EAST TEXAS HOG DOGGERS FORUM

Got a buddy who recently bought some and I would like to know more about them.


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Just like any hunting breed...but the good one's have a ton of bottom and hunt...some have awesome winding noses as well...I have two that are half Kemmer and they will run one 5 or 6 hours and a few of those hours in the heat of day...

My buddy said the same thing about his. His hasn't shown me anything. He says they are real deal though. But I will say he only has puppies. But I was told they had colder noses than plotts. So I tested that theory... I've seen one dog that was a crossed Walker Kemmer and plott cross that was the fastest hog dog I've hunted behind. Heck of a hog dog.


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yes sir i got one n she is a jam up dog.

I've hunted with a couple big game bred ones and they were real good dogs. Hot nosed winding type cur dogs, very quick and athletic and the couple I saw were open.

the gold nugget bred dogs have a good nose...about medium so not too cold...for me it is about right...the winding I have seen about a mile distance I perfect conditions and many times about 3/8th of a mile...I been around them since about 1990 so I know a little something about them...

nowadays there are those folks who breed the mt cur only for squirrel and it is getting harder to find a good line for big game...but the good ones can hunt with the very best and look good doing it...

I don't like pure kemmer...I like crossing them with other larger type mt curs like the busher bred dogs...the Texas Smoke bred were some of the best and bred that with gold nugget kemmers...

Reuben I would like to know for my own knowledge so I can try with my dogs, how do you know how far away something is that your dog is winding out in the woods? I know how to do it with tracks but not when they wind, how are you doing that?

Rednose I judge that distance by when the dog sounds off or jumps the rig till the first bark at first sight but like most things it's only a guess


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I see, but my question would be; you don't think that pig was already moving before that dog has barked for the first time? I guess that would partly depend on your dog too. I guess you could see on your garmin when they are starting to line out on a strike too but still wouldn't be able to tell when that pig started moving or not, but that is still a whole lot of speculation like you said. Really good info Judge and thanks for answering my question.

Rednose...I am pretty sure the hogs were feeding in one area or laying up...the distance is just an estimation...

The dog that picked his nose to the wind and turned in to it was  about a 1/4 Kemmer but almost pure mt. cur...I tell the ranch hand the hogs are in those neck of the woods about 3/8th mile...he says no they are way over at the other wooded area...I did not think so but he knew that big ranch like the back of his hand...turned out he was right...once we got about 3 or 4 hundred yards the dogs rolled out and went in the woods and busted them up...we only caught one out of that deal...the conditions were right including temperature and the wind was channeling nicely about 5 mph or  so...

The main thing about rig or hood dogs is the air temp and the time of the day. Not necessarily the speed and or direction of the wind the colder the air or early morning during the few the scent will be low to the ground later on the scent will rise. If a pig is in the wood where the temp is a bit warmer the scent will come up over the trees if you are rigging and are on a higher point then the pigs the dog will have a better chance versus the ground the dog will have to find the hog by track scent or bump him out. If you rig a lot you will see dog bark jump what ever of your rig haul but one way then mid stride cut the other way that's why. When they get closer to the scent they will move more in a hunting motion till they zero there game in


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Paying close attention to the dogs has a lot to do with their hunting habits...you see them winding g or wanting to work a track...stop and encourage them to do so...if you see the dogs winding and they get in the thick brush and they mill around 2 or 3 hundred yards and keep coming out...then we have to figure out what is happening and slowly work the dogs in the right direction...once they get the wind right again they can take over again...we can bring out the best out of them...

Rueben,
I don't like to talk about what I use to have but reading this post I can't help but speak up about a small built red tiger striped plot I had. The first breed of dog I ever owned besides catahoulas. He could do it all, I had a 16' alweld boat with a 40 horse Johnson on, me, my wife and old simba could run little river  as that 40 horse could push it and he could wind hogs up to 400 yards off the river bank little river is on average 150 yards wife. He was 100% 
Silent. Heck I thought all plots were until years later when I seen some more that some others guys had. Since then I've owned what I call another decent plot are two but none like him. Sorry for high jacking the kemmer thread.

Pigs are always moving unless there sleeping. The few kemmers I have seen where decent dogs. Few where open some have heavy noses. But most hunt good from what I have seen.


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10/4, most of the ones I've seen had a lot if hunt and hustle, but short range, what I call brush beaters. A old man I hunt with Davy Crockett has one he raised call him Rick, Rick is probably 7 years old now. He's not for all people are a bunch of different ways of hunting, but he does real good out of the boat with two rough dogs following him.

now letemroll , don't be feedin us no crap . we all know davy crocket died at the alamo in 1836 lol

Lol, I call him Davy Crockett but no that's not his name, just a nick name.

My friend is mainly what he runs is gold nugget bred dogs.  They have a lot of hustle in the woods. Pretty athletic dogs. But they say they have a better nose than the hounds I'm running I've seen a dog that was a plott And Kemmer cross and they crossed it tona Walker dog that was  a real deal hog dog. Super fast lots of hunt,grit, speed. And could find a hog well. I'm confused on how yours are bred.


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At one time I crossed the gold nugget dogs with texas smoke and bred mostly that...they were about as good as any I have seen...
If only I had one male from that line it would be easy breeding a pack from that one dog...

I now have a redbone pitbull cross who was bred to a gold nugget bred dog and I kept two of those pups which a quarter pit/redbone and 1/2 Kemmer (gold nugget)...I crossed one of those to a pocahontas plott gyp and now have 3 of those in my yard as well...

The ones my buddies have gold nugget is there grandpa bred forbear hunting.. I love the hustle they have to hunt though. They don't hunt as far out as my hounds but really make sure they did a good job in 300-400 yard circles.. I've got some Pocahontas blood on my yard right now I've got2 pups off of Eugene walkers dogs. And a pup off Cajuns dogs.


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I've seen that with big game bred dogs that they don't hunt out long range. I think that is because most big game hunters don't cast hunt. Most big game hunters I've seen bait for a track, look for tracks, or rig or road their dogs. So range is not something they do or do not breed for.

I was just wanting to know more about them. It was pretty hard for me to believe though when several people had told me they had a better nose than plotts. Lol. Where are you from Reuben?


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Plotthounds, Not all Plotts are gritty, cold nose or long range. Like every other breed there are certain strains that will be cold nose, gritty and long range. It depends on how & where you hunt that determines what you need and the amount of game that you have.  If you are loaded down with hogs you might not need a cold nose dog. The hard part is getting all those desirable traits in one dog.
  I have seen cur dogs that could compare to any cold nose hound out there but they are few & far between.

Yes Cajun exactly. But as for a whole classification of breeds most cur dogs are not gone have the nose of your hounds. Your hounds are bred more consistently to have that trait. Most places I'm hunting your dogs need to be pretty coldnosed or really hard hunting 400-700 yardsto catch 100 or more a year.. these hogs are spread out and wise. I have places where cold nosed dogs are needed but year round I can catch em with my coldnosed dogs in hard places. Not just the easy places.


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I am from southeast Texas...I like the nose of the big game mt curs...not too cold but cold enough...what I like best is that medium nose with good winding ability and a dog that has the knack to find game quickly...the mt curs I like best are those that hunt 3 to 4 hundred loops to each side as long as I am moving...if I stop these dogs will keep going until they find a hog...I have had more than a few I had to take the edge off of them or had to manage them with extra care and attention because they hunted for themselves and would really get out there...

but these dogs can be taught to use their nose to the fullest and to range out further just in the way we handle them...

I think if I had the pups he has I could make something out of them. I don't know if top notch he has got to learn how to train a young dog he's never done it before. I've trained all my dogs I'm using right now as 1-3 year old dogs. A lot of the time it matters a lot on how much time you spend working with them and making em better. I've given him a pup off my dogs which he has been asking me to have one off. And I gave him one. I have kept one for my self too. 9 times out of 10 mine will end up being the best outta of the litter cause of time I spend working and bettering him. He's got to learn sometime how to train one.  It's not something that comes over night to ya. It takes experience, patience, and dedication. It definitely helps to have a good back ground but if you leave a pup in the pen till he 7 months old-don't expect him to be doing what mine is doing at 7 months.  Wouldn't that be pretty close? @cajun and @reuben


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having the right line of pups/dogs can really make good dogs in the right hands...and feeding them lots of tracks can only make them better...training a sorry pup/dog can make them better but it will still be a cull in my eyes...

the great ones don't need much training...they are born knowing how to find game...

Noses are a funny thing, I saw years ago a program on the discovery channel where an organization was taking dogs from local pounds and training them to detect cancerous cells in the human body by smell. These were not Majestic or Bloodhounds mind you, just mutts, but were successfully identifying cancer in living human tissue on scent alone. Several years ago I had a redbone with a good nose and I was in hog heaven because I finally had a dog who could consistently find hogs, then one day a man gave me a young cur gyp bred from his personal line of very consistent curs and within two months the young gyp was leaving out on tracks so fast she'd be bayed while that good was still figuring out the hot side from the cold one. Soon after I abandoned the dogs I had been hunting and made the decision to solely pursue getting more like her. Years later I now have dogs that all are able to leave on sign and go bay hogs, some faster, some smarter, some better than others, but knock on wood, I haven't had one in a while now that wouldn't at minimum "go look at" a hog.

This is not to say I believe these curs have a "better nose" than a hound! I don't for a moment think they have as "cold" of noses, but I do believe their brains are wired differently in relation to how they process a track.
I can expand more later if the discussion is worth having, but for now, I've got to get back to work.

good post T-BoB...the ability to find game can be bred in to a line of dogs...

I said that wrong...the ability to find game can be selected for from a line of dogs...

I read in a book one time that blood hounds have the most particles of smell the next dog in line was the gsd don't rember the rest  but it was 500 million to 300 million then after those two it was a drastic drop


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You touched on something I wanted to discuss for a long time, so I think I will start a topic about it called nose. You make some great points T Bob

Really good post. I'm wanting to make a strain of dogs that are something that's got. Acold nose and is fast and barks  On track and has grit . I like a good race. But I like to catch hogs too. I'm gone breed a tight line of hounds very soon with those qualities in the very near future. They most likely will not be full blooded though. Lol. I'm not stuck on one. Breed alrthough my name on here is plotthounds. My best gyp is a plott hounds so I kinda just went with it. Lol.


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There are many average breeders out there...the proof is in the amount of culls out there...

Selecting the right dogs from a good family of dogs is important...and what I believe to be of most importance is selecting the best pups for hunting and breeding...no excuses for the dogs...either they have it or they don't...the rose colored glasses must go in the trash...

Ya there are a lot of every thing out there. I like rose colored glasses I got them with Obama care


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