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I have a gyp that has a heck of a nose, loads of drive and hates a pig. bays great, but has no grit.. she won't put teeth on a runner. are there any tricks to get a dog to get a little more grit? this dog would be the whole package if she could stop a runner..

I hate to be that guy but I honestly do not believe that "grit" is a trainable thing, much like range I believe grit is a trait a dog either was born with or without. Hopefully someone will come along that may have a different outlook on it but I just don't really know of any way to make a dog grittier.

idk how old a gyp your talking about but if you run her with rough dogs she might get rougher . on the other hand i agree with justin , i have a stepson that once stepped in a yeller jacket nest , got stung once and sat down and cried while getting stung repeatedly . i was watching from a safe distance waiting for him to get up and run ....

 i wound up having to go tote him out and got stung twice .

 my other 2 boys if they got stung would probably dive in the nest and try to kill every one of them sombeetches  ;D

i'm exagerating a little to prove a point ( however not much ) , its all genetics  ;)

She's 3.. other than the lack of grit, she's awesome

many folks breed for that trait...hunt her by herself and use walk in catch dogs...

sounds like the kinda dog I like. She won't ever be in the injured pen and you will always have a dog to hunt with

Only problem is we have a lot of hard running hogs around south la..

I'm in the same dilemma, for years I've bred, culled, and selected dogs that will get out and hunt and stick with a runner in the process losing the grit in my pack, now im of the school of thought that there are " rough" dogs and then there's dogs with "grit", the latter of the two being able  to stop a hog and keep it bayed without repeatedly trying to catch it and continuing the running. I've been talking to a guy who was once a member of this forum who is developing a line of dogs that are bred specifically for speed and stopping power,  within the next year or so I'm going to need an outcross and I'm going to add some of his stuff, to answer your question I don't think that is a learned trait, now I believe you can maybe sharpen their skills some but In my opinion your not going to be able teach "grit" to one.

all hoghunters and cowboys need a dog that has enuff grit to stop hogs and cattle and then back up and let them stay bayed .

 it's a fine line , if too many dogs find too few cattle  it is a wreck untill them cattle find a bigger herd .

a dog that can't make that bad boar respect it - same deal ,a wreck. these dogs are few . however some lines produce them and others don't .

the perfect dog would bay a group of 20 # shoats and then catch the 1 you told him to 1 day and shut down a 2000 bramer bull and keep him bayed the next .

i got a yard full of these kind for sale , they ain't cheap but they all come with a deed of your very own beach front property in arizona .   ;D ;D

Yep...its a fine line...one dog working by itself might be perfect...2 of the same type can become bay busters...

You wanna sell the gyp? That's the kind I like.

I thought about putting her in a bay pen with a real rough hog.. she's never had a scratch on her, she's been too quick so far, but if she got a poke or two, maybe she'd get rougher? 50 50 shot whether she gets rough or ruined.. anybody try this? how'd it work out..

You'll probably ruin her... it's not worth trying.

I am with mike don't do it. Just get a grittier dog to run with her that will bay once stopped


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Your exactly right, that's the exact type of dog I'm going for with my curs, I think with the addition of this other line I've found, I believe thats the type of dogs that they will produce. If you don't mind me asking what line of dogs do you feed ?

i totally agree with mike and judge. dont ruin the dog. she is what she is and she might change on her own but i kinda doubt it.have you seen for sure that she wont at least nip a runner to try to make it turn so she can bay it again?

If the hog whooped on her that would prob make her more scared and she would definetly stay  back further then. I think the best opion is get another dog to go with her.

goose , my dogs go back thru clue anderson , ben jordan , bob owens , ricky driver .  i'm told they originated in the big thicket . they're tight bred back to the big boy \ blondie cross .

I have a good friend of mine that I bet would love to talk dogs with you, he's got a good deal of the same blood, not going to throw any names out about where he's gotten some from, he's  a yella dog man whose pretty knowledgable about the history behind his dogs. It's always a friendly rivalry between us because I'm a spotted dog man.

You want a gritty dog get one. If the dog is 3 you know what it is. Don't try making it what it's not. I have some sure nuff rough catchy dogs. I also have loose back up and bay dogs. It doesn't matter if I run both packs together they will be what they are.


Shotgun
Arkansas

jmaroon stop listening to everything you hear on the internet.     Sounds like you have a hellva little female and have heard to much BS about all the super internet dogs the "stop" every hog that tries to run.    News Flash, thats BS!   No dog is perfect and they ALL get out ran by the runners from time to time so just enjoy this little dog for what she is.    Good luck

I'm not worried bout what the internet says, I just have a dog that could be a jam up dog somewhere that a pig will just stop turn and bay.. I'd just like to see a lil more nut biting from her.. like I said before.. we have a lot of hogs that aint gonna turn with out teeth on their butts.. she's good.. I just wanted to see if I could.. improve on her.. do I want her to CATCH every hog? hell no.. I'd just like to stop a few more.
I really appreciate the knowledge that I've heard so far.. I'm just gonna run her like she is and see what turns out.

Jmaroon what part of south La are you from?

Lafayette area..

Yep they either got Grit or don't just like hunt those things are bred in my opinion.

I agree...the only thing we can do or hope  to do is to bring out the best in what already is bred in to said dog...