EAST TEXAS HOG DOGGERS FORUM

Who here runs rough dogs? I love em, and would like to see some pictures and hear some stories about everyone's rough dogs!


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This guy wont stop to many hogs but will  hold to one as long as he can. I've almost had to carry him out the woods every time. He's a hard hunting little dog.(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20170301/6a4db38614fbeb14b4eaa8e1f0df602c.jpg)(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20170301/f4449b6114daab36b514d833085cb770.jpg)(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20170301/c6469053412e1414f53ae9249a66442c.jpg)

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How much does he weigh? Looks like a little fireball!


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Around 20 lbs of monster

I run lot of rough dogs there good to have but not for every situation. They will put the clamp down on a hog if given the chance. (https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20170301/fe06ea72f6a894e3ba753316e1de3381.jpg)(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20170301/a235c329b4de3f4fc3258b6eee897397.jpg)(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20170301/5912e74922b27a2ba3d72277fffed0d8.jpg)(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20170301/5f0f7eeb5c08862f65a795603c74894e.jpg)


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Judge, those are some fine looking dogs. Did you build that box or buy it? Ive been looking for something similar, but haven't been able to find one so I've been thinking about building one


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*the box in the first picture*. I'm wanting an over the rail style box with two sides


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Ya my boys have built a bunch of them they where better then my first one lol


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Lol, you must've taught them a thing or two?


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Sure some fine dogs judge!!

Im only @ 27hogs this yr since jan 15th, been workin way too much...... buddy has been on dang near every one and i havent heard him bark yet this season. He will back off on a legit BIG hog but he will catch 90% the first chance he gets. He gets way too rangey for his style and i imagine his time is coming but im gonna hunt him til it does. He is a real easy dog overall, good demeanor/attitude, decent handle and a hand in the woods.
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Once upon a time I had rough dogs, just personal preference but I weeded through them and went to loose dogs due to the amount of time I played vet and let them recover vs time I spent hunting.
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Gator(Tommy Laman bred) Musgrove( Out of Rusty Musgrove's Levi dog)


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Marvin (Hart/Percy Alders bred of my dads yard) Musgrove

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Marvin, Levi, and Musgrove.

I've had a few more that didn't make it long enough to even take pics, but these were all medium range, dead silent, rough as a cobb..Was pretty common to tie a boar hog 200/250 with 2/3 of these and them be caught long before you got there.

Justin, that is a great looking dog. How far does he range? The east Texas style blackmouths are by far my favorite dog. They just look so dang good!
Loftin, what is the breeding of those dogs in the last picture? They have a unique look to em


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It's explained in the pics above it..all 3 pics are same dogs mainly besides Gator.

He looks like my kate dog in that picture a lot!



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Austesus I taught the to look and listen that's the best way to learn. Second best way is to screw it up lol that's what I am good at.     Justin that dog looks just like my tiny dog. Good looking sucker you got there


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I'm sorry I thought those were just the people who bred them, I meant the actual breeds that the dogs are composed of


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Man its really hard to give a straight answer as far as range, it depends on alot of factors but its not uncommon at all for him to pull out to over a mile if he doesnt get on one closer. I normally drop a pair and sit back til they either bay or get out too far.....i TRY to stay within a 1/2 mile or less from em but it doesnt always work out that way.

Thank yall for the kind words, hopefully as he matures a bit more he will wise up. He is right at 22 months old now so hopefully he will learn to take a step back sooner or later..... he will learn or he wont, time will tell.

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I believe he is quite a bit taller/longer than her but they do favor each other

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All of mine a pretty rough but buddy is the worst, slick was close to buddy when he was younger but luckily he wised up a bit. He is my favorite and best dog but buddy is the looker of the group. I have a youngster thats turnin into a great lookin dog himself but he has had a couple set backs....id imagine he will be pretty rough himself but i havent been able to really hunt him yet to see it.

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Yessir you are right!, they are all full blooded yellow black mouth dogs, gator is half ybm and catohula

Yeah I was gonna say she's got a broader chest and shorter legs. Little smaller dog overall but in that picture his head looks real similar


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If you ever need to get rid of one of those rough yella dogs I'll come make a drive lol


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Gotcha! They have a unique look from most YBMC's I've seen. They look pretty cool


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Hello knew to the forum but Ben following along for a while,what are we considering rough dogs? I have hounds that catch coons,I have hounds that catch bears,and I have dogs that catch hogs. No Bay dogs just hog dogs. Few cats and some mixed up mnt cur hound cat pit cross. All my dogs catch,all my dogs find hogs....so I'm wondering what you all are considering rough dogs...hence the name  Rough curs...

To me a rough dog don't bay unless made to bay but still looking to catch. To me a gritty dog just does enough to get to bay and might latch on if another dog of the same grit


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#LooseBayMovement lol


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This is what i consider rough
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Caught at dark this evening with my slick and buddy dogs and a puppy i just started. Caught at 1.09 miles and held him for 12-15mins while we were heading to them.

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Nice hog justin. I like caught hogs. I always say if you think a dog is rough hunt him alone or with one other dog and you will get your answer. Looks like yours qualify lol


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I got off @ 5 yesterday, made it home by 6/6:15. Went straight to my dads and started sewing dogs up.By 11ish I was finishing up with the 2nd dog.. He's hunted 3 times since the first of the year and this was his 2nd hog. And he's 3 dogs out of commission for 3+ weeks. That's the main reason I don't have them anymore.

Amen!


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I've got a lil 25 pound mountain cur I wouldn't necessarily call her rough. But a boar is usually barred by the time I get there. More then a few times she will be hangin off his nuts before the catch dog gets there. But I'd damn sure stop running if that was me

Personally, I'll take loose baying dogs over rough dogs anyday. Depends on your terrain, it takes a while for us sometimes to get to a bay and with rough dogs that can be a problem. 2 good loose bayin dogs that will use enough teeth to get one stopped is what we look for

Just way easier for us to vest up a bulldog and let him do the catching.

To me on my dogs it depends on how many dogs I'm runnin on the ground it seems with one or two they will stand back and just bay more then 2 dogs it's usually a caught hog. It only takes one catchy dog and then all of mine are caught. 90 percent of the time I'm hearing squeels before my catch dog is loose or before she gets there.

I can relate to that, 1 dog in a pack gets balls and catches all of em in the pack will haha

We typically hunt 2 dogs, sometimes 3. I know guys that hunt around here will dump several boxes of dogs on 1 track. You'll have ten head of dogs on 1 hog. There's no challenge in that

Same here. Everyone I hunt with tries to clear the benches and bring everything they own. And then either you get a caught hog or its a screwd up mess with a bunch of trashin

I have different opinions than most. There is a huge difference in the word rough dependin on who you are talking to. Theres what i tent to call counterfeit rough and theres true committed rough, counterfeit rough (entirely my opinion)  is a dog that gets right in ones face and goes to fightin/biting and gettin whooped on and doesnt flat out catch then theres dogs that go about it in a smarter fashion with a bit more sense. Dogs that barrel in wide open have alot better chance of being cut down than dogs that take their time, wait for the right moment to get a piece and when they do they dont let go. Now at the end of the day rough is rough and sooner or later they will pay for it, i just know that some dogs go about it way smarter than others.....same as catchdogs, some run wide ass open and bulldoze the hog and some  take that extra couple seconds to pick their shot but when they do they usually connect.

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But hell what do i know, what i call a rough curr dog most people consider a RCD. Mine wont catch every hog but they will catch most and knock on wood so far they have stayed relatively unharmed so i know they are doing something right, one thing i have noticed it that you wont ever see one of mine caught with his body in front of the hog, when mine catch they line their bodies up with the hogs and generally avoid injury.

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If I run 2 dogs chances are they will bay as long as the hog is bein a good hog and staying put but if he breaks his nuts will in trouble from my lil mountain cur once she hits then my plott will be hanging off its head somewhere. That's the way it is with mine. The plott isn't gonna catch till the cur does. But they are both less then 2 years old seems they are gettin more and more catchy

Once mine commit there ain't no back down on em no changing their mind they may get dragged a ways but they will be hooked up on the pig

My definition of rough, is when a dog doesn't even take a second thought about catch or not. A good bay dog will stay close enough to keep the hogs attention, but far enough back as to avoid injury or pushing hog to break bay

I can't afford to maintain 10 head of dogs, because they are too rough and constantly getting cut down. 2-3 well trained loose baying dogs works best. I don't mind a loose dog getting a bit gritty on hogs when they got backup around

Mine ain't rough they just don't like havin to chase down a hog they've already bayed once. One of the guys that hunts with me has a catahoula damn sure don't hunt a lick but will catch any hog he sees I've never heard the dog bark not one time. And I've seen him on serval.

Good lookin leopard dogs Judge

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My opinion on rough dogs(which I don't own) is sure enough rough dogs. 1 dog by himself might bay a 200+ lb hog. If another dog shows up it better be caught dead to rights. If 2 rough dogs are baying together I'm gonna be holdin my nuts walking in there and I better have good reason to or I wouldn't call those dogs rough. My opinion only. I've notice good rough dogs when used right don't get cut to hell even when caught out on big Barr's for 15-20-30 minutes. Stupid dogs that fight hogs get tore down every time out it seems


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Lots of good discussion going on here! I know some people like rough and some people like loose. Where I hunt it is a must to have rough dogs. Unless the pig has a dog hanging from its head it just won't stop unless it runs itself to death. The other day a pig was run for 6 hours before a catch dog got to it. And a few weekends ago we brought one experienced dog, a few started dogs, and some pups. The experienced dog ran the pig for 4.5 hours and did 28 miles on the Garmin. The started dogs wound up dropping out of the race. We tried to cut the hog off with more dogs but the wind kept messing us up and he would change directions. Finally got the dog pulled off and gave up on that one


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Thanks warrant. Here is my take on rough dogs and or dog every one should have one. They are way more of a help then a hindrance. Keeps you from running a 125 lb boar for 3 hrs. If bays are breaking drop em and it will cut that down. Now here is a key all the dogs must catch when he does or it won't work. I get cut dogs but not like a lot of guys I hear about one key thing is some dogs fight the hog instead of catching that is why it's getting cut all the time unless it's a massive hog that two dogs can't handle 


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X2

Not talkin number 2, just puttin it out there....what "works best" is a matter of personal preference. I dont want loose dogs because rough dogs work great for me, that doesnt mean for a second that loose dogs dont work best for you, its a personal preference really. As long as you catch hogs thats really all that matters in the end, like the old saying goes....theres a hundred ways to skin a cat.

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Haha, it's all good. Meant to say 2-3 loose bay dogs works best for "me". Not saying its best for everyone.

Good catch there!

Rough vs loose dogs is like Chevy vs Ford. Both get the job done, just preference. Or silent or open, hot topics in the hog dog world

Damn sure didn't throw a Dodge in there haa. Nor should there be

I have to keep dogs on the property I have permission..10k to 2 acres.  I'll take what I can get here where I'm at. That being said  if there's a hog there I  have to catch it immediately.  My dogs will range out but I usually keep em close ....being that they are "rough ".  I don't consider my dogs rough,I will say that are hog dogs that catch hogs. No real catch dogs just bread right for the conditions I have to hunt in.

love the hooks on those cutters

I run a couple rough dog's Henry and Zeus they are rough as they come Henry and his daughter ran this boar .65 in a nasty swamp two mornings ago and Henry hung him his daughter who is just over a year backed up and the old man held him solo till we got within 150 with the bulldog.That boar's ear was hanging on by a thread and Henry got wrecked but didn't let go don't know if you'd call it stupidity or guts but either way he's got tons of it.No back up in him and Zeus is the same way.(http://i338.photobucket.com/albums/n432/itsacaseytime/Mobile%20Uploads/2017-02/20170227_071952.jpg) (http://s338.photobucket.com/user/itsacaseytime/media/Mobile%20Uploads/2017-02/20170227_071952.jpg.html)
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Man I really like the looks of those dogs!! What are they bred from?


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Henry is a Cambell dog and Zeus comes from some cow stock on the west coast of Florida.

That Zeus dog looks really cool


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Rough dogs have there advantages and disadvantages , I just like a rough dog that's knows when to be rough and when to bay. Are pick up a pig and bring it to me without the hide broke on it. But those rough dog are to find are raise. And really I think it's mainly due to how much we use them. With mine anyway

to me a ruff dog is a dog that would rather catch than bay ...... don't care  who you are  sometimes   a ruff dog will make the difference in catching a particular hog and sometimes cause  you to loose a hog ....

I like dogs that are loose when they need to be and rough when they have to be with the breeding and brains to know which one to be at the right time.

Bigo, that's what I'm saying besides the breeding and the brains you have to handle them everyday.

I used to hunt with a fella, had 2 bmc's. They would find and bay hogs, and when you got to bay they would catch Everytime. When they knew you were there, it was caught hog Everytime, but until you got there they would stand back and bay

Wish my dogs could be like that, I either have one extreme or the other. Either rough as a Cobb, or loose as a goose. No in between. Typically my luck

I have seen this most often with stock bred dogs, I know any dog can do it but the ones I seen that did this the most natural and were the best at it were stock bred dogs. I think the dogs having good stock sense helps with this greatly. Just an observation.

These are the ones we hunt. We usually have a few more dogs on the ground so they can get rough with numbers. But It's more so though they know the game and get rough once we get there. As soon as we walk into a bay if the right cur dogs are there, they'll look up and see you; and immediately tighten up on him. As soon as he tries them they'll stick him or if we go to hollering we can coax them into catching them. Catch a lot more hogs not toting a bulldog around but it can get you cut down a lot more than normal and beat up. I guess it's good because we hunt a mixture of both rough and loose dogs


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I hunt loose and rough together a lot works good for me but it ain't for every one. I got dogs that won't bark so I thro a loose dog with em to let me know what's going on.


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Excellent post. A smart "rough" dog is skilled in combat. A dumb "rough" dog is full steam ahead.

Hunting style is important. But I need my team to be strategic. Get in. Shut him down. And keep moving to the next hog. Without sacrificing life and limb in the process.

I'm not agains a catchdog that bails and strikes at the right moment.

Ali chose when to strike. I want my catch dogs to do so as well.


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Bigo bigo that's what we like and run when they break they r on em like stink on poo but when he stops they back up keeps the hog from running as much imo


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I have 5 dogs 2 cats 1 straight catch 1 that will bar a hog for you and stays away from the business end of a hogood unless it's 100lbs or so and 3 pit mnt cur crossed to a pit cat ...straight catch all 3 . When you have permission for 40 acres,they have to catch right now. Never been seriously cut down but been cut good. All females but 1and he more interested in them most time...lol

And they all run loose no issues.