EAST TEXAS HOG DOGGERS FORUM

 i just heard they've killed 1 and arrested 8 .?

JDT, Im assuming you are referring to the feds killing and arresting the militia members. Am i correct in that assumption?

yeah said it was a rancher and he had his hands up and a state trooper shot him . wounded one of the bundy boys . it ain't even hardly on the news . if it had been a black rancher.........


 google oregon militia .

If it had been a black anything else it would be world wide news and that stupid chimp in the white house would be making a state of the union address for anti gun and anti law enforcement

if you google oregon militia the first linkcoming up claims that they were on their way to a peace solution meeting several miles away when they hit a roadblock .


i beleive from what  knowledge i have is that these are mostly ranchers and land owners that are tired of the feds trampling their rights .

 they turned away several fanatical militia groups so as not to be associated with them .

 now if it were a minority group or a bunch of tree huggers it would be a lot more press coverage .

 i can only imagine why obama would like to keep it as quiet as possible .


eat a snickers and don't get too upset charles .


     

your not yourself when your hungry!!!!


its a conspiracy

hell i aint upset just over this current tyrannical government forcefully imposing themselves upon the citizens. iv been pissed at them and the yellow so called americans for many years over that crap. snickers doesn't satisfy my hungers, but thanks for watching out for me. i did just eat me dinner, so ill be good till i get to work and find out the extent of damage they did to my acft today. it may be a long day fixing the pilots mess ups, or the acft broke on its own from sitting and not getting flow enough.


hell, im not myself even with a full stomach.  ;D

this ain't no conspiraCY , THIS IS THE REAL DEAL . there was one that got arrested at his home in az . when visiting his family and making sure his kids were o.k. etc/before going back to help in oregon !

depending the work load this wkend and if I'm able to fly or not, ill take a drive down that way and see if i can find any info. i don't turn the tv on much at the hotel, so i don't know what may or may not be reported on the local news.
not everything the feds do that some of the people in this country don't like is a conspiracy because others don't believe it can happen. not saying your right or wrong, just saying it may or may not be a conspiracy because its not being blasted over all the news channels and that supper chimp sitting in the white house aint screaming and flinging poo at the tv because it happened. he is probably sitting in front of the tv eating a nanner and drinking a beer to celebrate it happening

con·spir·a·cy
kənˈspirəsē/Submit
noun
noun: conspiracy; plural noun: conspiracies
a secret plan by a group to do something unlawful or harmful.
"a conspiracy to destroy the government"
synonyms:   plot, scheme, plan, machination, ploy, trick, ruse, subterfuge; informalracket
"a conspiracy to manipulate the results"
the action of plotting or conspiring.

Somebody is doing something unlawful  and manipulating the results of whats going on over there.

copy that. i miss understood your meanings without taking into account the def of the word.

I watched the movie SHOOTER yesterday an it made me think of what's going on in Oregon cause it my not be the government just somebody in the government making moves to position them for there personal gain.

That sucks, I wonder if the guy was even armed, I heard they made a decision to not be armed so it wouldn't turn into a firefight


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Where's" black lives matter"? Guess he was the wrong color, ok for lighter skinned to get shot up

Quanell X is on his way out there.

Lol

can somebody post the original post that was on here a few days ago ?

I looked for it and couldn't find it John.

It got removed thanks to me and blastin and me not being adult enough to just let him run his mouth. It might still be in the history, accessable by an admin only, might be able to pull it up, remove the immature posts and repost the original topic. Im sure if you contact one of the admins and ask nicely, he or she might put the topic back up. From here on out, ill just ignore the person/s who stir the pot just to stir it.
Sorry bout getting the topic deleted for ya jdt.

What post yall talking about

There was a post with a link to the full story on what was happening and some details.  A few folks was talking about it.

It's fixin to get interesting in Central Orygun. The Feds have locked it down and if you are in there you are going to be starved out or arrested when you leave. If you resist arrest you will be shot. These are the facts as they stand. Whether you believe in their cause and I have some sympathies for the original father and son as it was a dang prosecutor who used terrorist charges on them for burning weeds. The outsiders that came in to make it their cause are going to get a harsh lesson in dealing with the feds. I'm not saying the outsiders are wrong but they rubbed the feds noses in it but relabeling trucks from the refuge and using them and going thru all the files and archives has fired up a lot of folks. Anyone there now will face federal charges. Their are a lot of different agendas amongst the occupiers but it is not going to end well for them.

it was taken down sometime last week, or the weekend before. it was talk bout how this ordeal began up here and had several links to it talking bout the hammond ranch and neighboring ranches being there before ole' teddy r set aside "X" amount of acres for the wildlife reservation back in the early 1900s and how they had to see out one by one bc the feds did this or that, forcing them to sell off their cattle, then their land, then land got absorbed into the blm land. it also discussed the bundy ranch a bit and about forest fires and how the hammond's set several back fires at several different times on their land, and one got out onto blm land, which at that time, wasn't a big deal bc the forest fire that was started by a lightning strike had burned up to the back burn they had set and so on, then some yrs laters, the blm again wanted their and, they chose not move off and the feds charged the hammond's with 2 counts of arson and they served some time in jail, which was what they were sentenced to, then some big wig fed judge decided the sentence wasn't stiff enough and told them they had to return back to jail to serve even more time and that is when the bundy's and some of the "militia" leaders from the bundy stand off went to the hammond ranch area and started a stand off again.

WoW, pm me or email your address. i brought up that scope. depending what we have going on at work this wkend, ill run it up to you sat or sun or whatever day is convenient for you.
but back to the op, hopefully they don't back down to feds and it goes which ever way it goes for them and the possible ignition of the results of it. i do agree with the majority of what going on down there, but i DONT agree with them doing as you said, defacing the vehicles and rifling through the files and such. but they are fed up with the feds using bullying and terroristic tactics to get what they want from the citizens of this country and so are a lot of folks, just some don't or won't vocalize it in fear of retribution. if they have that kind of fear, then they are on the wrong side of things or sitting on the fence line wondering which way to jump. i figure if it does ignite the new spark, then it will game on.

do you do any yote hunting in the oregon area? if so, where would be a god place to go for that? i brought a couple fire sticks that need to be sighted in and got a bunch of ammo i need to expend and throat size the casings for reloading for my chamber.

According to some internet folks it was an ambush, over 200 shots fired into a couple vehicles and killed Lavoy finicum

much of what they are standing for is a BLM land grab, they are pressuring ranchers with mineral rich land to sell and then they are selling the mineral leases to foreign corporations. when the ranchers dont want to sell they harass them until they go broke or give up, etc. There are many ranchers in this struggle not just the bundys, hammons, and Lavoy finicum.
To fight back ranchers are attempting to use the constitution, which says the federal government cannot own more than 10% of the land in our republic, they currently own around 25%.

Im surprised some of you Texans arent more informed about this, there is a huge BLM land grab on the Red river, anyone heard about it?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8x-dhQb9SP4
here is the man that was murdered speaking about his struggles with the FEDs, he says after they take the grazing rights they will go after our hunting rights on public land

heres some info on the red river deal
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8x-dhQb9SP4

I watched the video from the airplane on the shooting and it appears to me that Lavoy wanted to go around the roadblock and the snow sucked him in and stalled him. He then got out and tried to run for the woods but there was an LEO stationed in the woods and the Lavoy turned and put his hands up. The video was from pretty far out so I couldn't see if he reached for his pocket like the LEO's say but it appears to me that he was shot in the back from the LEO in the woods. I wish I knew which danged sources that were believable, I would like to trust law enforcement but they have an agenda. I would like believe the protesters but they have an agenda also. I would like to believe in a balanced media but the days of Edward R. Murrow and Walter Cronkite are gone.

they had set out spike strips, it looks to me like he was approaching the rd block at a high speed on a blind corner, hit the spike strip and lost the ability to stop quickly, swerved to avoid the vehicles, hit the snow bank, came out of the vehicle with his hands up, got shot in the side, grabbed his wound and they unloaded on him, witnesses say over a hundred rounds were fired. looks like drone footage

Im thinking same also its not like anybody was gonna get away fast in all that snow especially an old man

can ya'll post that video ?


yeah the protesters have an agenda, they want the right to LIFE , LIBERTY , AND THE PURSUIT OF HAPPINESS !


 in other words they want to be left alone to make an honest living and pay their taxes , unlike some other groups i could mention .

Im in peoples house everyday  you be amazed how hard some people work to not work in take advantage of the system.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=INMGV4XDfDE
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UAy-3ZfZsgA

heres the FBI footage, its been edited, time rremoved. and here the witness account of the gal that was in the truck with Lavoy, the man who was killed

EXACTLY!!!!!!! LIFE, LIBERTY AND THE PURSUIT OF HAPPINESS!!!!!! with the tyrannical government, the liberties are fading, it seems some have their taken from them and pursuit of happiness, only if you NOT white or male, and US citizen. 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Aeeclad8G3E

just saw the local news they showed clive bundy and said he ordered the ones remaining to stay and keep up the protest , but didn't let you HEAR a damn word he spoke .

did ya'll know a couple of years ago obama by ex. decision signed into law indefinite detainment ? this means an american citizen can be jailed indefinately without due process or a jury trial .

and the federal judicial system says its ok for that? i guess the constitution has really been thrown down the chitter for real. but there is very little chumpy chimpo and his wife chunky chimpette do that doesn't comply with the constitution. i just really can't fathom that the justice system can and does deny american citizens the rights of due process.

just saw on the news the last ones surrendered . they also arrested clive bundy as he got off a plane in portland oregon on charges he was supposedly cleared of years ago . anybody know anything different ?

IF!!! He was cleared of those charges, then its another gov over reach and double jeopardy just like the hammond father n son, already served their established time but railroaded by the abusive big brother and the coorupt judicial branch.

yess !!! if he wasn't cleared why did they wait until now to arrest him ? he wasn't in hiding , he was at home taking care of his cattle . why did they wait several years to indite the hammonds on the backfires they set to save their home and pasture ? why did they let them out of prison and then drag them back in after an extended period ? why is it that the american public is not enraged about the whole ordeal ? is it because they are scared of the givernment ? is it because they are brainwashed to beleive that hard working conservative patriotic rural whites are bad people ???????


   i'll garandamtee you if it it had been ANY other group the gov would have handled it differently !

Agree with that 100%, but to add to it, those who do or might agree with whats going on are affraid they will be labeled as the that bad person or being put on them "watchlists". They are also just plain scared to stand up against cooruption. Either they are for or against tyranny, there is no place to straddle the fence and pick the winning side after the fact.

Most folks don't know enough about the history of law or the fed government to even understand what's going on up there. They don't know what those people are fighting for


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 Honestly I'm kind of anti law enforcment. and if the president weren't black, you probably wouldn't call him a chimp. G.W. bush looked and acted more lke a chimp than Obama  ever has.

 I really don't think it's that. It seems to me that for so long in this country, black lives didn't matter to the establishment. My good friend's mother showed me a newspaper clipping from 1984 where a black men was shot and killed. in this article it stated that in this county in NC, it was perfectly legal to shoot both dogs and ni**ers. 1984!! This country does not have the best track record for treating brown skinned people fairly.
I'm not saying some of it isn't warranted, but there has been preferential treatment of whites and discrimination against brown people in the past and present. Now I unserstand that whites in certain economic situations are treated just as badly as brown skinned people in most cases, but in small towns and predominately white towns it is usually not the case unless the whites in question are troublemakers.

 Blame the English. They still run the show anyway.

your right, ole' gw is was a chump. i just call it like i see it too. if it looks and acts like a chimp, it probably is. BUT, if the colors were turned, it WOULD be at a minimum, nation wide news and you can't denied that one bit, especially over the past several years of what has happened.

and that is a crock of crap. regardless of the year, it should NOT have happened, unless it it was warranted due to criminal action on the part of the black person/s. but to add to that, how many white folks are killed or beaten by blacks that DONT make the headlines? it seems its ok for ole' whitey to be whooped and or killed by a black person, but damn it if a white person, especially one of authority does it to black person, then its a whole new can of worms getting opened. there are white folks, black folks, hispanics, asians and so forth, and then there are niggers, and thats not a black thing, its an every race thing where they want to act like fools and think others owe them something just bc they walk the earth. my ex-wife's sister is a nigger and she is as pale white as butcher paper is, same goes from a community close to where i grew up, there were good folks down there and then there were niggers, and the community was 99.9% white. some folks call them white trash, or trailer trash or whatever, instead of calling them what they are, as per the definition, well the old definition, stupid lazy person.

You sure didn't have to worry about ol GW's love for our flag, our country, and our troops or question his loyalty to The U.S. ...can't say the same about what's in the office now.

very true.

alphabravo, a guy that claims to be "anti law enforcement" and says GW Bush was more of a "chimp" than Obama is difinately on track with the craphole this Country is going down.    We need more Americans with attitudes like this.    Good Grief!!

The bushes don't give an f about this country, they're globalists, they'd sell us out in a Texas minute for their NWO


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The only thing that matters is what you believe. In these days people have lost the respect of the offices held by our leaders which results in no respect for the person who achieved the office. Most people aren't open to any other thought other then there own this is the result of lack of respect of people in general becuze they think that there idea is more important then the next guy.   


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Dang Judge, it sounds like you know me.   Ha ha ha

respect is earned, NOT handed out, especially if the person holds that elected position and has no respect for that office themselves or the law/s they swore to uphold or the law of the land. those who put the people first won't make it bc they will be peered out by their corrupted peers. if they don't scratch their backs, they turn their backs on them and force them to either become corrupt or wash out. once they can not do what the people need, they know they won't get re-elected, so its either tap out, or go against their sworn oath

Just read a book, clinton's war on women,,,it talks about the cocaine smuggling through Mena Ark.  Gov Clinton turned a blind eye to it, while cia flew it in and used proceeds to fund arms for contras. Bush sr was head of cia during this period. He and Bill still have a close relationship, also, Jeb was involved , as told by the author,, yep, aint sure how much truth to all that, but i do believe Bush dynasty aint all its cracked up to be,

not its not. the only good thing gw did was get the war junkies back into action, but unfortunately at the cost of lives and billions of tax dollars. i enjoyed my time over there, even though the military made that vacation a little on the chitty side, but i did like it over there. it was almost like aerial hog hunting, but the hogs shot back. fun times though. i just wish the company i work for would transfer me to their afghan contract, or get the africom or iraqi contract and put 47s in there instead of them wanna-be-a chinook 107s

Amokabs I can't say 100% if the Cocaine smuggling to Mena is or isn't true. I can say I knew a guy that made low altitude flights to Mexico and other places back in the Clinton years. He is or was from AR. What he was doing wasn't a secret in the small community at the time. Who he was doing it for was unknown.


Shotgun
Arkansas

Pretty much


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 I'm with you. There are niggers of every shade and hue. My town is full of them(some of them are in public office). A whole town full of people that want handouts. Makes me sick!