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I would like to share some of what I do and the things that are probably unique to me that have allowed me to keep my pigs alive during the summer.    Hopefully knowing how I'm able to do it can be used and tweaked by some of you or give you ideas as to how to develop your own style to save your pigs from dying

     To what degree of success do I have and how effective is it?    I have NOT lost 1 pig in 3 years.    How is this possible for me.  1st and most important thing that enables this is the type dogs I hunt.       The pigs aren't allowed to run and get hot.  An ounce of prevention is worth a pound of cure.   I do hunt the woods some but I try to stay around water be it creeks or stock tanks.    This allows quick access to water for the dogs and allows me to get water to the pig and poored on it.  I also carry water on my ATV that i can poor on the pig and the dogs.   
    Then when I load the tied pig and dogs they get more water  poored on them and the wind from the ride helps cool them.   
I tend to crop hunt mostly if I can in the hot summer.  I cast the dog into the field and set at the truck.   When I hear the hook up I am able to drive to the catch and quickly tie and load the pig either on the truck or ATV.    Then douse with water and off to the catch trailer which is parked at a water hidrent.      I will sometimes force the tied pig to drink water through the hose but be sure the hose doesn't have a fitting on the end of it or they will crush it.  I put a pig tail on the end of the hose to save the fitting.          If the pig is hot I'll spray off really good and cool it down before lifting or sliding the pig into the catch trailer to be untied.   After untying the pig I thoroughly spray with water till the pig is cooled off and I thoroughly spray the others in the trailer also.     Then replentish the water in my containers and spray the dogs down and off I go again.   
   So the 2nd major thing that enables me to do this is my access to water hidrents around the ranches I hunt.   
Keep stress to a minimum best you can to avoid capturemyopathy.   Once this sets in it is 100% deadly and no reversing or cure according to what I've read on it year or two ago.      How do I do this?    Well that goes back to catching the pig so quickly and quietly with just 1 or 2 dogs.   The pig doesn't have the heightened state of stress and adrenaline with just 1 or two dogs on the scene that are quietly holding it.   The only sound is that which the pig itself makes.       The stress level of the situation is so low key that if I am afoot, pigs a few hundred yards away that are new to the area do not leave out.   Thise that know the sounds and have experience  get gone quick though lol.      I don't allow my dog or dogs to role out after catches in the summer time while I'm tying the pig.   That way all attention can be placed on getting that pig loaded, poored water on and then quickly transported to catch trailer and thoroughly cooled off after untying or given a big drink while tied if they have been hot for longer than I like.    Forcing water in them helps cool them down from the inside also  if need be.   Also I usually have pigs in the catch trailer for a couple days and they don't drink.   Forcing them to take water before untying helps ensure they stay alive.     
     The big boars are at a heightened state of risk because of the heat insulator they have.      That shield is a big heat insulator.   On top of that, they often have a thick layer of dried mud covering them.   This too is going to insulate and trap heat.   So the big boars get hosed for a good while and all the mud washed off of them before I go get another pig.   
   I know a lot of these things are unique to me or my surroundings and circumstances but just knowing how I am able to do it may give others ideas on how to invent things that help them keep their hard won pigs alive under the circumstances they catch pigs in.          Inventions can be done.   Since I hunt by myself I had to come up with ways to handle my dogs, keep pigs from hobbling off that are caught in fields with nothing to secure them to, extract pigs from deep in the woods not accessible beyond certain physical barriers ATVs or pick-up can beyond, load huge pigs into my truck then get them up into catch trailer and then successfully untied without them escaping or me being trapped in trailer with them.   I did not know any of this before I changed style of dogs and started hunting on my own.   I was forced to come up with ways and methods on my own if I was to be able to afford to catch pigs or turn a profit off of it.  A dead pig brings no money for me except to be used as dog food.       So I know people can develop ways and methods to solve problems unique to them.               I hope this helps people obtain ideas and develop solutions to their own situations

If you ain't had a tied "hog", that's what we call them here in the Southern US, stroke out on you in mid summer from time to time, you ain't been hunting very long or you ain't tied very many. ;) 

If we get one that’s real hot, cut the tip of its tail off... saved many hogs that way.

Mike lmao  I ain’t heard that one in forever
Bout forgot bout tht
Thanks for reminding me
It do work

Now as far as keeping hogs alive ......
I do try to keep them alive but sometimes it just don’t happen and no huge deal -
But better for me if we can get them out alive - but I’m not gone kill myself working at it-
I use to but Got burnt out on it
If u run hogs they are gone be some to die ....

Like two Saturday’s ago ran a hog round and round in huge corn field - jumped him in a bottom and he went to the corn- double row corn- thick thick and hog know they can win in there -
Corn is now dead and dry and hot as sh;t but
Seemed like every time the hog went to leave corn a car or a big truck or a tractor would be coming by and he turn again- I messed up one time and turned him - well he had enuff and bayed in middle of field (96 acres of nothing but corn) go in catch the hog wound up being a 230 lb sow- tie her go straight back to four wheeler and go straight back to hog flies was already on her - I was actually pretty glad cause I didn’t see the monkey but I smelt him
It was so freakin stinking hot - almost to point of getting dangerous
Anyway everyone hunts different does things differently no right way no wrong way
Only thing tht matters everyone has fun and stay safe

Streak Thts some pretty nice ways but unfortunately  around these parts I’m in some of that wouldn’t work but glad they do for you


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If you catch all your hogs by sight huntin or in areas you can drive right to them ofcourse they're not goung to get as hot.If you actually have to trail and find hogs by nose most times miles away from vehicle access it's just part of it.If you try to use straight catch dogs in the summer here that trail a hog a long ways your going to have more than a dead hog as well.They can be catchy but better wait to catch till you get there.If a dog tries to hold a hog by the ear for a hr or so in the summer months it's likely you won't catch that hog due to your dog over heating.I have dogs I won't turn loose  in the heat because they got no back up.A bayed hog doesn't heat up as fast as a caught hog and that's a fact.A caught dog heats up way faster than one that's baying that's also a fact.If you can't get to the seen in short order with straight catch dogs in the summer here sh@t dies and thats a fact hog or dog.Mike I use you tail cutting trick and it has worked I believe.

        Lol you got some issues dude


 

    You got a pretty good ego there.   I see it gets the better of you now and then

Like I said, it's obvious you have not been doing this very long and therefore, have not tied very many. Catching and tying, then loading hogs in the middle of a wide open wheat field and catching and tying hogs, and then loading in rough woods is no comparison. I can smell the end of that nose from here bud. Having it so far up the "Aussies" a## will do that.    No offense to any real Aussies out there. ;D

   You are blinded by your own ignorance.   Most anyone with eyes to see can look at the pictures I put up and see the same same dogs catching under a wide variety of habitat and hunt styles.       The pictures I take each time, you do not dare for a multitude of reasons.       Even without my comments the information contained within the pictures I post disprove your vial comments.             As I've said before many times and proven by the pictures, my dogs hunt equally well in a variety of ways.   I do not need one type dog for one style of hunt and another type for another style  or one to find and one to catch.         Just because i can catch in the crop fields does not deminish the dogs ability to find in and catch in the woods or brush as proven by the many pictures I've posted.     The diversity of my dogs and me really gets under your skin and you try to convince the public otherwise do to your ego.              I rebuke your comments about me.   Also as long as you are filled with hate and malice, you will remain blind and stupid.    I'm mean no offense by that but often times the truth is offensive to those rebuked or caught by it.       Wish you well in your recovery

  :laugh: You just keep that noes "Down Under" and "posing" those field action shots Picture Boy. You might want to change out your hogs from time to time. I believe I've seen a few "doubles" pop up ;D

So warrant you think he is catching the same hogs over and over and lying about it? Thats a pretty serious accusation to make about a man, I would like to see your proof of this because I know a man wouldn't make such a serious accusation without hard indisputable proof.

Y’all get too emotionally invested in this forum. Kinda funny


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   Ok show all of us where I have posted same picture as if it were 2 different hunts.             
     Around half my pictures are of pigs found and caught in the woods by none other than the same dog or dogs you see pictures of holding pigs in the fields.    Takes me one dog to do what takes you a pack to do and you still are caught in the pigs terms and not the dogs terms.        You claim I'm green and haven't been doing this long or that I don't catch many pigs and your proof to this is because your unable to do what I do as you have stated yourself.     Sir that is pretty sad.   
Now my pictures are upsetting you evidently.   You call my picture boy.   Ummm, ok why is this?   Is it because I'm able to take pictures in ways you are unable to?    Is it because action pictures taken of the catch tell as much or more of the story than I do and are indisputable proof of the claims I make about the dogs being so versatile and able to catch huge 300 pound class boars 1 out and in both woods and crops?       Or is it because you can't take same type pictures much less get a picture of just 1 dog handling a giant.     Is it because you use so many dogs to catch a pig that you can't see the pig for all the dogs  and a picture will expose this and not stack up to the criticism you throw at me?      Is it because your pictures will only speak to you being able to catch on the pigs terms rather than the dogs?     Why is it so hard for you to get action photos when you are so much better and have so much more experience and catch so many more pigs than I do?    You claim I haven't been at this long and that I don't catch many pigs so surely a guy like you with who has all this experience aught to be able to at least get same quality action pictures.   
      I do all this by myself.  I catch all these pigs by myself  and a lot of times with just 1 dog and as stated and shown in pictures in all environments not just 1.   All the while catching on the dogs terms.     How many  guys do you take, how many dogs do you use?  Still no pictures till after the pig is bound or killed and the dogs tied.    Yet I have no need to restrain my dogs, and it's just me flipping, tying, retrieving, and loading and still I take good pictures.    Why? Because if I didn't then who would believe me.    How could I educate and teach what I do and how to successfully do it if i could not present clear proof to back up my statements.      Here is another fun fact for you.    I have never once lost a dog to a pig.  Not one and not even lost a dog to an infection from pig related injury.    Just blew your mind again didn't I.     I don't make that public knowledge because I can't show proof of it but I can stand on my word and say it and use my work to prove other hard to believe stuff as credibility
      Sir, you try to belittle me, put my credibility in question that I work very hard at proving through pictures so guys like you can't take that away from me, you call me names, and you slander me to the public.        Why, what have I done to you?           I know the answere to the questions I presented to you but I also know that telling you won't do any good.     Your issues really aren't with or about me.   Why I bring them out in you is the question you need to reflect upon.   
    I sincerely hope a very blessed future for you for it is not flesh and blood we battle against but powers and principalities.  It is us  sometimes that those powers and principalities controle.     I have been harsh but sometimes that's what is needed for the correction to be heard and felt. 

    Thank you for not allowing that to stand and go uncorrected

You show your a$$ more and more each time you post there Picture Boy. 3 years in and your going to tell us all how it is done :laugh: Let me tell you something Boy, me and my Kin have been catching and tying hogs with "one out" Cur catch dogs for going on better than 150 years. Anyone who hunts this style long enough and has the nerve to tell me they have not lost a tied down hog to heat or had a "catch dog" KIA is a "Kook". ;) 3 years is baby sh#t son. As for pictures, I don't take pictures.

   I said I've not lost a pig do to over heating in 3 years.  Your twisting that as if I've only been catching pigs with dogs for 3 years lol.                 Now your siting the experience of your "kin" in an effort to give some semblance of credibility to yourself.         Your an emotional wreck.  Your arguing emotion because you can not provide proof.  Your feelings are bent out of shape and your showing it by trying to demoralize me by calling me boy lol.             You claim you catch 1 out with 1 cur dog and been doing it for years.    Please define 1 out.         I'm pretty sure your idea of 1 out is not at all what 1 out actually means.       
                   Now we all understand the saying, if you don't get pictures then it didn't really happen.       You come onto a public forum and make claims which you can not provide proof to.   Further more you attack me without proof to your own claims.   I am easily able to provide proof through pictures  and put forth the effort to do so.  You attack me and try to demoralize me in this public arena but can provide no proof or hard evidence to support your claims.     Furthermore you claim you do what I do with 1 cur  but can offer no hard core proof to support this claim not even one time in the many years you claim.        You try to discredit me by claiming you for a multitude of years have done what I do but with only a curr yet I easily provide proof each hunt while you can not provide 1 shred of hardcore evidence to support your claim over a multitude of years.     Can you define hypocracy?     Sir you make these claims in the public arena.  If you want to take these claims to the public and engage in arguments against those providing proof, don't you think you too should provide proof in support of your argument?           An argument with no proof against that which much proof has been provided in support of, is at best an emotional and egotistical argument against that which is easily proven.              The burden is on you is to back up your claims.   

So you have been hunting for more than 3 years and you still make these claims. That makes you even more of a "Kook" :laugh:  Keep that nose "Down Under"  black stain.  If you are ever here in SE TN, be sure and pm me. Be happy to take you up on the mountain and show you a FL bred Curdog wind, find, stop, and hold it's own good solid Russian Hog. ;) I'm out.

   Ok,  got a friend or two in Georgia.   Hopefully one day I'll get out that direction.  If so I'll gladly share a hunt with you and you can see the difference first hand what a dog like mine does compared to a pit cur cross lol

Fl bred Cur Cowdogs son. No "pit" cur crosses on this yard. ;)

Why do guys always say you have pit crosses when you say you have cuts that catch lol. I do not like pit crosses of any kind


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Not for certain cause nobody really knows for sure,but by the looks of most " cur " dogs they got pit in somewhere down the line...like was said before on this forum. " adding salt to the stew you can never get it out.or something like that...lol

Better research deep enough the history of most working curs and their origins, especially the Florida curs of all of them, just bc there’s isn’t an F1 pit/bulldog cur cross sitting on your yard doesn’t mean your dogs very existence isn’t built off the foundations of one, if I’m wrong please list all the “cur” breeds that were created in the old countries and migrated to America like the most of our working dog breeds, again especially the Florida cur strains....

Ya goose there in all of them at some point.


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Big difference between a "pit" bulldog and a "bulldog". One was bred to fight, the other was bred to work. You from South/Central Florida son. I go back 5 generations on one side and 4 on the other in that part of the state. No big secret we put " White Bulldog" in these dogs around here. There was a reason for that ;) Now what was that about better researching the history of Fl Bred Cur Cowdogs.

Thanks for shaking the family tree for us, always like to see family traditions passed down, but your response is limited to the knowledge that was passed on to you by someone else about the origins of YOUR family’s strain of dogs, doesn’t account for the very broad history of the fla curs and their various origins, way I was brought up in the game was to not throw names out unless given permission so I’ll respectfully decline to cite my source but more than one very popular using and working strains of cur dogs developed in fla was based off “pit” “hound” crosses, and bred down from there, the cow hands that made them had game dog connections and would go get a cold dog to breed to whenever they started losing  the roughness wanted and vice versus on the nose and breeding to a hound, they bred them to meet the demands of the time and didn’t care what they were called as long as they got their job done, the ones that had “it” were kept, those that didn’t were done away with, this doesn’t cover all Strains of cur dogs in fla, the names of the families and ranches the dogs I described above still carry a lot of merit to this day, then again this is just info passed onto me by one of them old hands that has done passed to the other side and never had a reason to lie or any family honor to protect in the name of pride, they just needed a dog that could do that job and if they weren’t around to get from someone they created their own, we all have our opinions and beliefs to go and live by, to each his own as long as the dogs are done right by, I’m not going to go back and forth over something that’s as irrelevant as another man addressing other men as “son” and “boy”, not going into detail like Black streak does but your steady use of such words and the manner in which you use them to “ get at” somebody makes it hard for me to take you serious some times, and seems as if you won’t provide positive fellowship, debate, discussions amongst dog hunters despite our differences, sure does appear as if you only log on to bash on someone about something and spread even more negative stuff, I hope I’m wrong but my senses tell me different, but I’ve been wrong before, I don’t really care what another man does, hunts, ties hogs, breeds dogs whatever as long as welfare of his animals is kept priority, I’m respectfully bowing out of this convo, any rebuttal you have to any of the above I’ll go ahead and give you a nod and tip of my hat and say you’re right...


I lied, one other thing, is your handle, warren, or warrent ?

You better dig deeper in your "research" than one ranch hand on one ranch before you talk about these dogs with me son. My knowledge is not speculation or here say, it is first hand, from my family and at least 13 other "Old Florida" families from the counties around and below Lake Okeechobee, the very heart of "Cracker Country" ;) Everyone of these families has the very "Bulldog" blood I speak of in there dogs. These are Cur Cowdog lines, first and foremost.    Just for the record, there are lines all over the state that have "pit" bulldog bred into them for strictly hog hunting. Two completely different dogs for those of us who know. 

Warrant do you know Sam Clemens


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I knew Pete Clemons, owner of Okeechobee Livestock Market. He is now deceased. One hell of a Cowman and a legend where I am from.

Sam is his son or grandson not exactly sure but I know they ran the live stock auction. There all life time cowboys. I got dogs out of there old stuff. My buddy brought them back to Texas 15 yrs ago very hardy dogs.


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Todd and Jeff are his sons. They run it now, as they did, along side their Dad. Couple of sons and grandsons floating around, but I have not met them. Fulltime Cowmen, sure 'nuff. Always keep #1 dogs around. ;)

I think "pit " is. West coast term and bulldog is an eastern term for the same dog . They all came off the same few the English brought over. Bulldogs on the west are just that big underbite no good for nothing bulldog like on the cartoons. But like I said before most curs where bread with bulldog or pit in them whatever you want to call them. Cats black mouth flu curs mnt curs all have it .

Second this!


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