crawling with hogs and believe me I am on a constant quest to gain access to one of them but as of now my spots are not very good. We do have quota hunts that you can apply for like the one that TazD mentioned earlier some are better than others and I hunt a couple and usually do ok but these hunts can be very sketchy with scumbag thieves who ride around waiting to hear a hog bayed or caught and try to steal the hog or even worse your dogs and gear. This has happened to several of my friends.One buddies dog got kicked and her jaw was broken his son and his sons friend were beaten up and their hog was stolen.Even though I drew a good one this year I am very hesitant and believe that I am going to turn my permit in.I have no where to run a long range dog with endless bottom.I can appreciate one for sure just have absolutely no use for one at the moment.

Thanks for the invite Judge it won't be for a couple of months but I would def like to take you up on that offer. To me it doesn't matter how many we catch if we catch any or not, I just like getting out there and doing it.  See how you do your thing and learning from it. We have to do things way different out here due to laws so I would really like to try the way you guys do things.

Bo be careful, we can't take that kind of honesty around here.   Lol

No all kiddin aside all I ever implied is that the "ruff, catch'em quick or come back" style of dogs are not true "hog dogs"  IMO and its getting me killed on here.   I love to bow hunt whitetail deer from time to time as well and if this country ever outlaws bow hunting I'm done with deer.   I refuse to hunt with a gun it just doesn't do it for me.    Same with hogs, its not just about "catchin a hog" to some of us.    I credit this to having caught thousands of hogs in my life and killed several Pope&Young class bucks in my life and if having "been there before" makes me arrogant then I apologize.    I used to help a guy do guided hog hunts in an enclosure and 15-18 years ago I LOVED IT but I soon realized two things were constant.   First we was going to catch hogs EVERY day and very few on the dogs we were using could bay the tougher kind of hogs on the outside.    And by "tougher kind" I mean most hogs are easy to catch with decent dogs but some require a MUCH higher class of dog.   This realization turned me off eventually and I started to desire the upper class of dog.    Now don't get me wrong I still love to catch an ol' nasty boar and I do it consistently with whatever dogs I have at the time but you'll never catch me on here saying "they produce so they must be hog dogs" or "they work for me and thats all that matters"   Nope, I will say I caught a few damn nice hogs this week with mostly "junk" and a couple promising pups and Iif my hunting buddies ask me if I have a "hog dog" I'll say "nope, I have a dog that will bay a hog but not a hog dog"  and they'll understand exactlt what I'm saying.    If being honest with ourselves is so elusive then its no wonder a new guy getting into hog hunting can't find a decent dog to start with.   Had a guy text me the other day and told me to keep an eye out for him a hog dog and I replied "hog dog or HOG DOG!"   He then replied "you know."   Yes I do!!!

On a side note, being honest with ourselves isn't always the case, some folks just don't know.   Take care and I'm sorry for all tge toes I have stepped on.

scumbags beating up dogs and stealing hogs! man the laws in California suck but Im glad I dont have to deal with that nonsense. When I was a kid we used to leave a really nice bike in town unlocked and wait for someone to steal it, then we would beat the snot out of whoever did, we were bored. Might have to pull something like that on those daddy didn't marry mommys. lol

Beat the snot my butt, take of business and leave them for the yotes, buzzards, ants and gators turn them into poop. That kind of crap is nonsense, especially whooping up on kids just for a piece of pork. If the law wont do anything, then its time to take the law into your own hands and let justice be served.

Rednose just holler when you get close to coming this way and will set something up. Heck I don't think that any one really doing anything much different might approach at a different angle but still pretty much the same lol.


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Sounds good my friend will do.

Judge I can assure you some folks do it different!

Which quotas hunt did you draw? I hear you about stealing hogs, have seen my share of that and people trying to put hands on dogs that didn't belong to them. Thankful no one can touch ours

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Green swamp west unit 10/21-23 and my buddy got tosohatchie hunt 1.I have never had anyone try to get a hog or dog from me thank god as my reaction would not be good. Where are you located spaz?

LH Cracker. I do not do any of the quota hunts anymore, did years ago, but not interested in the crowds, and people driving around dumping dogs on others who have caught or bayed a hog! Had it happen at Starkey quota hunt. My dogs worked a hog for about a 1.5mi and finally got it caught, got to them pulled off 2 of my dogs then all of a sudden here comes 7 head of dogs!! They tried to say the hog was theirs, but I do not play that game!! By the time I was done with them, they drove me back to my truck, and were saying Sir alot!! GSW is a good hunt. Not much B'S will go on there because every Wildlife Officer will be there at that hunt, always is!!
My spots are always under water, ask the men from Texas about their hunt with me when they came down for a visit!! I am sure they will tell you it was not like hunting in Texas!! Had a great time though, and slammed a real nice boar! Oh yeah, and he was crying like a baby when my 2 curs swallowed him up!! >:D

Cracker we are around ocala

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Yeah I'm not big on crowds either TazD.Those kind of encounters scare the hell out of me. Probably go check it out and if I can get way back off the roads away from the crowd then I'll cut a couple loose.

I'm over in Volusia county spaz what do yall hunt over there you got leases or private land?

I try to steals Spazhogdog hogs but her dogs try to bite me! Lol

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Don't steal the hogs just help me drag them out. And if you got a bay going hollar and I will dump out if I see it crossing the road. Lol

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