EAST TEXAS HOG DOGGERS FORUM

I'm sure this thread has been posted before and this forum ain't real bad about it. A lot of Facebook hoggers want to sell you a "finished" dog for 250 or 300 bucks. Now anyone that knows anything obviously realizes that the finished is in qoutation marks for a reason. But I wanna know what's yalls ideal finished hog dog.

When it is dead.

True because most people are not gonna get rid of a finished dog there is too much time and money invested I'm them I have 2 dogs that are as closed to finished as there gonna get and there is no price I've had both from puppy's and hunted them their whole life they will die in the woods or in my yard

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Finished is just a term that means if I drop the dog it should go find a hog. But every one has a different opinion of what that is. Going to be hard to find a good dog for 300 but it can be done


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Age is a factor too because at a year or 2 old a dog still has a lot of puppy in it like I said I'm my other comment mine are the closest their going to get and they are 5 1/2 and 4 1/2 but I know others who won't say there's are until they are older than that

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Haakdt I know exactly how your dogs hunt haha to be exact I just asked you to narrow one of them. I figured someone would say when they're dead. And I do believe no one will sell a truly finished hog dog unless they just get in a bind. I like to think a finished dog is one you can drop anywhere and the next time you see it its lookin at a hog that would be a dog I considered finished

Any dog can bay a hog every once in awhile, but a HOG DOG makes hogs when other dogs couldn't find their tail. Them kinda dogs you don't make often, you are just their ride to the woods!

Although I've only owned my own dogs for just over a year, I've hunted since I was 12, and I'd have to agree with both statements. Blastin your right there are strike dogs out there that'll find their own hog and bay the hair off their back, but just ain't nothing special. And BA-IV I think you're right too cause every hog hunter has seen their fair share of "legends" in either your own yard or on a friends. I personally have only seen 3 but your remark on the owners just being their ride to the woods is spot on


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Any dog can bay a hog every once in awhile, but a HOG DOG makes hogs when other dogs couldn't find their tail. Them kinda dogs you don't make often, you are just their ride to the woods!
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x2...you are talking about the better hog dogs...once a  good line of hog dogs is going good they can be produced regular enough...

I know guys that'll get rid of a finished dog if they decide it doesn't fit their style, to rough, too loose, number 2s in its bowl, etc. but not for 300$! More like 800 to 2000 if it's trash broke. 300$ sound like a scam, wouldn't happen out here, but you're in hog doggin world down there so what do I know


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A finished dog is a dog you put in front of 10 people that don't know each other and let it hunt. At the end of the hunt those 10 men argue over who is gonna buy it then it's finished. All the rest are just dang good dogs.


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Any time I need a good laugh, I enjoy reading through the dog trade section on this sight. Around here, if they ain't workin by eight months of age, they are "finished". The ones that do make hands are fed until the day they are put in the ground, at which point, they are also "finished" ;)

The problem with the term is that is has a different meaning for the buyer as it does for the seller.


Buyer: "Finished Dog" - A machine.  No BS, Find a hog...bay a hog...catch a hog no matter what.  Doesn't fight, loads easily, minds, not too catchy, not to loose baying.  Will rig off the hood, cast a half-mile, road a couple hundred yards ahead, or walk nearby.  Doesn't trash, except will work cattle only on command.  Doesn't eat too much, craps a good-hard turd, no worms, no parasites, and plenty of scars to prove.  Preferably under $300.


Seller: "Finished Dog" - Dog not worth a crap...and I'm "finished" messing with it.

Nailed it ^^^

to me its very simple. good dogs go hunting for you, GREAT DOGS go hunting for THEMSELVES. finished tends to be a general term for a dog that strikes consistently and is trashbroke. the term is used a lot more loosely on facebook than here. I also believe a dog isn't truly finished until its dead because it should always be learning how to bay smarter and run a track faster and even run a colder track yaddah yaddah yaddah. I know of 2 dogs ill call great. they both belong to the same man and im currently waiting on a puppy out of them

If I only had a dollar everytime this thread was started up, I'd have enough money to graduate from natty light to something a bit tastier...

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Bryant I haven't laughed that hard all day! Preciate it

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To me a hogdog is a dog that produces hogs no matter where you turn it loose or what you turn it loose with. It has nothing to do with being trash broke or whether or not it will sit or roll over or jump in your truck. It has only to do with if the dog produces hogs consistently and Its a dog that when I turn it loose I EXPECT to go to him bayed.  But people have very different standards for dogs. And some dogs only  produce according to the situation and the  land being hunted. People love to brag about what they are breeding for and what all a dog has to do for them to feed it and how long it has to run and how old a track it has to take  but in reality people hunt what they have at the time and if they are smart will hunt a dog to their strength. If a dog is a good track dog you put them on tracks. If a dog is a good rig dog you let him rig. If a dog is a good cast dog you turn him loose where hogs are and let him run. I'd love to have a yard full of dogs that hunt exactly how I want and looked how I want and ran how long I want and everything else in every situation but that only happens on the internet.
I don't reference any dog as finished, to me that's a dumb term with way too many variables. But I do call a dog a HOGDOG if he earns it.

I aint Chainrated but I will give you an answer to what I think.
Yes i believe a dog can be a hogdog before it is 2 years old. But like I said befroe a dog is not finished until it is dead. A dog is always learning in my eyes.

If you hunt hard and feed a dog tracks, you can make a hog dog. I've seen young dogs 12-14 months old take and grind on a cold track and bay a hog consistently. They still have faults and mess up, but man is it easier feeding a young starting dog that loves to bay big hogs!

I have had one dog that was a hogdog before 1 year and he was the best I have ever raised or owned...and I have raised some I would put against any hog dog by time they were 18 months old...a hunting dog is born...

I also believe a hog dog can be a finished dog when he reaches a certain peak...just like any great athlete whether it be track, football, basketball or whichever...even the great loose their edge over time...and so it is the same with great hunting dogs...

feeding tracks will make any hunting dog a better hunting dog...but a dog that is born to hunt you just show him what you want...

if a pup don't show me certain traits he won't last long around my place...

So you are saying that an old dog won't or can't learn after they reach a certain age?
To me that is like saying that I can't learn something new since I have gotten older. That athlete may not can compete with young ones anymore but they can still compete and do it a smarter way.

This is what I called finished.....as of 12:30 today he finally met his match in the woods and sadly he passed before they could get him to the vet. He was as much a hogdog as any ive ever followed thru the woods.
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I believe you can have a damn good started dog at age 2... just think what it will be at 4 or 5. I still call 2 year old dogs pups haha.

Justin...sorry to hear that about your dog...it's hard losing a good one...

Hillbilly...I never said an older dog doesn't get better...I was thinking when taking everything into consideration just as with anything else...the body tends to slow down at some point...

Heck I am on a turnaround planning/coordinating team and half of us are retirees...they hired us because of our past histories...The younger guys were hand picked from out in the field contractors that had proven their worth day in and day out....no different as with anything else...

Few things that will always keep a dog in the game no matter age nose will and heart. Feeding tracks might build a dog up to a level but theses things keep em there


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this is my lady gyp I think. Atleast to me. She's only 5 but after going 6-8 months without being hunted before she was handed to me. She's horribly out of shape. And I've had her about 2 months and hunted her hard as I can. I still don't believe she's 100% but she has too much heart. She can be sored up, damn near can't move. I kick her out she's gonna go hunt. Might get outran after she strikes but she's gonna give it hell. That's my "IT" factor for a dog. It don't have to be an Allstar, heck I don't own a Allstar, but I own a few dogs that will give it hell and I enjoy feeding them and hunting behind them. Even today, we hunted all day long, hit 2 spots with old sign if any at all, Lady was sore from chasing track stars all week, and she and the rest of the dogs we kicked out went hunting. And didn't quit till we threw em back in the box


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   You have had this dog 2 months and spoken many times about how out of shape this dog is and even had to carry her out.   First off, no respectable dog man would allow an unfit dog to go so hard that the dog breaks itself down time and time again without getting the dog in shape enough to handle being hunted hard.    Most dogs hunted on this forum can be easily whipped in shape just through normal hunting and handle it BUT their are breeds that have so much hunt drive and physical abilities that allow them to quickly wreck themselves if they are allowed to hunt out of shape.  Your lady dog is neither of these.   She just normal cur and cur does not fall under the dogs which I am referring to with the natural physical abilities to wreck themselves to a big degree.  You either have some underlying issues with this dog  that make you think she is so horribly out of shape or you are doing something wrong.     Either way, I'm constantly reading where your allowing this dog to run herself down.  My advice to you is to stop this practice of allowing her to get this way.      Two months is too long for this to have continue with this dog the way it has.   

Black streak. Forgive me if I exaggerated the whole cant move deal. And she's back in shape I believe, not 100% like she might have been at 2-3 years old but she's in shape enough to be making races for a few hours. When she does get sored up I rest her a few days. Give her Red cell and feed and water her good and get her off the chain just to walk around and stretch. 3-4 days later she sometimes still seems sore but if I think she's good enough to go I take her. I'll take the advice you have to give black streak and I apologize if I seem like I'm failing my dog here. But she acts fine just seems sore some times. I've just been doing what I've been advised to by the person I got her from and what I see fit. If it continues for much longer I'll see to it that I look in to it. But I was expecting a 3 month time table to get her back going 100%


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Lol quite exagerating, I love to help when I can.    Sounds good, good luck

You know there is a way to give advice and constructive criticism without coming off as a complete goober!

I don't even try. I guess it's a curse. Just trying to go about this dogging thing what I think is the right way


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Slim...sounds you have one heck of a gyp...what do you know about her parents, etc...

Dogs take very little to get in shape at 5 yrs old few runs feed restriction and fresh water dog can be in top shape in two or three weeks tops. There might be a underline joint issue or metabolizing issue. I have seen some very over weight dogs get it done night after night. 


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as far as I know she's a best to best backyard breeding out of a group of buds from north Texas. No pedigree written. Just good dogs got bred and they culled hard. She's a product of it. Not any allstar or super dog. But a solid dog I think she is.


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she's a funny dog in general. She just acts different maybe idk. Weirdest dog you've ever met if you get to meet her. Maybe I'm saying she's out of shape and she's not. Maybe shes just is weird... But apparently I can't talk about my dogs with out getting hung by the skin of my teeth first and asked questions later


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just hunt your dog the way you like and dont worry about what people say. you hunt them hard enough they will get stove up.

I don't know bout that I got some weird dogs lol. Dogs are that just dogs but some have more needs than others. But I agree do what ever makes you grin cuz that's what I do and it works well


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Thanks guys. And I'll keep pushin them. Imagine that's  the only way to get them any better


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Lmao blastin that is weird


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 you are just their ride to the woods!

Yessir,,, I have said it before,, There are dogs that look good when u put em on hogs,, then there is dogs that put u on hogs

Slim you talk about many problems, disappointments,  and your lack of knowledge all the time.   Then when someone tries to give you some advice that's not inspiring to you but more to the point and fact you start making excuses such as your exagerating.   You complain and don't understand why people with great lines of dogs won't just give you one.    You love to sight your inexperience and lack of knowledge and understanding about hunt styles, dogs, analyzing what's going on and playing out the way it does, etc etc.     You are shutting the door on people who have tried to educate you and help you.  Not surprising, it is these guys that have great lines of dogs.  You make various excuses and sometimes challenge them.  Maybe if we all just give you a trophy and encouragement to keep doing what your doing instead of giving you some advice with some maturity to it, you would be happier but you wouldn't be any better because of it.     Good people who are successful doing what others don't understand have offered their critique  to your delimmas and difficulties or questions  and you have shut the door on them in one form or another in favor of those praising you.        When someone speaks of what makes a good dog for this or that style of hunting, you chime in and say you have one that does that too and then proceed to describe what is nothing like what you are comparing your dog to and things about your dog that have no bearing in the comparison.  Then want pups from guys who elect not to give you pups.   Listening to half your comments you already have great dogs of every hunt style and niche so why would someone feel the need to throw you another puppy.     I could go on and on with the hypocrisy but you get the point.
     Stuff like this is the answere your big mystery as to why you think some people are hanging you up by the skin of your teeth.    I doubt you will be the least bit humbled by this and just offer up the same list of excuses and jump on the band wagon that's surely to come criticizing me for this.    

Black steak if you want to see this lady gyp of mine come on. You can make your mind up if I'm exaggerating or if that was an excuse. She's a weird dog. She gets sore. She always acts funny. Sometimes more than other but she always goes hunting. And I've never claimed to have great dogs. Nor have I ever asked or expected anyone to hand me anything? You show me where I said "well why don't you give me a pup since you have awesome dogs" and I'll go away. But fact of the matter is you can't because I never said it. I've also never ever said I have a dog that's an Allstar go getter out strike any thing In the woods. I have said many times I have dogs I enjoy feeding. Hell I have a dog I was told was a RCD who barks at hogs, a gyp who gets outran a lot, another gyp that is hardly a help dog, and one that's just a good solid help dog who will strike in fresh sign. Most the guys around this sport who have met me have stuck around to help me out and teach me. Maybe they just haven't realized I'm the cocky stupid 18 year old with pot lickers you've found me to be or maybe this computer screen makes things very 1 dimensional. It's incredibly hard for me to read someone through a screen and I imagine it is for everyone. As for shutting the door on the people here trying to help me. I don't believe I've done that often and I've never aimed to. I try to stay open and take all the advice i can. At the end of the day sometimes I make my own decisions. Whether right or wrong in your or anybody else's eyes isnt that big of a deal. I am constantly learning and changing my ways and approach to go about this what I think is the right way. Black streak I'll assure you one thing. This dog thing isn't a phase for me. It's a commitment I plan on sticking with for a very long time. I probably ain't half as stupid as I sound to you and I'm really not all that disrespectful. Ive met the kind of people around this dog game that I like. Maybe you aren't one of those guys. Maybe you are i have no clue. Can't read nobody through a screen and I won't try. But if it's the integrity and authenticity of this sport that I know you enjoy that your scared I'm gonna jeopardize, I'm sorry but that's not what I'm here to do and I make it a point to try not to. The kind of flat to the point advice your say your trying to give me I take from a few people. And it's the guys I've met that have gotten to know me that I think have good dogs and I think are good guys. If Chris wants to lay in to me he won't hesitate and he knows I'll listen. I believe not only do you have to earn the right to receive help. But you have to earn the right to give it or atleast earn the right to expect it to be taken.

You know I've noticed. There's a couple of guys on here, one being me and another blastin. That it seems the same few screen names always have something to say about. Idk. Have a good day sir. I'm kicking my culls out for a 5th day in a row   


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   On the 2 of this month in the prospects thread you asked Cracker why you and Chris couldn't get dogs off Mike, Cajun, or Justin without paying money or being their best friend.    I just explained why, now you make the excuse you never said the likes of such.
     Plus you made comments that ones to criticize are the last ones to offer help.  You fail to see that help doesn't always come in the form of praise.         This is exactly the response I expected from you.    Maybe you can't read through a computer screen but several can.  You have posted enough to allow people to get a very good read on you.         You give your opinion on what a finished dog is to you as if you had finished dogs and said they weren't finished till they were in the ground.   You have never had finished dogs, nor do you have much of an opinion of your own, you just quote talking points you have read that sound good to you, but you have no experience to speak from.      Your turned a bull dog loose the other night to a bay and were too chicken to follow it in once it caught.  Said it took a few minutes to build up the nerve to go in and once you did, you found a small 3 legged sow lol.    You have just started hunting by yourself and you are far from competent but you give critique to others on anything and everything.  I spoke of rcd's and as expected you jumped in and yeah I have one too because it has the IT factor and the want to.   I could go on and on but if this isn't enough for you to see what's staring back at you in the mirror your looking in, then I give up. 

A year is no experience to speak from? Hunting 5 days a week is no experience to speak from? I ain't saying its a lot but it damn sure ain't nothing homeboy. Black streak, I believe you over think this whole deal. It's pretty damn easy to teach a dog to trail find and bay a hog. Hell my number 2eaters do it.
And yeah I guess I have posted enough for people to get a good read on me. Suppose that's why I get messages from guys I don't know telling me to keep on going and ignore you and your nay saying friend. Get told they have Parker cur pups and black mouth pups from good dogs coming and I'm more than welcome to one. I appreciate all those guys a lot. You my friend are very sour and I don't believe I have a lot to do with it. I just gave a dog away, she's not from some line bred family, she wasn't worth the lead it would have taken to cull her when I got her, day before I gave her away she casted 800 in no sign on a ranch there hasn't been a pig on in 2 months. Found a track at about 830. ran it for probably 600 yards and put a pig at the end. The boys who came to hunt with me to pick her up were pretty impressed with how me and my friends mutts hunted... As for my opinion of my dogs, I think the world of em. They go hunting and put me on hogs. I don't ask them to do anything more than give it hell and they do that every time I open that box. I gotta go, My running catch dog is baying a cow.


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Black streak if I don't remeber reading awhile back. Havnt you only hunted with what has made you this cocky for only about a year?... please correct me if I'm wrong bubba. I find en experiance there to my friend ! Because there no other dog out there that compares. So your learning aswell? You hunted other style before, so this somthing your learning? That's what I've gathered from ya!

Hey slim your name is on my list to hand a pup to aswell this year. Told you that first time I spoke with you.

How solid was your pack at 18 years old black streak?

Yes you did art, I'm really looking forward to getting behind the parents of them pups here soon and then raising a pup off of them. I've cleared a lot of room here lately cause come probably July August I'll have 6-7 pups under a year old. I'm itchin to get pups going. Seeing them turn on has been the funnest part to me so far


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The words from others mouth speak not of my character, but of their own.


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Slim I done pointed out that you lied and give the date and thread on which you did it. Lying is also an exagerating of the truth which you so redily say as an excuse to crawfish back to the truth.    You claim you have great character but a person they exagerates the truth every other time they speak and lies is of good character to you?           Further more on the lie, you challenged me to point out where it was and said if I did, you would go away.  You have now been caught twice in a lie, as  made fact by your continued presence.   Some character you have.
    You give advice and critique on things you just asked questions about how to do days before.   This is what draws such attention to.
The fact that your words can not stand on their own merits and you have to use others to prop you up is laughable and incompetent.   To top that off, people have to give you a pep talk because you can't stand on your own merits and then as proof to this, you proudly show off your cruches.     
     I don't doubt good people are helping you, you surely need it but this here should be proof enough that your the one being helped, not the other way around which you act like.      Your are nice kid but not humble.  When humility comes knocking, you thumb your knose at it and let it pass you by.
    As further proof of your lack of humility and moral fiber (which you think you have so much of) you can't descuse subject matter on its own merits.  You try to detour and draw attention away from the subject matter by somehow trying to make the connection to someone being wealthy (which again you were wrong on) or try to sight an age difference and try to divert attention to as if the person was implying you should respect your elders as a copout to try to avoid the question and subject matter then called upon you to address.     Then there is the flat refusal to admit saying what you did and playing dumb or you sight your inexperience as to why you can't stand on your own words.  Your proof you try to use to give credit to your argument is how often you go hunting.   What's that prove? That you are a slow learner is what is says to me.  Then it's I've only been doing this for a year, but you give critique a d advice in everything now.  Even dogs which you know nothing about and don't own but you think you do.    So what if your dogs are young or 3rd rate, don't blame your dogs for your own incompetence.  Just because they are not the best don't mean you get to fall back on your dogs when your called out on here for what you say.   You sight what other people tell you about your dogs as an excuse to comment on threads about dogs which your dogs sometimes clearly do not meet the criteria of the dogs being spoke about.     
    You sight a pep talk that's ment to deceive you and make you feel better as it  draws attention away from the principle matter and distorts it into my style is better than your style which no one ever said or implied except your cruch.   Fact is you give advice or critique when you have no foundation to back it up and as a result, try to back it up with other peoples coat tails.
   You will do anything to crawfish and not stand on the merits of your critique when it is called into question.     
     I understand you like talking about your dogs and hunts and sharing ideas and information, that's why we are all on here. 
      Since people get information from sights like this and this is a place for the exchange of knowledge and ideas and discussion, people should be allowed keep others from spreading half truths and call upon the judgment of others when they are out of bounds or have inconsistencies in their stories.    If people are not held to certain standerds and are allowed to get away with saying things they can not discuss on its own merits, then that persons comments should be called into question.  If not, then where is the integrity and the truth to the ideas and knowledge echanged on this sight?     If people like you Slim just speak because they are song birds and pass stuff off as fact and can't even argue what they say for themselves without running to others for help and cruches, then how is the next little Slim gonna obtain the truth from this sight?     People give comment all the time on here as to things they can't do well or are biased to as if they were sighting fact.  Meanwhile, others on here are extremely knowledge and very successful in areas commented on by the biased and unsuccessful.       They give details and description of how it's done successfully and the facts behind it, but others are allowed to go unchecked on here and give there expert opinion on how it can't be done or shouldn't be done.   They give bad info about all sorts of things, even their own styles.  That next little Slim is gonna have to wade through all the false truths and detours and unless he is really something special, will fall into the same rut you did and will be allowed to repeat the process.     
      Do you not see yet that this isn't a personal deal toward you Slim, but a moral deal.   This ain't just for you, I wrote this in hopes others would check themselves too and have a little humility before they put there 2 cents worth on subject matter they are biased to, don't understand, or can't do successfully for one reason or another.   Let the people that can and do, be the ones to answere questions regarding certain issues asked by others. There are many ways of hog dogging and each is uniquely different and requires certain talents from both hunter and dogs.   Make this a place of honor and integrity where can't just anyone get on here and start spouting dumb stuff or exagreations, false truths, lies, without being checked and reigned in and held the standerds of discussing matters on the merit of which it was said and not be allowed to constantly crawfish or use the coattails of others, and others as cruches.  If you can't do that, do you really need to give critique and advice?     

black streak...this is a forum for all to use as long as it is kept respectable...People have theories, ideas and first hand experience and it is perfectly ok and normal to express and share their experiences and thoughts...so what if not all is totally right...we all should have the thought process to decide if it is right or wrong...one thing I know for sure...the more input the better the outcome...the input tends to gravitate towards an average...

just like you say you have studied how you dogs work...on a few generations and now you are the authority on what you say...I could very easily pick at your learned and expert knowledge on your studies pretty quickly but I choose not to do it for several reasons...the main reason has to do with me not wanting to be disrespectful towards another human being...getting data points on a few dogs and calling it fact I can not buy...there are too many variables involved not to mention the cull percentage involved...that has to be evaluated and be part of the equation as well...one can make an honest assessment and give personal theories...but it is not fact...and again...it is perfectly normal and ok to give opinions...

it seems like you have appointed yourself as the know it all that can tell others that they are wrong in what they say...in the dog world there is no "one" right answer...

He has the right answer! Hes been there done it! Black streak your the cats meow to hog hunting! :)

Ruben you just made a lot of assumptions there but I appreciate the respect.   I will also say the same to you, I can pick apart what you say but show you respect and normally keep my comments about things to myself.    
        I do not consider myself the forgoing expert you accuse me of being with my dogs.  I merely know and understand them better than most on this forum.  They are foreign  type dogs to most people on this forum but this forum welcomes all types of hog dogging.  My knowledge I only consider to be average among the people who came before me.  They are not active much here anymore because they got burned out with the blanton miss information that's shared about such dogs and just move on.  I will do the same but what I leave behind will not be a mingled mesh of false naritives and miss information about the dogs I hunt.  Their will always be turnover and just because I am the latest to come on scene does not mean I'm sucking hind tit in the knowledge department.     Listening to you, I would be under the impression that the person(s) that laid the ground work for my knowledge base took things as far as understanding could go with it.   That's just not so, it's a road map for further understanding.  I have seen what they have but thinks to them, didn't have so long to understand what I was seeing.    Plus their experience combined with mine and seeing and experiencing the same stuff time and time again by me and them does give credit to what I'm saying.     Because I have experienced these things over and over unlike you portray I have not, I do not need to call upon them for backup when the merits of what I say is called into question.  The questioning of content is productive and keeps things honest and prevents others from getting away with passing fiction off as truth.      There is also a difference between owning  and hunting dogs and really understanding what you own and are hunting.     Just because you have dogs longer than someone else does not make you an athority on them, that is fullish to assume.
 You are very correct in saying just seeing something a few times is not good enough to consider it a rule or a fact and same goes for seeing only a few dogs but you seem to be making the assumption I fall into this catagory.    Do you take me as a hypocrit?   This is my stance exactly and what I love to point out to people.  You yourself say you have never owned an rcd yet you have given a bad critique of them.   You and I could probably  go back and forth a very very long time and not accomplish a dang thing other than making people laugh at us.    We all have our strong suits, some are more common on this forum than others.  Just because mine is one that false into the extreme minority and I'm the current mouth piece for my particular style of dogs does not make me a genious.  Just makes me one of the very few that have enough knowledge about these dogs to share with people that are currently active on this forum.   If you think it makes me an authority on them that's ok, I'll let you think that.        
      For what it's worth, the dog men with great understanding of these dogs I run that are responsible for the path I chose and the dogs I have, are current friends of mine.    We talk dogs and share pictures often.  I have never once called upon either to come to my aid and back me up and have told them if they are ever one here and I say something they see differently, to correct me.   I am only interested in sharing the truth about the dogs which I run and asked them to correct me if ever I am in the wrong.     They have never had to correct anything I have said because they are seeing something different.
       Sometimes I speculate about certain things such as crossing a stag with a bay breed.   I've not run a cross like that but I have a good understanding of both types of dogs.   If I give critique of such, I give it with the understanding or the perception that I'm speculating and doing my best to give what I believe would result.     I have nothing to gain from exagerating or trying to pretend I'm something I am not on this forum.   I'm not of that kinda character.  Nor am i trying to promote stags or finder holder type dogs. I actually don't think they are best for most people because the same understanding that goes into a cur and bull dog does not hold the same with the dogs I run.  They are very different and have different requirments.   This interests people and also needs to be explained to those interested in them.   I really tend to deter people from getting them rather than promote them because this is a bay dog and bull dominated forum, but when people ask or speak of these types, I like to give an honest answere and keep false accusations from spreading anymore than they already have been.        I like truth and honesty and humility.  I like intelligent discussion.   If I was a hypocrite on here, I would be everything I hate.    I speak for people with genuine interest  in dogs I know a little about.  I have no interest in deceiving people.  If I wanted fame and notariety on here I would post pictures.  I take very awsome and interesting pictures.    If you want me to back this up, pm me your number and I'll send you pics the likes of which you don't see on this forum just so you know I'm not blowing smoke.    Actually pictures might make things with me make sense to you.  

Thanks Art but no applause needed

When you get invited based on good hear say to hunt only for your dog's to make  a fool of you

galaxy phone is better than your fruit

Dogs, horses, and women will make a fool outta you just as soon as you brag on em  :D

thats a fact!

And anybody who says otherwise is gullible, naive, or don't like the truth  ;D

Ain't that the Dang truth.

I guess y'all ain't had no good ones lol


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dogs, yes. Women......NO  ;D

I've still got the one I started with but that don't mean I'll brag on her!!

When you been with the same one 25 yrs you will


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I've been with mine over 10 years but she has aged me 25 years.... does that count?? ;)

galaxy phone is better than your fruit

I had one that I woulda called finished by any standards once...

She would take a cold or hot track and follow it to completion most everytime.

Had plenty of bottom...

A great handle...

But all of a sudden after 19 yrs she decided she aint wanna hunt no more! Weirdest thing...

....we talkin women here lol

My first one would range out to far and got awfully trashy.  Had to cull her.

I got a super nice female I've had for 7 years. She gets real snappy and aggressive sometimes  but overall I couldn't be happier with her.

You won't see much anything except some ugly, scrappy, inbred looking dogs in my yards. They're my buddies! ;D


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They tend to scare all the good gyps worth breeding away


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them are hell on the feed bill.

Georgia you aren't lying, they'll put away some fried chicken and a few stones a piece. They come when called though and that's hard to find these days


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Slim just because someone offers you something with Parker blood in it don't mean it's the ticket either. Some people like them some don't go look on the hog hunting 4 real board it's plenty to read on them.

Bo Pugh I know there's culls everywhere. And there's good dogs that just don't fit in on someone's yard. But I have read some good things about Parker blood and if I'll give a pup out of decent dogs a shot for sure. Hell I give mutts a shot. So far it's gone okay for me


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Depends on your definition of a hogdog. I've seen some real good started dogs at 2 years old. But to me if a dog at 5 is no better than he was at 2 then that was a dumb dog. I always say it like this, if you got a bunch of 2 year old dogs that are as good or better than your older dogs then I would start reevaluating how good my older dogs are and what I was feeding.