EAST TEXAS HOG DOGGERS FORUM

Anyone have any words of great wisdom or dog whisper ideas, prayers even. Fellas I'm at a loss and I'm getting madder every hunt I go on. I don't know what the trick is or something but if any of you guys have some ideas I am ALL EARS! I m willing to try about anything. Started off the year catching a good many hogs and then the running started. I haven't got a problem locating the hogs dogs are doing fine in that department it's getting the stupid things bayed long enough for me to get to them. Put the dogs in the baypen on a decent boar and let em get some bay practice in and the following hunt we struck a 177lb boar and we caught him without a bulldog. Now we're back to running the fire out of em again. My male will stick for miles hunt I went on solo we ended up 8 miles from where we struck before they bayed up and that's to dang far. Any ideas or input is greatly appreciated.

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You either have to catch em when the dogs first find em or have enough bottom to run the air out of them...all this about dogs that can stop runners or shut em down I just don't buy.  If they're going to run they're going to run period.

Another thing you may want see if one of your dogs is busting the bay, a bay buster never helps matters on a running hog.

I agree it's been getting worse lately I'm lookin really hard at the dogs I'm running to check for a bay breaker but harder to find that out than it sounds especially when they are 800+yds when they strike then it's off to the races. Actually saw the hog 5yds from the pipeline sucker came by like grease lightening was hoping he would come out I've started carrying my rifle on a regular basis because of this junk. I don't know if running the wind out of these jokers is possible due to how far we end up going, we're talking milesss off the properties were supposed to be on and they are 800-1200 acres on average. We have permission from surrounding land owners to get dogs and get back where we are supposed to be but as bad as they are going were getting past everyone we've talked to quick fast and in a hurry sometimes.

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Run one of them at a time. That's all I've been dropping and hogs hardly run.

I don't know the terrain you are in,, but a cutover is hard territory for dogs to stop hogs that don't want to bay,, especially those from that 60-100 pd range.  You almost have to catch them on site.. the combination of dogs that u are running is extremely important.. Some dogs work a bay good together then u had the third dog and it seems the hogs wont stand it.. have to be a rank boar hog to stand for three to 5 dogs on ground,,, and he will have to be in his bed or somewhere he has plenty of security in.. Good luck to you man,,, we fight this battle too and sometimes we gotta realize that we aint gonna catch one everytime we go,, sucks but that is the truth...

This was my thought as well. I normally only run 1 or 2 max.

try running less dogs or looser baying dogs. I'd crap if my bay dogs caught a 175 pd boar without a CD

I was shocked when we got there I didn't even send the bulldog joker started squealing figured alright we got us a little ol pig and got there and found my main strike dog locked down like a bulldog on him had to many on the ground that day puppy and I think 4 bay dogs I done got tired of the running so I was hoping to catch out on the ones we'd been chasing 60-120lb range and they came across him just added a new dog to the pack as well and she's on the rougher side but backs up as long as they stop quick. So we caught him but not my original intentions. Guess I'm  gonna start using one maybe 2 dogs on the ground at a time and see what happens gonna try an find a decent hog for my baypen and get them to respect em a little better and not put as much pressure on them. Thanks for the input so far and yep I'm the first to admit it been running to many dogs at once usually 3 bay dogs and a puppy so having 4 on the grounds probably 3 to many 

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3-4 is fine aswell as long as there grabbing somthing on site of hog and all pile on. If not, bay gunna break everytime. 2at my max and I mean mine are super loose baying dogs. Even looser when it's just one of them. Hardly no pressure on the hog. Have had hogs of all sizes set up better that way. I can't stand a bay buster! That's why I got rid of a jagd I had <--- bay Bustin sob! Took me awhile to figure out which was doing it, just hunted one at a time, and added a dog in at a time. Damn worthless jagd was in there trying to cath.

Lol Them jagds are fearless baywreackers

we ran one for hours and hours  last week he'd  bay  4 or 5  barks and break ....hahaha bout the way to catch him is shoot him crossing road ...... some just wont bay they come out that running pasture they dog spoiled ..... while back I told my boys  you know we causing some of this they said how ....I said  by getting to a bay hard as we  can with catchdogs .....these  dogs  gotta  learn how to bay and hold hogs that takes  time  baying ......if you got young dogs and bays  busting if you will back off and when you get a good hog bayed  that wants  to  stand  let  em bay just set back and listen ...they learn to make a game  of it and  how  to hold hogs ....now  you may have  a few  get away that you may have got a ctachdog too by  doing this  but  you will see a  difference after a  while ......we already see a difference  now  when a dog gets there you  here a hush then they start back with the dog added  in not a big racket and a broke out bay .....

Appreciate the input guys and I know it happens to all of us sooner or later but makes me feel better to hear it anyway  and some of the solutions that yall have had good luck with. Gonna be trying them all to some degree or another to figure out what will work. Also need to find a bad hog for my pen was gonna try getting them to all pile on and catch deal but used a smallish easily overpowered hog for the training and it worked for one hunt and then they either forgot or met one that not all of them committed on is what I'm figuring and it kinda goofed up the whole bunch so guess I take some blame for that as well gonna get em to learn to bay a good hog and not try to catch had good luck in the past doing that one thing to find hogs which isn't the problem but controlling/baying is a completely different thing all together

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Can't tell you what your personal solution is, but a friend told me once that hog can jog all day, but they can't sprint very long at all. I have found it to be very true, and very helpful.
You need to find a way to see if your dogs are allowing these hogs to jog.some dogs can't track fast enough to catch up to a jogging hog and he will jog all day in front of them. Other dogs don't have stock sence to cut ahead of a walking hog and make work him, they will often run with the hog and bawl or even just pester them into keeping the race going.

Hope these help.

No one thing is the best thing individually but all these things learned together will aide you in path down the rd. there is no set way better then the other just different ways to skin the cat. That's where being versatile comes in to play


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Agreed I've been outrun plenty had dry runs etc. just like everyone else I don't get to bent out of shape over it, but when I get to see the hogs and know that a dogs 10 yds behind him burning that track like dang it and not getting it finished is just eatin me up! I gotta figure out what's going on and take some steps to try and get it corrected whatever that may be I agree with the dogs needing to actually work the hog shut em down and start working them. I'm leaning more towards the bay breaker or as a group they are getting rough but not committing and staying caught causing them to break. So on top of not catching the hogs I'm getting on I'm now one of the guys that is educating the dang things on dogs and making the problem worse. So I'm gonna see what steps I can take to make a change and get a plan together that works

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  like was said they can jog all day but  you pump the air  out and he's gotta stop ......but  in ruff bad  briar cutover specially row planted pines GOOD LUCK PUMPING HIS AIR OUT .... 

I always hear guys say it's hard to catch in those planted pines what makes it so hard vs thick briars yopoons black lokus blood weed cane and so on. Hogs run hard every where I never hunted in pine rows maybe I am missing something


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......but  in ruff bad  briar cutover specially row planted pines GOOD LUCK PUMPING HIS AIR OUT

You said it Mr. larry... that's what it takes luck....or if a man has a dog that can do it 100% of the time,, I aint never laid my eyes on that dog...

Hard to explain, but I've hunted a lot of places in more then a couple of states, and not much compares to planted pines that's 5-8 years old and the briars and youpons have pretty much took over.

Lotta the planted pines when they get 3-7 year range are bad rough you usually cannot walk through them at all usually have to lay down or attempt to back through them it's taken 30 minutes to get 100 yards before in some of them the briars go from your feet to over head high and your lucky to find a rabbit trail. Once they get past that age the undergrowth starts to get smothered out and die off and it's not nearly as bad. Dang hogs will run circles in it get a little ahead of a dog and just wait dog finally gets close they'll just go a little farther.

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Plus, a lot of pine thickets are hundreds or thousands of acres... of solid hell.

But, I'll agree on using 1 dog that knows how to bay a hog is the best answer on runners in my opinion. Other than that, you gotta run the air out of them... send fresh dogs after ones ran a few hours and it will usually get bayed pretty quick.

Maybe one day God willing I well get to hunt them pines y'all speak of


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I just tend to dump the box and hope the catch out. Lol jk. I'm hunting a cemetery tonight. Gonna just dump the 2 roughest dogs I have and a bulldog and see how it turns out


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Like mentioned, try working one dog at a time. Or perhaps one finished dog you can trust and a pup.
I ran into the same problem, I had a bay buster in my group... After a good whopping by a good boar, she learned to back up and bay.. It drove me nuts for the longest time, until finally I dropped dogs one at a time.. You can check dogs off your list one at a time this way.. You can also learn how independent your dogs are... I hate dogs that depend on other dogs to get gone.. Useless in my opinion..


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One of the techniques I'm gonna try is getting my hands on a good boar if I can't catch one pretty soon and send them to bay school on top of dropping just one at a time and the other tips and tricks you guys have mentioned. Figure if I can teach them to bay a little better with a good hog and not a easily overpowered one it can't do anything but help. Heard from one of the old timers around here if you want to catch good hogs train with good hogs you want to catch sows an babies then train with them, he alway had one bad sob in his baypen...

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Hey judge how many dogs you usually have on the ground when your hunting?


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Usely 3 dogs and a rough dog in the box with a cd. I use the same tactics if I am running loose or land sharks. I alway run a dog that will mostly bay with rough dogs just works good for me. To many dogs on the ground and usely you will catch the smaller pigs if your in a group of pigs


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We hunt in rowed pines quite a bit and do pretty decent considering but I will say this, I'd rather have to run through a youpon or tallow thicket with briars here and there than in a dang saplin pine plantation, those young rowed pines SUCK. they are literally eat up with briars from one end to another plus you have to deal with the troughs between every row, usually full of soupy slippery mud and snakes paired with green briars hanging off durn near every tree lol. THey just suck all around. If you have ever watched a hog barrel through woods like that (im sure you have, just speakin in general) itll amaze you that any dog bigger than a jack russell or jagd can keep up, our curr dogs come out of those plantations lookin like they been battlin with a herd of  coons  ;D. I couldnt image runnin full speed through that nonsense with my nose and eyes leadin the way   :o

and to add to that judge, im not sayin for a minute that the hogs run harder in the rowed pines that other places they just seem to stack the odds more in their favor when they go blastin through that stuff. in all of our big woods the briars are lifted I guess you would say, more room to run underneath em for a dog as opposed to the briars being dang near on the ground in the rowed pines. Just my take on it.

Judge Ive been meanin to PM you about your bulldog but I haven't got around to it. Id be happy to take ya'll hunting down here if ya'll ever get this way, i'd like to meet ya'll, seem like good folks. if ya'll ever get down this way (south east texas) let me know and we can make it happen, i'll be happy to let ya'll play in these pine plantations  ;D

Come on over to northeast LA and hunt with me sometime Judge. All we mainly hunt are pines, so i dont have anything else to judge it on. I do feel like ive been in places the devil himself created while hog hunting though.

Cool deal fellas I look forward to taking both of you up on your offer


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What part of la you in may have to get together one day I'm in North west la to

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Yea I know right where Bastrop is, I'm in Springhill it's on the Arkansas line North of Shreveport

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Hog snatcher I dont know about now but a few yrs back you had some jam up hunting around you I hunted with a guy in cotton valley a good bit had some good days over there haven't been since my buddy got out of the lease he was in though

Who'd you hunt with up this way, there are a good number of hogs and some good ones in the area for sure but also alot of us hunting them we all try and steer clear of each others spots and be respectful as a whole lot of good hunting turkey season had a big damper on the spots I can run now and the last few places we been hitting have hogs but dang they are starting to turn into some track stars. Ive gotten very accustomed to catching dang near every hunt and that's just not happening lately. Usually expecting multiple hogs and getting lucky to shut down one so it's definitely getting to me

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Its been 5or6 yrs I had a friend from around Monroe that was in a lease i dont know the name of lease but it is on east side of the main hwy coming through cotton valley is all I really know there was a lot of wells we drilled on the same lease for xto i like hunting around there cause like u said it was almost a forsure thing to catch one if not multiple hogs we usually relocated most hogs to my part of country im bout 30 miles other side of monroe but I spent about 2yrs in cv drilling for precision in that time I hunted that area pretty often with my buddy and only met one other guy that dogged I think his name was Shane he lived there in CV hope you can put the brakes on them suckers good luck man maybe they'll forget to lace them nikes up next time or through a couple Ole hardnose cur dogs in there that has helped around my area on those track stars

Yea there are some good spots in Cotton Valley, I think Shane has gotten out last I heard he used to have some good dogs from what I've heard never got to make a run with him but my cousin was with him when his jeep dog got killed on the wma a couple years ago. I've got one spot to hunt down that way and the guy calls when they're in there and that's been a while.

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That sorry ole brindle cur he had but yeah I talked to him again about a yr ago and he had been out for a lil while he said he told me that the last couple yrs they had split up that lease and wasnt like it was the hogs  moved alot