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Title: dogo/pit cross Post by: ArtHenrey on October 06, 2015, 03:20:55 pm I ended up with a pretty nice young dogo pit cross I plan on working with to replace my old catch dog. He's around 1-1/2 just about solid white. I'm in the process of gettin some groceries in him. He's caught one hog that I know of. Built really good. What's yalls opinion on the cross. Never had any dogo blood in my kennels. Always had a full blood pit, or pit cur cross.
Title: Re: dogo/pit cross Post by: labaconchaser on October 06, 2015, 07:01:17 pm Love mine he can run with rough curs all day or with loose dogs lead him in i started mine kinda early around 8 months but he took it like a champ n has been solid for me ever sinse
Title: Re: dogo/pit cross Post by: liefalwepon on October 08, 2015, 03:55:51 pm My buddy has one that is a top notch catch dog, really smart
Title: Re: dogo/pit cross Post by: ArtHenrey on October 09, 2015, 11:16:29 am Fingers crossed he turn out for me.
Title: Re: Post by: Fixitlouie on October 22, 2015, 08:06:43 am Another dogo hater...lol
Sent from my SAMSUNG-SGH-I337Z using Tapatalk Title: Re: dogo/pit cross Post by: Black Streak on October 22, 2015, 05:33:43 pm go beat your pit then go beat your dogo and tell me what happens You will get thrown in jail for two counts of animal cruelty lol Title: Re: dogo/pit cross Post by: Black Streak on October 22, 2015, 09:58:13 pm black streak would you be the one making the arrest? Lol, that's a big negative! Title: Re: dogo/pit cross Post by: TheRednose on October 22, 2015, 10:05:06 pm go beat your pit then go beat your dogo and tell me what happens You will get thrown in jail for two counts of animal cruelty lol hahahaha sounds about right. Art I have heard of people using them. Read that Amerigo BWD thread in the hog dog section that is about a group of people who have been breeding Dogo x American bulldog crosses for more than a few generations now and they love them. Good luck either way. Title: Re: dogo/pit cross Post by: TheRednose on October 23, 2015, 11:55:18 am they like the american bulldog part. anything mixed with dogo is half a dog hahahaha Man you have some real disdain for Dogos. Not poking fun at you but may I ask why you dislike them so much? Did you have a few that didn't work out? I have never had a Dogo though they do interest me. I think people just try to make them more than they are. But I have thought about getting one before but back then the prices were so high that I never did. Title: Re: dogo/pit cross Post by: Judge peel on October 23, 2015, 12:33:43 pm My friend has a few he says there good. But for me I like a straight pit for my heavy jaw dog
Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Title: Re: dogo/pit cross Post by: TheRednose on October 23, 2015, 02:49:25 pm if your going to get a dogo go through cali catchers. I have seen numerous dogos that either bay wont catch and the ones that do try to catch rebite instead of lock. they're soft. If you beat a bulldog they will be right back in 2 minutes you beat a dogo they'll be back in 2 days when they trust again. there is something in the breed that makes them not handle a good butt kicking. dogos are expensive to get shipped here. the culls that should have been culled are breeding due to the expense. 2 out of 10 dogos in the states do what theyre advertised to do. with that it costs $2500 to get a dogo here most people will not spend $25000 to get two good dogos so the culls get bred. Why do you think theyre getting crossed with bulldog? Now if you can get a true dogo that is the real deal you have the best RCD there is but are you willing to pay $10,000 to $20,000 to get a good one? shoot with that amount I can get 200 pits and everyone of them will do the job. No I have lost interest in Dogos since then. it was a while back I was looking around. But I do really like his dogs and live pretty close to him. I really like his Patterdales and some of his other dogs. Seems he really has a good thing going over there with his dogs. I like his standards for breeding. I was thinking of calling him and seeing what he has available. I have never met him but his dogs look good! Title: Re: Post by: Fixitlouie on October 23, 2015, 06:08:00 pm Blastin...where are you located?
Sent from my SAMSUNG-SGH-I337Z using Tapatalk Title: Re: dogo/pit cross Post by: RyanTBH on October 24, 2015, 10:41:52 am Isn't it illegal in CA to hunt hogs with dogs?
Title: Re: dogo/pit cross Post by: RyanTBH on October 24, 2015, 10:58:10 am if your going to get a dogo go through cali catchers. I have seen numerous dogos that either bay wont catch and the ones that do try to catch rebite instead of lock. they're soft. If you beat a bulldog they will be right back in 2 minutes you beat a dogo they'll be back in 2 days when they trust again. there is something in the breed that makes them not handle a good butt kicking. dogos are expensive to get shipped here. the culls that should have been culled are breeding due to the expense. 2 out of 10 dogos in the states do what theyre advertised to do. with that it costs $2500 to get a dogo here most people will not spend $25000 to get two good dogos so the culls get bred. Why do you think theyre getting crossed with bulldog? Now if you can get a true dogo that is the real deal you have the best RCD there is but are you willing to pay $10,000 to $20,000 to get a good one? shoot with that amount I can get 200 pits and everyone of them will do the job. You're pretty spot on here. It's a bit ridiculous here in the states with what the Dogo has become. A dog that once started out as the epitome of hog hunting overseas has been reduced to a pampered, pretty, sensitive washed out breed. But with that said, there are people who still breed and use working class Dogo. If you know the right people you can find them. I think I'm a little more concerned with the older lines of the Dogo. I've been in contact with some breeders overseas that have very stringent breeding programs, and they are being reasonable. When I do decide to bring back in a little Dogo to our crosses it will be from an outside source. I will have to defend our crosses a little bit though 44mag, I have more than a handful of these Amerigo that I've hunted behind, and they ain't no punks! My PJ girl isn't phased by much... So to say our dogs are half a dog cause they have roots that originate from half Dogo and half AB is pretty much wrong. We have gotten all he way down to the 6gen on that bloodline, and everything seems to be going as planned. Sorry someone or some dog burnt you out on the breed... I can't comment on owning a full Dogo because none of my white dogs are full Dogo. But I do like our Amerigo very much. Good luck, and happy hunting. Title: Re: dogo/pit cross Post by: RyanTBH on October 24, 2015, 10:59:06 am I ended up with a pretty nice young dogo pit cross I plan on working with to replace my old catch dog. He's around 1-1/2 just about solid white. I'm in the process of gettin some groceries in him. He's caught one hog that I know of. Built really good. What's yalls opinion on the cross. Never had any dogo blood in my kennels. Always had a full blood pit, or pit cur cross. do u have pics of your dog? Would like to see it. Good luck!Title: Re: dogo/pit cross Post by: liefalwepon on October 24, 2015, 11:59:30 am Isn't it illegal in CA to hunt hogs with dogs? its illegal to hunt bear and mountain lion with dogs in cali, but we can still hunt hogs we are aloud 3 dogs per hunter and we cant use trackers Title: Re: dogo/pit cross Post by: Reuben on October 24, 2015, 12:04:05 pm Isn't it illegal in CA to hunt hogs with dogs? its illegal to hunt bear and mountain lion with dogs in cali, but we can still hunt hogs we are aloud 3 dogs per hunter and we cant use trackers no trackers...that is messed up... >:( What about locators? ;) Title: Re: dogo/pit cross Post by: ArtHenrey on October 24, 2015, 01:53:07 pm Hey ryan , I'll load pics later on. I'm Art at one point in time Blake offerd kid to me. I couldn't come with the cash. I just started a young family and money got so tight. Yall understand. But man I sure kicked myself for awhile!!! Still am!! I've been studying there dogs and fell in love. Just out my price range. But man ol man! This dog I have I Cleary see what you mean blastin, by gettin on to him he gets his feeling hurt pretty quick. Takes some time to warm up to me again. But he'll learn I hope to stop his aggression tward my other male. I'm at work can't conversate a lot will catch back up later. Thanks guys
Title: Re: dogo/pit cross Post by: TheRednose on October 24, 2015, 02:02:40 pm Isn't it illegal in CA to hunt hogs with dogs? its illegal to hunt bear and mountain lion with dogs in cali, but we can still hunt hogs we are aloud 3 dogs per hunter and we cant use trackers no trackers...that is messed up... >:( What about locators? ;) Well actually we can use trackers just not GPS based ones. Radio trackers are allowed as far as I know. Regardless probably the dumbest of all of the dog hunting rules we have here. I think part of hunting your dogs responsibly is being able to track your dogs to make sure they are where they are suppose to be for their safety and the safety of others. But why do what makes sense!!! I would like to see a pic of your dogo/pit cross too Art if you have one. I like where the folks with the BWD's are going with there's. If they keep breeding for only function they are going to have some jam up dogs, I mean I am sure they already do but they will keep producing more and probably at higher percentages. Keep up the good work. Title: Re: Post by: Fixitlouie on October 24, 2015, 06:31:57 pm As a dogo owner I've had two and only hunted being two. One was mine. Not shure what kind of dogos you been around but I think the ones I've been around were good. Here a lot of hatters... and the ones that hate put ALL Dogos in the same pot.. Never seen or even heard of a dogo cost more that 2500.00.hell I didn't pay that from mine and he'd from top shelf stock
The next dogo I get is getting shipped in from across the pond. Don't like American breeders or Argentina. But you still are talking about a catch dog not a RCD. Then you are comparing what dog take a better beating?? Haha that's kind of a joke on your part.. Dogos are breed to be sensitive. The person who sold you a dogo should have told you that.....honestly from all your complaints it looks like YOU got sold a cull... now instead of taking responsibility you are throwing all dogo under the bus.. I agree with a lot of people on their reasons.. I personally think that at 100 lbs there just a tad too big for some places I hunt. but I have had some good times and met cool people because of my dog.. and that is worth defending him.. The people and places .. right its what's having a good time is all about Sent from my SAMSUNG-SGH-I337Z using Tapatalk Title: Re: dogo/pit cross Post by: TheRednose on October 24, 2015, 06:56:51 pm Hey Louie you say you don't like them from U.S. or Argentina and that you are looking to bring one in from across the pond may I ask where that would be, some where in Europe? Just curious as I had always thought the best came from Argentina.
Title: Re: dogo/pit cross Post by: Semmes on October 24, 2015, 09:12:33 pm Some things just stick in your gut...ya know.
Instead of trashing someone's thread I'll post here because it fits and this thread is already on a downward spiral. Quote Semmes- reading back on some of Your other questions. about being "game" and "hot" If these dogs were "hot" I would Cull, I cant stand a dog that will get that way when in woods and need them to focus, the cur dogs get pissy, and need Your Bull to be level headed. My Pits I have had and all bull types have to be trustworthy around chickens cattle, and anythings on a farm environment. I believe that was original job to serve humans as a helper and be smart enough to do as needed. I think they should be bred that way again and wouldn't have so many issues I believe bulldogs at around a year old should have to be taught what not to mess with and anything else is far game... They are bulldogs...they are bred assassins and well should be. The if not killing this or that is not natural to them by definition and these things can be trained and focused but I was referring to a pup previous and a pup with these drives suits me just fine when talkin bulldogs. I feel young bulldogs or bullbreeds that without guidance take it upon themselves to police and dominate their environment hold the true original temperament but by the same token should be able to curb and focus their aggression thru guidance. That is when you sort by a cull factor... Quote This is not for everyone, but when Your ass in a bind, this dog can choose to let go of one hog and come after the hog that's got Your ass down or a bull, or whatever is problematic, not just chase off what is running because prey drive has kicked in a tiny brain. Yes they have prey drive, but it does not always overload them as does a Pit or many ABs. Some Dogos are too smart making them too soft and need a pack environment to finish a job, This sticks in my mind as well... There are and have been many pits and abs that perform this function easily without dogo to add 'brain size' lol. They are documented in the news quite frequently and have much more of a track record in those areas over dogos. And this little gem sticks with me as well... Quote reaches under my hens nesting and grabs snakes, and wont steal eggs or bother a bird, has enough sense to know what belongs and what don't belong and what is okay to kill and not. To me, not owning chickens, a bulldog if mine would probably kill the chicken first, then eat the egg and that would be perfectly acceptable and expected in my world. If I owned chickens it probably wouldn't and I would expect they should be able to be trained, focused (tho begrudgingly) away from that behavior. But I would also expect by natural instinct, or 'sense', they'd leave the snake alone.... Instinctively, with the exception of some suicidal terroir breeds... And finally this: Quote As Far as health....The lack of physical limitations and the speed, I don't find necessary to do PennHip or OFA testing on these, like I do with My Catahoulas. Soundness in very important, as with every aspect in breeding dogs, Funny statement?!? The working bred catahoula sorts it's self by health and hips over generations. They are expected to put down myltuple miles when dogging. The two breeds referenced above when used as lead in dogs are expected to maybe do a 200yd run. And both breeds are inherently riddled with displaysia. Just some statements I found kinda weird... Title: Re: dogo/pit cross Post by: Semmes on October 24, 2015, 09:17:58 pm The last point was in reference to the ab and dogo breeds and hips.
Of course the pit (gamebred dogs) had a similar path as the catahoula as in performance criteria. Title: Re: dogo/pit cross Post by: Semmes on October 24, 2015, 09:53:35 pm For the record...where I'm coming from and where I've gravitated to, is from the ab/pit point of view which I believe represents more of the original, historical 'butchers dog' type temperment then the crosses of dogo/pit or dogo/ab
Title: Re: Post by: Fixitlouie on October 25, 2015, 08:23:50 am Rednose.. I don't know anybody in Argentina so I'm just another buyer. The Dogo peeps after meeting them are clickish. I don't fit in I guess.lol there is a lady in mother Russia who keeps the data base for dogo worldwide...I'm going through her to find one.. A lot of people don't know number 2 but think thay do in regards to what kennel brand is better, ohh mine are from argentina, mine hunt..blabla.. After talking to her she knows her number 2.. I have a nephew who speaks Russian so that helps..
Sent from my SAMSUNG-SGH-I337Z using Tapatalk Title: Re: Post by: Fixitlouie on October 25, 2015, 08:29:21 am Blastin. . That is my point. I got a dogo as a pet. He turned out to be a good catch dog for a few years. I did not buy him as a catch dog. I did not know this world of hog dogs. You are buying catch dogs for that intended purpose.
Sent from my SAMSUNG-SGH-I337Z using Tapatalk Title: Re: dogo/pit cross Post by: Reuben on October 25, 2015, 09:08:35 am Louie...if there aren't any breeders in America that raise a high percentage of Dogo catch dogs then there is something wrong with the breed as catch dogs...a catch dog is a dog that goes in with the intent to catch no matter what...he is not hot and cold...catching because the cur dogs are on the verge of catching or because it is a sow or shoat...when he faces a big bad boar alone he should every time in those situations...some folks don't understand that and that is probably one reason why it is this way in this breed...the videos I have seen from other countries are of Dogos that were not catch dogs but mainly catchy bay dogs...it takes a very brave dog to be an honest catch dog...
From your past posts I can see you like the exotic breeds which is great...the problem with those exotic breeds are there...it is hard to find what you are looking for on account not many are used for what the intentions were and very few kennels to select from... I am willing to bet there are a few breeders in America who produce what you want... Title: Re: Post by: Fixitlouie on October 25, 2015, 09:45:24 am I'm shure there are. . I just want something that no one else has. To me that important. Total outside sources. My dogo now is ken to A LOT of good dogos.. His dad is EX. Now that dog has the life. Lol I wish I could go all over the state spreading my seed...but not the child support.
Sent from my SAMSUNG-SGH-I337Z using Tapatalk Title: Re: Post by: Fixitlouie on October 25, 2015, 09:51:35 am Also there not supposed to be catch dogs. But rather RCD that can also catch, hunt, guard the home and defend their respective family to the death if necessary. .. and I would agree that 10% do that or at least still have the ability to do that. When or if I find one that does then I'll breed him and make my own line of dogs out of hound, cur, cat, mastiff, wolf, yote.....
Sent from my SAMSUNG-SGH-I337Z using Tapatalk Title: Re: Post by: Reuben on October 25, 2015, 10:07:01 am Also there not supposed to be catch dogs. But rather RCD that can also catch, hunt, guard the home and defend their respective family to the death if necessary. .. and I would agree that 10% do that or at least still have the ability to do that. When or if I find one that does then I'll breed him and make my own line of dogs out of hound, cur, cat, mastiff, wolf, yote..... Ok...the thing to do is breed the white out of them...lol I knew you liked different...I am sort of that way...it's a tough row to hoe... Sent from my SAMSUNG-SGH-I337Z using Tapatalk Title: Re: dogo/pit cross Post by: RyanTBH on October 26, 2015, 01:17:11 pm How many dogs do you own 44mag?
Title: Re: dogo/pit cross Post by: Hutch33 on October 26, 2015, 01:31:23 pm There are working lines of dogos being bred in America. They're expense and take longer to mature than the average pit, so owning a dogo is like an investment. They were bred to be sensitive to their family and be docile in the home. They are a contradiction. But I do believe that the "show lines" and "working lines" of dogo are becoming two very different type of dogs. The desired look for the dogo in the show world is ruining them for what is needed in the woods.
Ok...the thing to do is breed the white out of them...lol [/quote]X2 Title: Re: dogo/pit cross Post by: ArtHenrey on October 26, 2015, 04:20:47 pm (http://i1113.photobucket.com/albums/k509/av_twister09/Mobile%20Uploads/Screenshot_2015-10-26-16-13-20_zpsxzb2un3i.png) (http://s1113.photobucket.com/user/av_twister09/media/Mobile%20Uploads/Screenshot_2015-10-26-16-13-20_zpsxzb2un3i.png.html)
This is him Title: Re: dogo/pit cross Post by: ArtHenrey on October 26, 2015, 07:12:10 pm Thanks! He's seen two hog's, first he wanted damn bad second I let him on it. He loved it!! Just got to keep him moving forward and see what he's got. But so far I think I'm liking him
Title: Re: dogo/pit cross Post by: ArtHenrey on October 26, 2015, 07:14:30 pm He said to be dogo/pit cross. Do you guys see it?? I'm not to familiar like I said before with the dogo.
Title: Re: dogo/pit cross Post by: TheRednose on October 26, 2015, 07:55:42 pm He said to be dogo/pit cross. Do you guys see it?? I'm not to familiar like I said before with the dogo. Yeah I definitely see it. Obviously the color, but also notice the leg he has, and you can also see the dogo in the face. Very nice looking dog Art, I hope he ends up working out for you. Title: Re: dogo/pit cross Post by: ArtHenrey on October 26, 2015, 08:30:34 pm Appriciate it rednose, he will get his fair shot around here that's for sure!
Title: Re: dogo/pit cross Post by: Reuben on October 26, 2015, 08:54:56 pm He said to be dogo/pit cross. Do you guys see it?? I'm not to familiar like I said before with the dogo. Yeah I definitely see it. Obviously the color, but also notice the leg he has, and you can also see the dogo in the face. Very nice looking dog Art, I hope he ends up working out for you. x2...he should fill out a little more as well... Title: Re: dogo/pit cross Post by: make-em-squeel on October 26, 2015, 08:56:03 pm theyre good because of the pit part. the dogo side is straight junk based off this statement you are a moron, ive got a straight dogo (and most all of her line) that anyone who knows what a cd should be like will respect. that said their are plenty bad in the breed, but despite what your limited experience has seen, it doesnt excuse your false blanket statement. I love pits and ABs too but your limited knowledge should not be taken as a fact, b/c ill show you otherwise ;) Title: Re: dogo/pit cross Post by: make-em-squeel on October 26, 2015, 08:57:20 pm Nice looking dog. Reminds me of the old pits before all the bully crap. Not going to mention who's the blame for that. Amen, most folks now days dont know what a real pit looks like!Title: Re: dogo/pit cross Post by: make-em-squeel on October 26, 2015, 09:02:04 pm There are working lines of dogos being bred in America. They're expense and take longer to mature than the average pit, so owning a dogo is like an investment. They were bred to be sensitive to their family and be docile in the home. They are a contradiction. But I do believe that the "show lines" and "working lines" of dogo are becoming two very different type of dogs. The desired look for the dogo in the show world is ruining them for what is needed in the woods. X2Ok...the thing to do is breed the white out of them...lol [/quote] mine are from ppc, and most are catching b/w 3-6 mo, its the only line ive owned the past 7 years since culling a few but they start early and are hard. this late starting crap is not except-able imo. if they start late why not use a scott bred ab? mine are not in the woods at that age but once their puppy teeth set and their athletic enough they are typically in the woods by 10-13 months Title: Re: dogo/pit cross Post by: make-em-squeel on October 26, 2015, 09:05:25 pm There are working lines of dogos being bred in America. They're expense and take longer to mature than the average pit, so owning a dogo is like an investment. They were bred to be sensitive to their family and be docile in the home. They are a contradiction. But I do believe that the "show lines" and "working lines" of dogo are becoming two very different type of dogs. The desired look for the dogo in the show world is ruining them for what is needed in the woods. X2Ok...the thing to do is breed the white out of them...lol and yes ... why do they have to be white?? that never helps any breed, horse etc! mine are from ppc, and most are catching b/w 3-6 mo, its the only line ive owned the past 7 years since culling a few but they start early and are hard. this late starting crap is not except-able imo. if they start late why not use a scott bred ab? mine are not in the woods at that age but once their puppy teeth set and their athletic enough they are typically in the woods by 10-13 months [/quote] Title: Re: dogo/pit cross Post by: ArtHenrey on October 26, 2015, 09:21:54 pm Yah he's still filling out. He was pretty drawn up when I got him. Trying my best
Title: Re: dogo/pit cross Post by: TheRednose on October 27, 2015, 12:26:22 am There are working lines of dogos being bred in America. They're expense and take longer to mature than the average pit, so owning a dogo is like an investment. They were bred to be sensitive to their family and be docile in the home. They are a contradiction. But I do believe that the "show lines" and "working lines" of dogo are becoming two very different type of dogs. The desired look for the dogo in the show world is ruining them for what is needed in the woods. X2Ok...the thing to do is breed the white out of them...lol mine are from ppc, and most are catching b/w 3-6 mo, its the only line ive owned the past 7 years since culling a few but they start early and are hard. this late starting crap is not except-able imo. if they start late why not use a scott bred ab? mine are not in the woods at that age but once their puppy teeth set and their athletic enough they are typically in the woods by 10-13 months [/quote] I'm not a Dogo guy so may I ask what PPC is? Also do you have any pics of yours that you would not mind posting. I think they are some fine looking dogs. Appriciate it rednose, he will get his fair shot around here that's for sure! Well he sounds like he is on the right track Art. Keep us updated on his progress, I am interested to see how he works for you. Title: Re: dogo/pit cross Post by: RyanTBH on October 27, 2015, 08:07:04 am (http://i1113.photobucket.com/albums/k509/av_twister09/Mobile%20Uploads/Screenshot_2015-10-26-16-13-20_zpsxzb2un3i.png) (http://s1113.photobucket.com/user/av_twister09/media/Mobile%20Uploads/Screenshot_2015-10-26-16-13-20_zpsxzb2un3i.png.html) Good looking dog bud! Good luck! There are so many haters of every breed out there it's ridiculous! If you like the dog, he does his job, and you're fine with the way he is then don't worry about what anyone else thinks... Hunt the pads off of him and do work! This is him So, 44mag, how many pure bred Dogos have you owned, raised, trained, and hunted behind? Your statement must be backed by some knowledge or experience... I'd like to hear it honestly. Title: Re: dogo/pit cross Post by: RyanTBH on October 27, 2015, 08:11:00 am theyre good because of the pit part. the dogo side is straight junk based off this statement you are a moron, ive got a straight dogo (and most all of her line) that anyone who knows what a cd should be like will respect. that said their are plenty bad in the breed, but despite what your limited experience has seen, it doesnt excuse your false blanket statement. I love pits and ABs too but your limited knowledge should not be taken as a fact, b/c ill show you otherwise ;) Title: Re: dogo/pit cross Post by: ArtHenrey on October 27, 2015, 08:48:12 am I'll keep you guys posted. I know that so many people have there own opinions and breed they like and dislike. I'm not gunna get upset and try in change someone's opininion. He'll for the longest time, I've wanted a dogo. I'm excited to have half of one! :) I don't let opinion bother me much. I've stayed out of alot of trouble that'd way!
Title: Re: dogo/pit cross Post by: ArtHenrey on October 27, 2015, 10:37:34 am Took the wife and little girls to the movies the other day. You know how much a bucket of that damn popcorn is!!?
Title: Re: dogo/pit cross Post by: Hutch33 on October 27, 2015, 10:45:47 am There are working lines of dogos being bred in America. They're expense and take longer to mature than the average pit, so owning a dogo is like an investment. They were bred to be sensitive to their family and be docile in the home. They are a contradiction. But I do believe that the "show lines" and "working lines" of dogo are becoming two very different type of dogs. The desired look for the dogo in the show world is ruining them for what is needed in the woods. X2Ok...the thing to do is breed the white out of them...lol and yes ... why do they have to be white?? that never helps any breed, horse etc! mine are from ppc, and most are catching b/w 3-6 mo, its the only line ive owned the past 7 years since culling a few but they start early and are hard. this late starting crap is not except-able imo. if they start late why not use a scott bred ab? mine are not in the woods at that age but once their puppy teeth set and their athletic enough they are typically in the woods by 10-13 months I did not mean late starting, but physically mature. I had my female dogo in the woods at 4-5 months. Training starts when they can keep up. But dogos go through an awkward stage longer than most breeds imo. But I do agree with the coat color, or at least allowing more than 10% on the head. Title: Re: dogo/pit cross Post by: Hutch33 on October 27, 2015, 10:46:39 am He said to be dogo/pit cross. Do you guys see it?? I'm not to familiar like I said before with the dogo. Nice looking dog, definitely see dogo in him. Title: Re: dogo/pit cross Post by: DavidTBH on October 27, 2015, 11:08:07 am That dogo/ pit looks good. Reminds me of an old school ab i have.
Title: Re: dogo/pit cross Post by: ArtHenrey on October 27, 2015, 12:29:16 pm Thanks
Title: Re: dogo/pit cross Post by: Judge peel on October 27, 2015, 12:50:32 pm Nice looking dog art
Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Title: Re: dogo/pit cross Post by: make-em-squeel on October 27, 2015, 01:45:18 pm There are working lines of dogos being bred in America. They're expense and take longer to mature than the average pit, so owning a dogo is like an investment. They were bred to be sensitive to their family and be docile in the home. They are a contradiction. But I do believe that the "show lines" and "working lines" of dogo are becoming two very different type of dogs. The desired look for the dogo in the show world is ruining them for what is needed in the woods. X2Ok...the thing to do is breed the white out of them...lol I dont sell any dogos, we have sold a few as pets and given most away to hunters for future breeding and using reasons. PPC is the kennel myself and a few others bought from, liked what we got (start early, hard, prey drive, athletic etc) and bc we are using them as cds and dont want to buy another one every time we need one, bred them and the pups have been very consistent with what we wanted. Ive stayed in touch with about 7 or 8 litters, have been a few culls of coarse but had a very high turn out compared to the other dogo kennels i had tried in the past. The PPC kennels quit breeding dogos bc Denmark outlawed them but their are still a few folks around who have the blood that I breed to when needed (for my personal or friends use). mine are from ppc, and most are catching b/w 3-6 mo, its the only line ive owned the past 7 years since culling a few but they start early and are hard. this late starting crap is not except-able imo. if they start late why not use a scott bred ab? mine are not in the woods at that age but once their puppy teeth set and their athletic enough they are typically in the woods by 10-13 months I'm not a Dogo guy so may I ask what PPC is? Also do you have any pics of yours that you would not mind posting. I think they are some fine looking dogs. Appriciate it rednose, he will get his fair shot around here that's for sure! Well he sounds like he is on the right track Art. Keep us updated on his progress, I am interested to see how he works for you. [/quote] I cant say their worth the extra money but what ive liked about them compared to other cds ive used, is vs the pits that are as athletic as the dogo with as good endurance generally are much smaller loosing the anchor. They hold clean and dont die if bay breaks etc, Compared to the AB's ive raised and love the dogos were just easier pets as far as being stubborn digging chewing around the yard. thats just generally talking of coarse and i truly like them all ... the worst thing about them imo is its hard to find good breeders that are in it for the reasons most hunters are, and when i tried to go cheap they had skin problems ie curse of the white dog Title: Re: dogo/pit cross Post by: make-em-squeel on October 27, 2015, 01:46:12 pm for what its worth i liked the dogo/ab cross better than the dogo/pit cross
obviously scott bred ab Title: Re: dogo/pit cross Post by: make-em-squeel on October 27, 2015, 01:47:35 pm PPC is a kennel that sold good dogos, they are no longer in business i dont believe
Title: Re: dogo/pit cross Post by: Hutch33 on October 27, 2015, 01:51:07 pm PPC is a kennel that sold good dogos, they are no longer in business i dont believe Mind me asking what bloodlines? Title: Re: Post by: Fixitlouie on October 27, 2015, 02:47:29 pm Good entertainment in this post
Sent from my SAMSUNG-SGH-I337Z using Tapatalk Title: Re: dogo/pit cross Post by: redriverslim on October 27, 2015, 08:03:37 pm Any dog that catches good and solid is a good dog, regardless of breed. I've had catch dogs for 25 years. One man's good catch dog is another man's average dog, is another man's junk. Have never had a straight dogo, but have had 2 dogo/pit crosses and they were both REAL GOOD. Have had a few AB's that were good catch dogs and several that were NOT. One of the best catch dogs I ever saw was a registered Catahoula. I had the FBMCO registered dog named "Benson's Clyde". He would catch and hold any hog. It really just comes down to how much you want to spend, what do you expect, how big do you like, what problems can you put up with, lead-in vs RCD, etc. etc. etc. If I had to pick only one breed, it would be pit because they consistently make the best catch dogs in the highest percentages. But there are guys with dogos that are consistently good, and AB's that are consistently good. The real debate shouldn't be over what breed is best . . . but what breeder culls the hardest, because there are superstars and garbage in all breeds. I agree that dogos would be an expensive route to take just to get lead-in catch dogs, but for RCD's I guess they are great. But all pits do not make good catch dogs. Primary example would be REAL GAME BRED PITS. They often DO NOT make good catch dogs because they want to fight a hog instead of just catch it and hold it, and they want to fight the cur dogs at the bay. But most pits at the pound are NOT high dollar prized game bred pits, so YES pits from the pound more times than not . . do work out. So there is truth in several statements made on this topic.
Title: Re: dogo/pit cross Post by: l.h.cracker on October 27, 2015, 09:06:48 pm Good looking dog hope he suits you well.
Title: Re: dogo/pit cross Post by: ArtHenrey on October 27, 2015, 10:14:29 pm You know, time again and again I've read your negative one the dogo breed. Just so you know, I've had plenty pits. Seen some bay there ass off in tight spots. Most the ones I've crossed were from the pound. I think out of the plenty I've had, started and used. The only one true one i have had is still sitting outside till this day. I can hear him barking now actually. Ive seen good in the bad in the pits, I've seen my fair share of pits sold that were "strait ear no regrip" but they forgot to list the first 10 barks before that other dog catches. Am I curious that this dog makes somthing. You're damn right!
Title: Re: dogo/pit cross Post by: Ctown08 on October 27, 2015, 11:49:54 pm The dogo i have hunted behind is a beast of a cd hard to beat. And would leg a rhino behind her.
Title: Re: dogo/pit cross Post by: RyanTBH on October 28, 2015, 09:16:06 am Like I said never owned one. Hunted next to them about 4 times and that was enough. They're 90 pound bay dogs. Maybe 2 out of 10 do as advertised. 10 out of 10 pits make catch dogs. This dog is a beautiful dog but was crossed with pit for a reason. You bring your best dogo and I'll go to the pound and get a pit that's never seen a hog and we'll see who pops the popcorn. so you're making all this noise about Dogos, but yet, you've not bred and raised any, you've not trained any, and you've only hunted behind 4??? So that gives you what justification to judge the breed in its entirety in a bad light? I have a cur dog I've seen catch better than some pits... Maybe it's just me, but I take a lot of pride in my dogs and I'd much rather breed, raise, train, and hunt dogs that I know where they come from and out of rather than go get some unknown dog from the pound to take to the woods. I trust my dogs... I will go into battle with my dogs, strike or CD... They are there to put their life on the line for me, and I for them. Period... You're more entitled to your opinion and to do whatever you want, but there isn't any sense in getting on here bashing an entire breed... JMOTitle: Re: dogo/pit cross Post by: redriverslim on October 28, 2015, 09:57:40 am To further complicate matters: We would need to know what most folks think the actual definition of a "Pit" would be ????
1) Just any old 60-80 lb. "non-game bred" garden variety pitbull would fit the definition of a "pit". Example: Watchdog, Razors Egde, Camelot bred stuff. Typical blues, blue brindles, big red nosed stuff, etc. These usually make good catch dogs because they are gamey enough to catch and hold, but not so game that they want to fight everything. Usually well tempered and have functional intelligence. 2) The extreme "bully" type would also fit the definition of a "pit". Usually too low to the ground, can't breath, bow legged, no drive, etc. Don't make good catch dogs for obvious reasons. 3) Mixed bulldog breeds that look like pits would also fit the definition of a "pit" to most people. This could be a dogo/pit, AB/pit, even maybe a real bully, boxy headed yellow cur that had been crossed with a pit, could still look like a straight pit. Could also make a good catch dog but be wrongly called a straight "pit". 4) True Game-Bred pits would definitely fit the definition of a "pit", and would actually be the only TRUE pitbull terrier if you want to get technical. After all, the word "pit" is in the name American Pitbull Terrier for a reason and these are the only true pitbulls. All others are watered down versions or "representatives" of what the dog was originally bred for, which was to fight in a "pit". The true "pitbull" dos not usually make a good catch dog because they can't be socialized to coexist with the baydogs, and they usually do not catch and hold, but rather they let go of a solid ear hold and choose to fight the hog to kill it instead of hold it. All 4 of these examples would be considered "pits" . . . just depends on who you're asking? I've probably owned a minimum of 500 "pits", and I couldn't even say for sure if a saw a dog from the pound that looked like a pit, if it was in fact a 100% pitbull, especially if it looked the part. So it begs the question . . . . WHAT IS A PIT ? Depends on who you're asking. Title: Re: dogo/pit cross Post by: redriverslim on October 28, 2015, 10:10:40 am Also . . . the true game bred pit is usually somewhere between 30 lbs. - 50 lbs., with the vast majority being somewhere between 35 - 45 lbs. Extremes to both sides would be dogs in the 28-29 lb. range "or" dogs that go over 50 lbs. But probably the bulk of game dogs are going to be 45 lbs. and under. So I find it kinda ironic that the only true "pitbulls" are usually too small and have too many disadvantages to be the best catch dogs. A better term that hog hunters might use when referring to pitbulls used primarily for catch work, would be the term "cur-bred" pits.
Title: Re: dogo/pit cross Post by: RyanTBH on October 28, 2015, 12:14:51 pm Lol you're missing my point completely... So this is where I bow out. Not here to try to convince you of anything other than you have no basis for what you're talking about. Good luck with that... Happy hunting folks, and Art, sorry for crashing your thread bud. Good luck with the dog. Good lookin for sure. Keep us updated on his progress. Over and out.
Title: Re: Post by: Fixitlouie on October 28, 2015, 02:40:47 pm I think it's more of a money issue not what dog is better.. yes maby a corolla is more reliable than a viper. But if I had to choose I would drive the viper any day over a dam corolla.. but that's why I have a dogo AND a pit but hunt behind the dogo...and dam if I don't look good doing it
Sent from my SAMSUNG-SGH-I337Z using Tapatalk Title: Re: Post by: TheRednose on October 28, 2015, 10:41:20 pm I think it's more of a money issue not what dog is better.. yes maby a corolla is more reliable than a viper. But if I had to choose I would drive the viper any day over a dam corolla.. but that's why I have a dogo AND a pit but hunt behind the dogo...and dam if I don't look good doing it Sent from my SAMSUNG-SGH-I337Z using Tapatalk I don't think thats a fair comparison Louie. If a dogo is a viper then a American Pit Bull Terrier is like a professional monster truck lololol and when you breed them together you get super fast monster trucks hahahaha. No with all joking aside, I think the problem is they were bred for very different things and that is why you see all the crosses with Dogos like you do. One was bred for battle and one was bred to be a jack of all trades. I feel that is why you have some Dogos that will catch so well, and some that do other things better. I think if when crossed you get the best of both worlds you could get some world beaters for catch dogs. Kind of like the BWD breeders have done. I really like how they have approached the whole thing. Title: Re: Post by: Fixitlouie on October 29, 2015, 07:04:34 am Make perfect sense to me rednose.
Sent from my SAMSUNG-SGH-I337Z using Tapatalk Title: Re: dogo/pit cross Post by: RyanTBH on October 29, 2015, 09:31:31 am I think it's more of a money issue not what dog is better.. yes maby a corolla is more reliable than a viper. But if I had to choose I would drive the viper any day over a dam corolla.. but that's why I have a dogo AND a pit but hunt behind the dogo...and dam if I don't look good doing it Sent from my SAMSUNG-SGH-I337Z using Tapatalk I don't think thats a fair comparison Louie. If a dogo is a viper then a American Pit Bull Terrier is like a professional monster truck lololol and when you breed them together you get super fast monster trucks hahahaha. No with all joking aside, I think the problem is they were bred for very different things and that is why you see all the crosses with Dogos like you do. One was bred for battle and one was bred to be a jack of all trades. I feel that is why you have some Dogos that will catch so well, and some that do other things better. I think if when crossed you get the best of both worlds you could get some world beaters for catch dogs. Kind of like the BWD breeders have done. I really like how they have approached the whole thing. |