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Let's see what you're using to put the breaks on some of these running a** hogs. How are they bred, and how do they hunt

Mine is a pit x cur mix named grizz. My Swiss army knife of hog dogs. Can be hunted like a one out finder holder and has found about a dozen that way. Can be used as a RCD to stop runners or as just a lead in catch dog when hunting with long range loose dogs. If casted he hunts 2-500 yard range. Hunts really well when roaded or walked too. Can't post pics but number is 254-541-0068 if you want to text me and I'll send pics Art if you can post.

We hunt in pine plantations with black berrys grown up in them and they are thick as it gets.  More than once I have entered a bay only to see a real good boar hog break and blow thru them berry vines and saplings so fast I hardly knew which way he went and it takes the dogs a few seconds themselves.  This is a senerio I personally see no solution to.   Now in open woods or fields the dogs can surely run one down and put teeth on him but in these thickets he is just gone in a blink of an eye and the dogs are to far behind to do much about it within seconds.   On occasion they only go a few hundred yards and catch or Bay but I know for a fact my dogs didn't "stop" him and most likely he just just squatted and they found him again.  There is a big difference in how some folks view their dogs work.  I'm not saying some dogs can't physically run a hog down in this terrain and put teeth in his behind but I know mine can't so we just do the best we can.  Often times if the hog has no intentions of stopping he will get away but occasionally we can out last him and wear him out and get him bayed but we've got to get a little lucky.  That is about as true as I can tell it and I am very interested in this topic because I do see these running SOB'a as an extremergency inconvenience and would like to find a solution.  Look forward to hearing what everyone uses to neutralize these hogs.

I got some curs that will latch on no matter where there at water thickit don't matter the tricky part is in a open patch water or field the hog is toast. But in the super thick stuff the hog can get the dogs in a bind and scrape em off. I like a smaller type cur that can mover better with gritt to make that sucker stop then one of them curs that catch get there and he might be done. Now only way I see is to up your odds is dog that don't quit and or dog that don't give a dam. Other than that it's 100% up to the hog your on when and if he will bay up for you. No fool proof method just better game plan with good dogs is where the rubber hit the road


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So how do you dog Bay Judge or dog they just catch on sight?   I can't have RCD's because my dogs don't just find hogs that are under my feet and it might take me a while to cover the ground to get to them and get control of the hog for their safety.   I need to be able to control when they catch so I can be there.  We are talking about "stopping" hogs, not just mauling them to death.  By the way, were you suggesting my dogs are quitting hogs that run?

We have had a lot of good luck with real catchy dogs right there when the strike is made.  If the hog ever gets the chance to run from the get go that is when the odds get bad for your dogs.  With that said a lot of dogs are bay breaking ruff dogs that just think they want some till the big boar hands him his ass and he backs off and the hog takes off in a split second.  I've had those dogs am sure most have.  The dogs there when the strike is made have to have their minds made up its you are me Am gonna nail you butt to the wall are die trying.  Also you need dogs that complement this type of dogs so when the first hit is made its a swarm.  If he ever gets a loose that's when it becomes a marathon.  These kind of dogs are for some and some they ain't.  I love myself.

Not at all bro I ain't talking bout your dogs I am talking bout mine. As far as my dogs catching a running hog I have had them caught a long ways off  its part of the game I have said many many times my dogs are short range if a dog hunts out 1/2 mile and not on something I have no use for that kind of dog I like mine to hunt 500 or less. I have had dogs caught mile and half away you just got to hammer down and do what you got to do what I do and how I do it ain't for every one but it's what I do. Now it has bit me in the butt few times but for the most part it a ok. There is more then one way to do all things so I respect all ways of doing it. (http://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20160418/d0d018b0fd3514df3bba9fde94eaa579.jpg)(http://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20160418/8b96c8e0a072483dc6dc4dc0e5e5d5e5.jpg)(http://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20160418/d847e81fa4bfbe94961634654ba5f888.jpg)


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Those are the dogs I put on the ground if I want a caught hog. I will take ol Leroy in open country keep in the box and if one is breaking and baying I will send him to make em act right now it don't always work but it serves me good


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Am the same way judge.  I like a dog that hunts 500 yards and less.  I don't need a dog now days that hunts a mile mile half out my lands to small besides I have went back to the ruffer types of dogs.  The only draw back is like you said if the get some where I can't get to them .  Now days I make sure before I hunt a place where I can go and where I can't before a dog is turned loose.  I have some looser dogs for them types of bigger places but I perfer my ruff dogs and places.

(http://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20160418/ed9a14b31fdfa27545aef342af6ad7bd.jpg) these 2 get together right here, ain't much baying gonna happen. Red gyp is cur x lacy (as far as I know) she's pretty rough but smart, if I run her without a cut collar she will back up, put a vest on and she's gonna try anything. The brindle dog is an old east Texas cur, brindle cur, pit, and supposedly whippet hound are all in there somewhere. He doesn't have a bark in him.


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I feel the same way about them pine plantation thickets or any thick thicket for that matter no kinda dog I have ever seen ain't running a hog down in there that no matter how bad they want to the hog will have to want to stop if they stop in in there. I have seen and know there are some dogs that can run em down and put teeth i n em in open woods or field I have been around some dogs that is not fastest enough to do it there either.

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I'm on the other end of the stick. I was curious if loose bay would come up. 1 dog out, loose bay. No cut down. Less dogs killed. If hog does decide to move out, I've had better success of hog setting back up sooner. Till I can get a bulldog there. I could imagine my dogs getting out of pocket and catch out. My places are to small and sometimes get on next properties. 1 loose dog is my method of stopping a runner lol

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Judge that's some good looking dogs really like that leapord dog.  Slim that nice looking dogs too

I have caught good many hogs with just one really loose baying dog I think some hogs do set up better like that and some that don't I know some people that just hunt one or 2 loose baying dogs and catch some big hogs

Nice dogs fellas. Mine are cur cat cross and a cat male. All are loose. My cat male would be Cobb ruff if with another, but I've tried my hardest to keep em loose. Nothing against ruff dogs tho. My good buddy runs rough stock. He catches good hogs, but gets way more cuts downs on his stock.

Smart fast rough dogs that bay if needed and make a hog pay for trying to run catch with another dog or when I show up.

Nice to see folks with "reality" in tack. 


 To tell the truth Judge and THD, you guys dogs aren't "stopping" hogs they are mauling them on sight.  There is a big difference in dogs that find and bay hogs and dogs that find and catch hogs.    Both work fine and it's up to hunter preference but the topic is about "stopping" hogs that run.   I thought I was going to hear a out dogs that could run one down and "stop" him in his tracks.   Anyone on this site can throw together a gang of alligators and maul hogs in places the hogs are thick.   

Ummm last i checked catching a hog is the same as stopping him. You just love stirring chit. Completely worthless

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Haaaaaaaaaaa lol I ain't never seen a hog that got caught that didn't get stopped first.

I agree Justin haaaaaaaaaaa. It don't make a dang how u stop them loose ruff are singing them to sleep lol

 



Stopping a hog that is running away is an entirely different chore than mauling one that is standing still.     And no I don't like stirring the pot, I just don't hold off if I have an opinion.   The only problem with me is some folks don't do well when in the presents of someone with a spine.   Maybe "public message boards" are just a little to mentally tough on some.  Have you tried golf, it's a peaceful way to spend spare time I hear.  And no one will say mean and hurtful things to you.

Give me a break, running your head on the internet is just about ghe most spinless thing you can do. You are a complete joke.

All you do is run other people down and talk moise on here. Ive been reading the nonsense you post for the past week, not a damn bit of it has been constructive, you take cheap shots at other members constantly and when they call you on it you completely change the subject.....you are the absolute deffinition of an internet hawg dawger, you know everything about everything about everything.....clown.

Nothing against no one so don't jump down my throat! I'm a loose type dog kinda guy. So yall consider catching a hog, stopping it? I see yalls point because yalls dogs are rough. So to me, in my eyes a rough dog is catchy.  But say he's big! And yall for whatever reason (hit a pack ) only have one dog on this hog. Like I would. Period. Your telling me that they are gunna catch em if he breaks??? Cracker if your reply was if he runs make em pay. So it'll catch??? Like I posted the other day. I've never hunted open dogs are extremely rough dogs. I'd love to see!

this is the style I like as well...I used to keep a pack of these dogs...but at least with mine...in the thick briars sometimes they caught him and sometimes he broke and ran before the dogs could set up to hold him...the hog breaks and runs to the next thick patch and when the dogs show up he breaks and runs again to the next one...in the heat of the summer with high humidity and the thick weeds between thick patches and the dogs will finally over heat...but catch him in the open woods or open country and the hog wasn't going anywhere...

I did know that these dogs stopped more hogs working alone because they put enough teeth to make the hog pay attention and only grab if the hog tried to run...but I like running my dogs more than trying to catch every hog...do not get me wrong...I would like to catch every hog started but not always the case...

this has been the hardest part ever to try and breed into a dog for me...there is a fine line between too gritty and not gritty enough...IMO what usually happens is that some dogs go in and nip and back out...2 dogs get to doing it and the hog will get nervous, breaks bay and runs...this is about how I see it...

loose bay dogs that have that cow sense probably might be the best bet...but I like the rougher dogs...make my adrenaline flow...

Art I have loose dogs and very catchy dogs they would make cd for most general purpose. Now if you send one loose dog out which I have done many times. The hog runs two hrs later the dog STOPS the hog it is now bayed you get there with your catch dog get 30 yards away cut your catch dog and catch the hog game over. Now your hunting with two rough dogs that catch they strike a hog it runs the dogs stop it and catch it what the difference other than you had one on a lead. The mission got done. I get cut dogs but not many most are very minor. You know if you show up to the gas station in a junky car people talk smack if you have rough dogs they talk smack if you do good at your job they talk smack if you post what you think on this site they talk smack. Don't bother me in the least haters going to hate


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Ok reading back, bay smart when needed. It's just hard to learn anything from rough type hunting guys when everybody can't get along lol opinions are opinions- I don't consider a dog catching a hog stopping it. I consider that catching it. But that's just my 2 penny's but who am i? Just like my type. I don't consider my dogs stopping these hogs either, my bulldog is catching. there just not putting the pressure on them. theyll  just keep em in a place held for however long they need to till I can seal the deal. And this could be hours depending if they got out of pocket and ended up where not need to be. I'm not a trasspasser, but it happens to everybody

Good point reuben. My packer isn't going to get any bigger if I can bring every hog to the house. Or act like I dang sure can.  I like seeing dog work period. Long short. Ruff loose, strait catch, hairy or mangy. Yall have a good night I don't wanna start amother 12 page essay.

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I am flattered you spent your time re-reading all my old post.  You will probably be a lot smarter now.  I haven't gotten time to read back thru all you posts but I can assure you it's on my "to do" list.   Ha ha ha.      Listen I guess I'm gonna have to draw you guys a picture because your not smart enough to figure it out.  THIS IS ALL A JOKE TO ME!!!!!    I don't give a damn what is put on this site, I have my ways and I will do things my way.  End of story!!!   I get enjoyment out of watching mental weaklings get all stirred up and throw fits like babies so the sooner you guys start acting like I don't bother you the sooner I will get bored with poking at you.   If anyone is basing their hunting and breeding programs after what folks put on these sites and not their own experience then they are in for a rude awakening.   This is strictly entertainment and if you taking it to serious I feel for you.  I learned this a long time ago.    So hear is some advice, take 2 midol, put in a panty liner and call us in the mourning.     Ha ha ha ha.   Take care guys!

Wait, before I run off. I use to run one loose dog with two gators. Because that was when I couldnt afford a good gps for my dogs and I'd almost use my loose dog as a locater. I got tired of seeing some shredded and some not. All in or all out! I went the cheaper route. Not as many vet bills. And now even less vet bills because I run one strike dog. So I kno for a fact itll be loose. I been there done it. But just cause my dogs were ruff, didn't mean they'd catch every thing. "Bay smart crap" If so my lizard would be draggin.

Awwww looks like i struck a nerve.

Rip his nuts out we stop big hogs on a regular basis and not by mauling them with a bunch of dogs usually one dog finds and stops the hog if its small or soft I want it caught personally don't see the need in running sows.If it's rank then I want my cur dog to back up and wait for help if it tries to run I want its nuts ripped out and be forced to sit.They do catch big hogs way out sometimes and sometimes we loose them not saying that we stop every hog but I like high percentages of the hogs stopped.Most of the time two dogs is enough to handle any hog and just because they're rough doesn't mean they're stupid they still live long hog hunting careers and stop plenty of rank boars by themselves.These are the dogs I like to be behind just my personal preference.

Cracker,  that's what I was just fixing to say .  A loose find dog and a loose real but ripper if it gets to take off.  The problem may be Art is finding that just right baying NUT RIPPER!  Are run a pack of nut rippers back off types.

Yep you really got me fired up!!   I don't know how I'll sleep tonight.   Look kid I don't get too worried about Internet losers.  This message board stuff is nothing more than killing extra time and judging by the fact you have made 5793 posts on here you may need to get a life.  Take care

Lol i love it, such a clown.

I have seen more tight baying loose dogs get killed or banged up then don't give a dam dogs. Here is why I think this is so the tight baying loose dog bays from 5 feet or so it is in shot gun ally the hog can wind up and pop the dog the I don't give a dam dog goes ahead and catches the hog and takes controll. This is very effective with two or 3 dogs not 6 that many will coz trouble. Now if a dog bays from 15 feet he should never get hit


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My cassi dog in particular will bay about 20 ft away lol she and her sister are small 40-45 lb range and can get in there and grab a set when needed. They use to get shredded. I put a dang best on them and it made it worse. Now they done backed up and got smart. I've caught more hogs now then when they were cobs. Idk

Art never forget to pay FAR more attention to what you have seen with you own two eyes than what you read on these sites.   

We use to never run vest.  After so many bad cuttings and some killed.  I invested in P&P custom vest I had made.  From then till now no more killed dogs and very very little cutting.  So the dang good vest made a world of difference around my place.  I don't run light bay vest these where made heavier but not quit as heavy as a reg CD  vest.

Heard good feed back on the p&p never tried one tho. I made the switch to hard core hogs best and really enjoy them. Only on my bulldogs tho.  I'll be honest. I removed best on my strike dogs and slowly removed cut collar. Now, Only track collar and name plate collar. And like I said, they be back talking lol. If I'm running a young dog that hasn't learned yet I'll put something on him to help out. But so far so good. I enjoy reading everything. Seems like a lot of people are running ruff dogs now. I thinks it pretty cool both ways out. At the end of the night. I enjoy seeing all dogs working. I enjoy being there ride to the woods

Jimmy that's the key good vest makes the difference but to each his own. Do it how ever you can get it done I won't knock some for there methods might be the way I do it. Just becuze it ain't what Tom dick and Harry say don't mean crap. I have respect for all methods 


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I use pnp on dogs that need a vest the rest just get cut collar.   


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I was really surprised myself.  Tell you why we had some old junk vest we tried and they made no difference at all.  Once I got the custom vest great made that made all the differences around here.  I also think the right fit has a lot to do with it.  I have seen some dogs vested and in no way they fit the dog made the dog look plum funny and really hinder the dog more than protect him.

That's a big 10/4, If I ever decided to skin the cat a different way. I'll have to try me out some of them vest

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Ya'll mins postin pics if these vests you are using? I have come VERY close to buyin one for my main dog but i just cant talk myself into spendin the money and for one reason or another the vest not fittin right. Dont want any thing to hinder him.

I use hardcore hog dog bay vest on these younger rougher dog haven't had any problems with getting one to fit em good haven't had any of rub my dogs and they can move swim everything just fine. They have done saved me from so vet bills and my young male being out of business or dead so has done payed for it self in my book. I am like you I don't want loose this male at young age(http://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20160419/d02cf76106a3e3668d31acc858e61f87.jpg)that is the bay vest

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Nice best, I see no wrong in the hard core best. For the money, how light they are you can't beat me. Sure beat a custom collar vest huh judge?........

Vest! damn spell check

*Can't beat them!

With the 2 dogs I posted. That red gyp is a bay dog, tried and true. Usually run her naked, normal collar and tracking collar and she will bay loose but hang off a pigs azz if he wants to run. That brindle dog, I hardly ever run on the ground because he is straight catch and also the longest range dog I have, kick him out and you better hope there is pigs around cause if not you won't ever see him. So I use him really just as another lead in, some crop work here and there or if I am hunting with buddies who use real catchy dogs.. So I guess the red gyp is my hog stopper really, but if they won't bay up for her, that brindle dogs getting unclipped and they ain't gonna run too fast with him on their ear and that red dog will jump with him.

I use vests on 2 dogs and they have been saved by the running vest...there are 2 feed stores in my area and one sells theirs for quite a bit more than the other feed store...so that made my decision fairly easy...I buy the cheap ones for 55 to 65 bucks each...I take my dog that needs a vest to the feed store and try the vest on the dog out in the parking lot and buy the best fitting one...no complaints here...

Art, you get the pictures I sent

No, try 512-815-8569 this phone never has issues

I take back what I said last night. Now thinking about it. I use a old custom collar vest I got for $60 3 years ago on all my started Bulldogs that have come along and even let a couple buddies slap it on when they need it. It's taking the hits. For the money ain't bad.

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Just kiddin on the little white dog, just thought I'd slide it in there. . He's my little fishing buddy

Thats a fine looking bulldog Sambo, is he a lead in?

Cracker I have seen these nut rippers work, Blastin has one that will rip there nuts or a$$ right out. Ive only seen her on one but dang she will just not quit. I am hoping to have a whole pack like that one day, that is the goal.

The one dog that I have seen that will relentlessly terrorize a hog hind end until he bays, Is Cscott's "yeller" dog. From what I've seen that dog is the definition of "gets rough when he needs to"


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Rednose, he is my little cur x pit mix. He can be lead in or used as a RCD. He also hunts and has caught about a dozen one out finder holder style. My Swiss army knife of hog dogs. Send him a lot from distance on hogs that are bad runners/bay breakers if I trust the dogs on the ground to help catch. He's straight catch with the ability to hunt also.

Dang Paris hilton. I mean art henry. That little white dog looks all buisness.  ;D just kidding.  We got a little fishing buddy to.

      Hunting with just 1 or 2 catch dogs is different than having more or a none catch dog at the catch.    Big pigs will most often settle down after the initial hook up and so will the dogs.  It's just kinda a calm event you walk up to.  The bigger the pig usually the calmer things are after the first 10 or so seconds.       
    Things are not calm however when you add in a dog that's not a catch dog.  They will bark, bite, and harass the pig instead of hold it like the other catch dog or dogs.  Anything caught not on the ear will generally keep the pig at a state of high stress and unrest and will result in none stop fighting from the pig.   This is where your mauling comes in.               
     As far as catch dogs that don't hunt and stay at your feet, if that's the case, why do people have to keep them on a lead at their feet or in a box?      Lots of people can't let the cd's down or they go yonder way.   I understand that they are carried for more than just this but this is a big reason why also.

Same principle  I hog dog by is whats primarily been said by TexasHogDogs and Judge.  You want an emmediat catch.  They idea is not have the pig run anywhere once it's found by the dogs.  Most of the time this is the case.   I however choose a different kinda dog to hunt.   One that's much larger.  Upwards of 85 and prefer 100 to 110# but got to be agile, tall, faster than 30 mph, good endurance, and tolerate the heat hell.    Does little good to breed catch dogs ment for this line of work that are effected heavily by the heat and have poor endurance.       Consistently I read where feral pigs run at speeds of 20 and 30 mph depending on the pig.   To have short races if a race is what it turns into, you would need a dog that can hit and sustain speeds of over 30 mph.   I shoot for no slower than 35.   A slower dog still does ok for finding and holding.  Heck I used my old pit as a finder holder for a while.  She didn't have the speed to catch a runner on her own but she didn't have any problem finding pigs and usually hooked up.  She was never hurt like this, only time she ever suffered injures was when I used her as a lead in.

During races,  my dogs will go straight for the ear in the open such as crop hunting.   In dense cactus an trees they will bite them on the rear and spin them most often then grab the ear.  In thick stuff it's either they get hooked up before the pig bolts or the odds are good the pig makes good on its excape. 

Oh I've been called a lot worse Georgia. He don't just look, he is! I can't hardly let go him go feed the horses with me. First off the poor fella try's to nip at the horses feet. And it'll eventually happen he'lol get stepped on. Then I won't have no one to go fishing with and listen to all my bs! And no talk back. He fest stared off bring the piss out of the horses. They didn't mind it for the first few times. Now they see em and its game on. Who's getting who first lol. My Amerigo pup and tha little sucker go at it non stop. He won't back down I wish he was about 70lb heavier lol

Baying

Sambo do you know kory from LRA


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What's his last name judge? I've heard of a few korys and may have hunted with one a while back.

I hear about a Kory Adcock all the time and may have met before but can't remember. As much as I hear his name I'm surprised I've never met or hunted with him.

Just my 2 cents on the vest subject...
My buddy bought 2 hard core vests and within a month nearly all the stitching on the trim tore out and the front of the vests both stuck out about 4" from the dogs neck, not good protection in my book, I'm not knocking Spiehler and his product cuz it may work for him and others and the vests my buddy got may have been just a bad order but me personally I don't like them. For me I have always used Tejas, I think they make the best vests, never had a problem with them and they hold up extremely well.

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Ya that's him Adcock he is good dude


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He hunts with ol Tate and shep some times


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I withdraw my submission of those red and brindle dogs. They couldn't get one hemmed up today. Flooded pine thicket had them spinning their wheels while the hogs were swimming away


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Judge, I've definitely heard of him and hear good things. A buddy I've been hunting a little more with here lately knows him pretty well so I'm sure we will meet soon. I like ol Shepard and Tate. Hunted with both of them a few years ago at a tournament. I was Cody whitish helper. I've hunted with Tate 2 other times since then with my buddy gentry barker. Fun to hunt with them two.

2 ways  of catching a runner. Catch it before it has a chance to run or catch it when it decides to stop. I prefer the first.

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Hard to run with a 65lb leggy dog hanging onto your ear !!!

That's a good looking dog buddy lee

What's the breeding on that dog and what brand is that vest?


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What would keep you from catching a pig while it's running?

Briars, swamps, creeks, corn stalks, wheat stalks,etc.

I don't have much problem running down pigs in most of that stuff with the exception of the briars.       My dogs are bred with speed being a huge consideration and a must.  If the struggle to quickly overtake a fast pig then more speed needs to be added back in to the next generation

Black streak what kind of nose do those dogs of yours have, how cold of a track can they in all reality take?

I'm with Corbell. Whether 3 dogs string one out or one loose dog backs up and bays the hog is stopped. Different terrain calls for different type dogs

I like both betters your odds and like said terrain can't tell you what's best


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Now I ain't ever caught tons of hogs or had the best dogs but they got me by. The way we started huntin we walked hunted big tracks a government land and the hogs were gonna run. I preferred mine to back up and bay just because they were liable to be 2 miles from me when they got it stopped and it might take me a while to get there. My male dog would catch but he was dumb about it