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So... My Dogo got out and ran over to one of the other males bmc's on a chain. They were just posturing and doing their male dominance thing. Grit (the Dogo) wasn't fighting. Either was Juke the other male... So I'm yelling at Grit to come back and he doesn't but, again they aren't fighting yet. So I walked over there to grab grit and when I get  close Grit turned to walk away and Juke jumped him...  My question in that little story is... Do you think by walking over there I actually made the situation worse?it looked like I escalated it.  It was more like they were being possessive over me. Because they didn't fight or even growl until I went over there.

Sorry for being long winded but when my dogs do something "peculiar" I like to try to figure out what they were thinking and learn from it.

its a curious question, but to me it wouldnt matter because fighting is not allowed, posturing is not allowed either

Cur dogs are not bulldogs and usually (not always) would mount an attack when the larger or more dominate aggressor wasnt facing them. Same reason most would hit a hog in the hind end when they turn to run but bay when face on. ....again, not all, plenty of rough curs out there as well...

But the dogo(which owns a degree of bulldog) had the curs jewels when face up, but the cur pulled a curr move when it turned away.

I agree...best not to ever let them face up and posture tho no matter what the breeds or genders envolved are.

....not if you want them to hunt or coexist together ever. That kind bs never should be allowed to start. The box is now open for those two and it be hard to get jack back in the box.

I'm not a big fan of letn dogs have free range over the yard esp intact male bulldogs and intact male curs unless I got a old b!tch bulldog I trust all right but wouldn't if I had a sassy young cur gyp cause even then I would expect all bets to be off.

I would also add that alot of times in hunting situations these issues won't show up in dogs because they are at the task at hand and there are not bored, chain spot, territorial issues at play. But if it does progress to getn out of hand on the yard then it normally escalates and follows that it progresses to going south even in a hunting situation.

It's more of a question about how dogs interact. Males, females, bay dogs, Bulldogs, they all posture. All posturing is, is non verbal communication. Just trying to learn some people's views on what that non verbal communication was.
Thanks Semmes for the input.

From my experience it's no different then people. When they stiffen up heads high nether is willing to give in. Lowering of the and turning the body means I will give you respect but back off. Then it goes from there you can almost all ways tell by the head movement what the dog is going to do. Head that is face the other striaght means you best not look at me lol. Most dogs that cause the fight aren't the alpha


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Posturing is just dogs telling each other I'll kick your ass and no I'll kick your ass....most of the times one concedes...

On hunts it's usually because they got better things to do.

But at home on chain spots or if one is chained it is even somewhat magnified because that one knows they have no escape if it escalates do feel cornered.

Just my 2 cents

I didn't read everyone elses responses so somebody might have already said it, but to me this is simple. So what triggered the fight was your energy. I say this cause they weren't fighting till you went running over there to keep them from fighting, so your energy was probably pretty concerned, maybe worried or nervous and high, so though the other dog was starting to walk away the cur picked up on your really high energy and jumped on old grit. I say this cause they were only posturing and one dog was about to walk away till you went running over there. Just my two cents from my experience.

In the end.....you need to establish yourself as the dominant one.

Put a stick across both of their rears when the start that mess and next time you won't have to walk over there. If that doesn't work.....try the stick between their ears.

x2 if sticks don't work pick the dog up over your head and drive to the ground when you pick a dog up over your head they understand really quickly that you're dominant. I don't tolerate aggressive behavior whatsoever nip it in the bud the instance it happens or you'll regret it later and both dogs not just the one who started the fight.

Rednose, I appreciate it. I was thinking along the same lines. That was very well put.

I also agree and don't let dogs get away with dog aggression and both dogs were disciplined (which is usually a non issue because I run the alpha system so when the dogs are collared I can stop the situation before it escalates) but the dog squeezed by me out of the kennel so he wasn't collared. I don't ever let a dog run around unless he's collared.... Just a dumb mistake on my part.

here is how I see it...the Dogo gets out and makes a line straight to the cur dog and they bow up to each other...chances are they would have backed off of each other...

my thinking is that you focused your energy on the dogo because you thought he might really hurt the cur dog because of his size and his big hard bite...the cur dogs translation of your behavior was that you were scolding the dogo and so he was going to help you punish the dogo...you were just making sure the dogo wasn't going to latch on to the cur dog because of the damage the dogo could inflict...

also...it happens on a regular basis when two dogs get in a fight the other dogs will jump on the dog that is getting the worst of it...

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Yup you were right, it was simply your energy. Tension was already high and when they felt your real high nervous energy bam there it went, your energy was the spark. Wrong energy will cause a kick up. hahaha


It is true when one fight starts, it will cause other dogs that are near to grab up any dog that is near them. It can be the one getting the worst of it that def is common, but a lot of the times it is just whatever is closest to them. I've seen it happen a couple of times on my buddies yard with his dogs. He has about six or seven dogs that all run loose together, when one fight breaks out if he doesn't handle it quick it will spread like wildfire and turn into a full on rumble lol.

I let my dogs out daily for exercise and have for many years...most of my males tend to be powerful alpha type dogs...When I have a gyp in heat I am watchful and alert at all times and constantly have to be talking to the dogs to make them behave...

when a gyp is not in heat I am still watchful and don't leave the yard until the dogs are put up...

If I have a pitbull I will be watching as close as when a gyp is in heat...those will for sure grab where they can reach...also will have 2 leashes available on account a good cur/pitbull fight is hard to break up...

Yeah Reuben your right on the money, I like the way you put that too. Dogs will definitely jump in for a cheap shot on another dog when they are down and that very possibly is what escalated it. Along with the tension and energy I brought to the situation.

On the bright side every day since I've been working with the Dogo on a forced "hear" so that if something like this happens again I have enough handle on him that he comes right back. It's really crazy what ten minutes a few days in a row will do. These damn dogs are smart. They respond really well if you just give them some time and act like you know what you are doing hahaha.

I'm having an issue with my two males now. I have a bitch in heat and all is lost.  Chuy my Dogo who has been alpha is now getting tested by preacher my wife's presa. These are two Very strong beast.. I usually feed all together but now I cant. Thay locked on each other and schedule 40 over head didn't do number 2 but break pvc. It kina scared me cuz I know what Chuy is capable of and preacher is bigger, stronger and younger..it looks like cattle prod or stun gun time.. ultimate I need to get the status of alpha reestablish via a 2000 volts to the nut sack of any dog that fights and won't stop when I step in and try to separate them. ... 

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Zap them nuts buddy

Blastin I got $5 on the dogo

Depending on the Presa's age, I'm going with my boy blastin on this one hahahaha

Fixit man this sounds like you are going to have your hands full with this one, those are two big powerful, and dominant breeds. You are really going to have to assert yourself. But I'm sure you will get it worked out, sounds like you already have the plan in place.

Trainwreck....