EAST TEXAS HOG DOGGERS FORUM

Was thinking about getting back into hog dogging. Reason i got out was dogs running hogs for 4 miles and not stopping which wasnt much fun to me especially after bad run in with landowners. I was thinking about getting short range dogs that i would maybe walk hunt or ride on my horse having dogs circle around me at 100-200 yards. Thinking of having 2 or 3 very rough dogs that would b willing to put teeth on one. Maybe run cut collar and vests on them. Just curious if anyone hunts like this or similiar.

That style can catch a ton of hogs if your hunting where there are good numbers.


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Yessir, ive killed 15 hogs with my rifle on our place in last month so numbers arent a problem. I kno i can get on fresh hogs just needing to stop them n not run past 50 hogs on my place chasing a few 4 miles.

Yea I have caught lots of hogs this way in hawaii you have to walk up and down mountains so u can't have a dog baying miles away and you have to walk to it we ran cat/gray hound over gs/wippet

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This is exactly how I started hog hunting in the mid 90's.  2-3 FL cur dogs that mixed with bulldog.  Walked or shined orange groves; turned dogs loose- lots of caught hogs real quick.  Unfortunately- lots of cut up dogs sometimes too.

Thats a cool vid, you can definitely see the sight hound crossed over bulldog with a few of those dogs.

A good hog hunter who is also a good woodsman, should be able to take a good pair of rough cur dogs anywhere and catch hogs. I prefer mine to be stock bred. ;)

If you don't want to be running pigs then don't hunt with a dog that isn't straight catch.       2 fast cd's is plenty sufficient for catching and holding the biggest of boars. 

 garmin solved the  problem .... now days you can teach a dog to come when toned so  you can control where or how far  they run ..... when a bay busts sometimes our bulldogs run for a mile or two so just cause  you get ruffer dogs don't mean you want get off the property you have  to hunt ....the right garmin set up may be good for  you for whatever you hunt for staying where you need to stay ....

Reason your bulldogs are running pigs so far is there lack of speed not hardness.       Speed alone doesn't stop races nor does hardness by itself.   You must combine the two.         Deerhound x dogo type dog.   
       Take a fast pig to the middle of any size feild then turn it loose.  Wait till the pig books it half way  across  the feild before turning 1 "fast" catch dog to  run it down and catch.      If the pig cleared the feild where was the failure?    Speed or hardness?  Most likely lack of speed.  If the dog did overtake the pig but didn't catch it then it's lack of hardness that allowed the pig to clear the feild.  This dog to me is not much of a catch dog since it requires  a second dog  to get there and assist.    I

come show me .... everybody gets out run on a perty regular basis .....

Come show you?  You come to me and you bring the fastest pig you can and I'll gladly  show you.        I ain't gonna travel all over the country doing demo's  but you pit in the effort to get here and I'll show you.      What you gonna see is i dont use the common car to run the  Nascar circuit.     You can talk about sipping you grocery getter up all day long with your friends and trying to when but all it is is wishful thinking.    To truely earn a spot in the that kinda of competition  takes entirely different class of vehicle.  Same with dogs and catching pigs like I do.       
    As far as everybody being out run yeah I guess.   I'm sure if Nascar let mom in with her grocery  getter and finish 2/3rds of the race before the vehicles designed for such a race even got the go signal, yeah mom everybody  got outran.   Unless the race is allowed to continue  across the finish the property line, which brings us full circle to the reason for this thread.    How to catch pigs before they get off your permission.         
    You can go rough  and double down  and go rougher  but your still racing with a grocery getter.  Stopping the pig with a rough bay dog is not the end of the race.   The end is when the catch dog is swinging. 
   The kinda catch dogs I run are faster than your curs.     If your cd would be an embarrassment on the greyhound track, stopping pigs with a cd is something your only gonna talk about and not do consistently  cause even in wide open spaces your cd  struggles to keep up same pace with a pig.        Your bay dog can keep pace but when is this race over?  When the cd is swinging!
     Leave the bay dogs out of the hunt and you won't have busted bays.  Hunt with just the typical catch dog and you will get outrun in embarrassing fashion.     What gives?  Got to look outside the traditional American pig dogging style to answer this question correctly
       

Do you have any pics of your dog's and the breed I'd love to see them I know you know alot about rcds I see your name in all the rcd and rough dog questions

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I have tons of pics of dogs, them on pigs.    Send me your number  in a pm and I'll send you pics the likes of which you rarely ever see here

I've seen quite a few pics from dean. Had a few good conversations with the man. If he doesn't know what he's talking about when it comes to his dogs, well he sure has me fooled. He's got some good pictures


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Bullygreys from Australia, speed for days and grit to make them quit.

https://youtu.be/anvgf82Hblg

I appreciate that.   I been catching lot of pigs this summer 5 to 12 a week.   6 being yesterday's catch.   That's a decent day in this heat especially with my main dog in the panhandle being bred.   I haven't been taking time to get pics like I used to on count of the heat  but now the dogs are starting to role out to find and catch another while I tie the first, if they were not caught on seperated pigs.     Since they feel good enough to role out they can stay hooked up for a while longer while I watch and observe and take pics.     I just swapped a great stag type gyp for very well bred ready to start finder holder bred male.  Now that I have him to train and evaluate and have a vest built for him, I'll need to watch him and evaluate his style for the correct vest style which means lot more of them good pictures.

Where are you located?

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Graham / Jacksboro TX area

I couldn't judge a catchdog in an open field ....we  hunt ruff briar patches and  row planted pines with head  high briars and myrtle bushes mixed ....god ain't made a dog that can out run a 200 pound boar that don't want to be out run through it .....damn  my old jerry dog could suck one up cross and open field seen him do it several times cross rice fields ....hey man I'm sure  you have  some nice  dogs ....   you the one  crowed about how I needed different dogs to catch with and  you have  no idea where or  what kind  of country I hunt ...so how would me watching you turn a hog loose in a field tell  me anything about what it would do here  in this  mess ......bring  your  dog here we'll try and  bay one  and  you send  your  dog ...thats hog hunt'n for me anyway and no use  for me  to look at  anything else ...

    If your cd can't  make up the distance and catch a pig before it gets out of the feild how do you expect it to chase one down in the brush where the pig has the advantage?     If your bay dog can't hold a pig at bay in a feild while you walk up to it with your lead in cd, how you expect your bay dog to hold one at bay in the brush where the pig can excape the dog.    If you have dogs that can do this, then at least they have the physical capabilities to begin with.       Common is the thought process of fast dogs are no good in the brush cause it just slows them down.   Well that's true, it does slow them down but it slowed the slow dogs down to that were at a disadvantage to begin with.       

     Pigs that are started with a bay dog can take you and the cd anywhere it wants.     To hunt pigs in your country I would simply just use finder holders.    A dog that bays that finds a pig in the brush barks 3 times to see the pigs vanish and hear them running through crap they can't get through.    A finder holder finds this same pig and instead of introducing itself to the pig with a bark, attaches itself to the pig.    This pig didn't run on the bay dog before it started barking 9 times out of 10, I promis!    Also pigs that escape through the brush are normally found close to it, not in the stuff they used to escape the dog.    So what if they are and the catch dog misses and the pig escapes, same thing would have happened with a barking dog.       You bark at high pressured pigs close to cover and it's bye bye pig.  You catch the pig close to cover and your tying it close to cover.   Simple really.   My dogs catch them in thick stuff.   My dogs also get beat in thick stuff but no more than my old baydogs did.     Once in a while I could catch a pig in the open where it was started.  Now I catch 90 percent of my pigs in the open where they are started.  Oh I can hunt the thick stuff and do fine but I don't need to look for pigs there unless it's in the heat of the day.   
     

I looked at your history  on here and other posts just to see if this is  just something you feel strongly about or are you controversial  and seemed to be the latter ......and that's ok .....I perty much hunt  like 90% of the other hog hunters  do ......and  i'll let you have  this ..... oh  here's a picture  of one  of  my old dogs  I bred this line  with and he could run ...especially in an open field and thought he needed to kill every hog he got after ....(https://scontent-dft4-2.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/14199335_187186618368357_4002042467192774179_n.jpg?oh=30afa20dfdddb7f734e81d6627541420&oe=5883B019) hey man good  luck  to ya ....

So you tell the author of this thread rougher dogs don't keep you from chasing pigs off the property a d you use slow bulldogs to make your point?    And you call me controversial.     Then you tell me about a dog you once had that was so rough and run so fast he sucked them up and killed them yet you tell the author rougher don't stop them but site me an example of what you think could work for what I'm describing.     Your telling one person one thing and telling me you been there and done that and showing me a pic of a dog to prove your point that dogs like that do exist.   And I'm the one controversial.   
       I find it rather difficult to take you at your word on that dog because you bend any which way the wind blows to try to make your point and in doing so you disprove others you have made in the same thread about the same style of dog.        Then try to bow out with grace lol.   Fascinating!

nothin like a good ol ethd pecker measurin contest to get yer monday started  ;D

And leave it to black streak to be the one fluffin up everybody's damn hair to! It blows me away, at some of the people that have been deleted on here with there realistic knowledge. And this ass is still on here!
So why can't this fella run some other strait catchin dogs other than what your bringing to the table. If it strait catch and of a different breed, no matter if it's pure, or crossed, probably with a better nose, why wouldn't it work?? When it comes to catching the hog, and thats it. Catching the damn hog. Why does it have to be what your hunting to get this perticular job done? Just this one job. Because that's what he wants, to get the job done. Before he gets out of pocket. There are plenty of ways other than what you got bubba. It ain't barking period. All its doing is shaking the woods around and then smack! Why wouldn't anything strait catch not work???
If you can convince me, I'll go home and pull necks.
Because I've caught a number 2 ton of hogs in my life with loose dogs. And slow ass Bulldogs of what your calling slowin 25 acre tracks and up to 100 acre tracks. And up to 1000's of acre tracks with them same lame dogs. And I WILL SHOW YOU! Let me know? And believe me, they have bad days and don't catch everything.
And I can promise you, it'll take more than a phone call and a picture to convince me.
I don't have nothing against your style of hunting, so don't for one second even let that get between your ears. All I am saying is I ain't buying your ticket, especially in some of this country around my places. It's tough hunting. Period

re read what I posted ...the person was saying he had a bad  run in with landowners  meaning the dogs  must have run on someone elses property ...all I was saying was  there is quite a few people that started using there garmin trainer feature and  just  tone them and they'll quit and come back off property you may not need to be  on cause  that's all some  folks have  to hunt ....just simply a  suggestion .....  you come here or most places in east texas and  you'll get your rear  out run  like the rest of us  does ..... just go watch the video's on youtube I see your style dogs running hogs for a half mile across wide open fields before they catchup ....and  nobody is gonna  show all the times they don't catch  nothing ...... anyway I'd like to see em come to this  country and  hunt in short britches  ......

I said convince me, but I'm nobody. No need to even think of how.
I know there are more ways to do this job other than what you got.
I've actually let dogs go, that did just what yours do. Mite not of been as fast, but did the same damn thing. Catching on site. They weren't bred nothing like what you got neither buddy.

I think he's saying a pit or ambd can run pigs down the way his dogs can and I think that's true why cus a bulldog is short and not very fast and also they are not built for running or having bottom I ran the same type of dogs he did because I ran rcds and bulldogs were to slow to suck up a runner and if they had to hold a pig for a long period of time they would heat stroke we walk hunt in hawaii you can't lead a bull dog around for 10 miles on foot in a vest you can find other dogs to hold pigs or run down pigs but the type I have had luck with in thick up and down mountains in hawaii is wippet/grayhound/cat/shepherd we tried to put a bull dog In there but had problems with the bottom if I see your bulldog or any type of strait catch dog like it do the work that mines do I'll eat my words and say dam fine job but I have not seen it happen that's why when  a pig brakes u try to get your bull dog back so it don't stroke our or go and get its self or other dogs killed

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Hyan, man I'm not dogging that style of dogs. Not even a little bit. I'm sure that type of dog works very well in those terrains.
But back to the original post, small tracks of land. Find and catch. You won't be miles away in his situation. All I'm saying is there more ways to get this exact job complete. That is it.

When I first started hunting some 13- so years ago. I didn't even own a phone much less a camera. I was a youngster. I use to dog, with a man that all he owned were walker/pit cross dogs. You wanna talk about a dog leggy, damn good nose and would latch onto anything not even a fart noise made. They would catch and hold long as needed. We hunted 30 acres up to 3500 acres of some nasty country. On horses, wheelers or foot. On foot mostly. Them dogs did it all with ease. I owned 2 of them dogs myself. I've seen true finder holder type dogs first hand that weren't his breed of dog. I realized it wasn't my style of Nothing against it neither. There are different dogs to accomplish this task

I'm the one that is encouraging the guy to hunt with a catch dog Art.  Parker is the one that's saying rougher don't make the race shorter cause he said his bulldogs have chased pigs for miles or more.   Really don't take much intelligence to see why a bulldog would have to chase a running pig for a mile or more. So before Mr Parker could finish his victory lap,  I pointed out that it wasn't the hardness of the bulldogs that enabled the pig to run so far but there lack of speed to catch up to it.   Your so blinded by hate just at the thought of my name you start making stuff up and can't read correctly

I like short range rough dogs. It don't really matter the DNA of the dog if it gets the job done. I like curs and cats and I like them rough. There is no set dog or style that ends every hog race. Every one has there own opinion on this and I have mine. I would rather the dogs stop the hog right off but sometimes it don't go down that way regardless of what dogs you have. No matter what dogs u have or style all shoes don't fit


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Art  you are so full of yourself.    You had a dog like mine but wasn't bred like mine and wasn't as fast.  What?  Then you got rude of it lol no wonder.  Sounds like regular catch dog.  They catch in site.      Yall Crack me up

You big talkers want to get together for a demo.  You bring a dog that you think can run a pig down in a feild and catch it.  I'll supply the pigs.  You bring $100 deposited for the pig you draw.  If your dog catches and you take possession  of the pig, get your deposited back.  You don't keep pig, pigs mine.  If your pigs gets away you have to confess to the forum that you talk smack you can't back up and admire your dog can't stop a runner in the open which means it dang sure can't in the thick stuff.   220 acre feild.  I supply the can am maverick for you to go  get to the caught hog and take posesdion.  Pig gets a realistic half way to the brush head star.  Your dog holds the pig 30 seconds before you can take off on my mavrick.      Come on big talkers let's see who talks crap and who don't.   Bet I don't have one person mad enough or serious enough to take me up

How many people hunt in a field???

How about you bring your dogs and let's drop them in a 5,000 to 10,000 pine plantation that's so thick you can't stick your finger into it and see how they do???

I know exactly how they'll do...

 ....everybody gets out run even if you had a vest on  Secretariat at times  he would get out run ....you damn sure don't catch every pig your dogs get on streak .......all  I said was even ruffer  dogs may get off the property you trying to stay on so you just may try the garmin trainer  like some people do in tight places .... that's all that's  it no bodies  is better  or  anything  just that  is all I said .... I have  no use for a dog you have  to turn loose on a pig running cross a field .....  

I hunt rough curs and have a few smaller tracts that I hunt for people. I have success with the Garmin alpha as well.You can catch plenty of hogs like this and keep your dogs safe.My dogs have decent bottom and when I can let them go I do the technology of the alpha really allows you to hunt Any size property within reason like a couple hundred acres.

I'm full of myself??? I don't run my damn head on here telling people that the only way to end a situation is to hunt like me, or use dogs like me and bash and point out flaws of there damn dogs! Period!
You're a 100% right mine, I never touch a dang filed! I doubt my plugs even know what a field looks like! Now your demo consist of runnin a hog down? Come one dude earlier you were running your damn head about catchin on site! I know how to read! Now it's about running one down in a open field! like Oconee once said! Your dogs won't work where hogs are thin and in thick country! I promise you!!!!! Yah long story short. I had dogs that were bred to track and catch! They weren't the long haired legged dogs you run. What about that is hard to understand? They did the same number 2, weren't your damn breed of dog. But did the same damn thing! Same as some of JP's dogs, same as the cracker fellas dogs. I've had em, not no more! Any more clarification?

Lots of people are going to feilds to strike pigs on.  They just don't  catch there.    My point to all this is to prove I have better dogs for catching pigs in feilds than most, it's to show people why they have no chance at stopping a runners race in the brush if there dogs can't do it in the open.     
    Why then are dogs catching pigs in the brush when they couldn't shut them down before they got there?    This is my point I shifted to .     If you can't answer this question or at least realize it, then how can you a dress people with questions about running pigs and how to negotiate them.            I went back to the very basics of catching pigs in a crop feild to try to get people to see what  is or isn't taking place in the thick stuff.  I'm doing my best to simplify  this but still not many are  grasping it.       

You better calm down before you get kicked off.  Cussing me and calling me names is no way to  come to an understanding.    You only go backwards with that kinda attitude.     You can't learn and you can't  see past your hatred and you dang sure can't articulate your point like that.     When you get upset like that, the other had beaten you.    Maybe it's better you don't try to do others fighting for them cause you aren't doing anything other than making a fool of yourself and disrespecting the platform in which you have to speak

I hunt with similar type dogs that Black Streak does. You can look at some of my old posts to see them. My opinion on mine is this - they are a tool in my toolbox while hunting. I can honestly say that 100% I drop them in an open field we catch pigs.

If they are right on a hogs arse in thick brush (10 yards or less) they are probably 75%. Thick brush here being mostly briars.

I don't even turn them into a bay in thick brush. Their speed is negated in that situation and that's why I use them, is for their speed in certain situations. I find that they get burned just as much as my bulldog in the thick stuff.

Jsh  do you use yours for Finding hog's in the woods or do you use curs?If so how do yours hunt in comparison to a good Cur as far as nose  ,range ,drive and bottom and overall hog finding ability? I only ask because I have interest in these dog's but have never hunted behind any. Thanks.

Before I cut you loose streak, I'm going to tell you. You ain't gunna tell me what I better do! Period!
I'll tell you this. Since all sudden you changed over to speed. Your dogs, in thick country are average dogs. There speed in is no longer nothing in places like Mike is talking about. There eyes are no longer a tool, all nose, bottom To try in keep up! I doubt this fella that started this post, I going to be hunting football fields. Jsh just answerd everything I needed to know.
Like I told hyan earlier. I have nothing against the dogs.
Telling me I look like a fool, don't bring thunder, if you can't take the rain!
Later Dean!

I have run my dogs in some nasty stuff and they did just fine I had shepherd in my dogs so they had nose to so if the pig seen my dogs and would run the in the woods before my dog got to them they would follow the sent down till they seen the pig once that happened any thing that the pig went through my dogs did to from sugar cane fields to cat claw walls

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I never had a problem catching hogs in open land. If one ever broke out in a pasture, my curs would suck him up in short order. They could stop one without catching and keep it bayed 'till I got there. Thick brush and swamps negated raw speed and the dogs had to rely on track speed and perseverance to get the job done. Even the very best would get beat sometimes.
   I tried running dogs and crosses and was always disappointed in performance for the country I hunted. If I had lots of open land with bunches of hogs, running dogs would be fun to have. Growing up, I enjoyed running Jackrabbits with Greyhounds.

Where do yall find all this open land? I would love to hunt like that & be able to see the dogs run a hog down. I guess I will just have to settle for watching it on the Garmin.

I have caught very few hog in the open its just rare. I would love to it just don't happen very often. But when it does it's cool I got some fast dogs that are catchy. Main problem is fields ain't long enough. I just stay in the bush I work good in there


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I hunt rice fields sometimes though very seldom I ever bay out in it  there always  in the woods ....but I did bay a bunch on a levy one day ...here's what happened  in about 30 minutes w ith 3  curdogs and 2 short fat slow  bulldogs .......(https://scontent-lax3-1.xx.fbcdn.net/t31.0-8/14107880_188222041598148_8019083096477400602_o.jpg)

LH - I use strike dogs (plot/cur and curs). These stag crosses can track and catch. In cooler weather I'll let them hunt more and have sent them into woods on hot tracks and they've done fine. I'm not trying to reinvent the wheel with them, just got tired of watching hogs in the open run by. A good friend of mine has lots of open land to hunt and it's not uncommon at all to see them trying to sneak out across a pasture.

10/4 thanks for the response Jsh.

Parker my hole  point  I'm wanting people to ask themselves is exactly the point you just made on this post.           *why did the dogs not catch or bay upthe pig or pigs in the open but we're able to when they hit to the woods or brush*            The answer to this question and how it relates to not being able to stop those runners in the brush that give others fits is what I'd like to address and been trying this hole time.  First we must understand why the dogs are not doing it in the open in order to understand why they aren't able to do it in the brush.


     Knowing the answer to this and why it's so much easier to bay most pigs in the brush or catch them once they get to the brush would probably be and interesting topic to transition to once we understand the first.

   My dogs run pigs down and catch in the brushy trashy  stuff that's littered with steep  and tall creek banks  fine, actually easier. With the exception in some areas that the brush is so thick rabbits can't run through.      That pigs is gone usually.        If they try to hunt to it  I usually have to call them back.  If the wind is calm I'll holler and call them back if they are close to someone else's  property line or just make there collars vibrate to pull them back.     Not that any of this matters to my point, just describing a little more about the dogs and me

   the 5 hogs was all caught out in the field ....an old dog trailed them out there and bayed them on a levy ....... you just have  no idea where some of us  hunt or  you would understand even you would have  to change  your style in different places ..... let one of your catchers  get ahold of a good 200 plus  pound boar  under  a treetop in a cutover and see what happens  to him or her without a full vest and no way to turn and bend as  you say with the hog like in an open field ....there's a reason why we  use  bulldogs and I do my best to use  2 ......

Do you know Teagarden?  I hear the same terminology in you that he uses also, plus yalls hunt styles and dogs seem very similar.

I hunt my dogs by having them wind pigs, my stags will wind them and go to them good, stags and finder holders alike.    I run one with another, Finder holders will generally  pull up and leave first but they hunt so well together that if one smells a pig the other dog can tell it in the other.   I don't put any of my dogs on tracks, they ain't hounds, they winding dogs like a strike dog rigged on a truck.  I share dogs with Josh and Paul, Josh mainly.   My hunt style and his are similar but not the same but we have the same dogs.  His dogs reflect his style, mine reflect mine eventhough they are littermates etc.      Now breed these finder holders differently for and you could take the differences even farther