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Title: The long range catch dog Post by: Black Streak on August 28, 2019, 01:37:25 pm What are the most important elements to a long range catch dog and why are the injuries dramatically fewer than expected. First let's give an example or two of such dogs appropriate for this work. The great dane and wolfhound. No not the great daniffs so prevalent of today but the ones few and far between that are what a great dane should be mentally, structurally, and physically. Same with the wolfhound.
2 very critical elements to this style of dog and hunt style are that the pig must be caught on the dogs terms and the dog must maintain adiquit controle of the pig. Let's say a 280 pound boar for this thread. To catch on the dogs terms implies the dog has to catch the boar emmediatly where it's found or has to run it down in very short order. The boar is not allowed to run where it wants before it turns to make its stand. If the dog can't accomplish this, the boar will almost always run to a better place in which to defend itself when afforded the opportunity. The other major critical aspect is the dogs natural ability to controle such a boar. If the dog can not gain and maintain controle of the boar then it's just merely hanging on and enduring however much punishment the boar inflicts upon it. What enables the dog to gain controle of such a boar? The dogs size, strength, and agility. A 30" dog has no problem keeping its center of gravity over its front shoulders. A small dogs center of gravity is shifted behind its front shoulders when holding onto a big boar. This results in a severe lack of controle. All the power, strength, and agility one has is pretty useless if that center of gravity is not maintained. So for the long range catch dog, size is very important. The bigger the boar the closer the dog is to being maxed out on what it can handle. The closer to being maxed out the dog is the sooner the dog fatigues and looses controle. If the boar is caught on the dogs terms and the dog is in controle of the boar, then how likely is it that the dog gets hurt? If the boar is caught on his terms and he is in controle of the fight and not the dog, then how likely is it that the dog get injured now? If your lifting weights and your put you max out what you can lift, how many times can you put that weight up? Just once then you are no longer in controle of it. If a bigger more powerful guy comes in and his max is twice what yours is, he can work out for a good while on what you are maxed out on. He can maintain controle of it for faaaar longer than you can. He can even talk and joke when he is lifting what is your max that takes total concentration for you. There is more to it than just these 2 critical elements but these are the main two. This just applies to the long range catch dog and doesn't really correspond to lead in work. Lead in work does not require the controle that long range work does. Can you do lead in work with a long range catch dog? Yes but might want to tweek the protection a little. Can you do long range work with a dog that's not suited for it? Yeah I'm sure you can but your gonna have issues and problems I do not. I don't consider my dogs long range catch dogs. I consider them mid range all around dogs. I can do long range work with them and get away with it but, there are better dogs such as full wolfhound and the uncommon proper great dane / boar hound that are better suited for it. Title: Re: The long range catch dog Post by: Judge peel on August 28, 2019, 02:59:14 pm You bring up some good points. But your dogs are specialty built for that in there body size and abilities. Most other dogs that do the same thing are doing it on drive and heart. I have some curs that do the exact same thing and 50 lb short pit bulls that can do it as well. I have seen a pit go 3 miles and be caught for 45 min till I got there. Size and speed most always win
Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Title: Re: The long range catch dog Post by: t-dog on August 28, 2019, 03:35:26 pm I agree with you on the leverage issue. I have hunted with every size, shape, and color catch dog there is I think. I have seen good ones and bad ones in every size, shape, and color too. Most definitely there are pros and cons to each. For me and what I have observed over the years, smaller catch dogs do have more trouble gaining leverage. Anyone that has ever wrestled at all understands that leverage is crucial. I have had or seen numerous non-catch dogs injured because a smaller catch dog was unable to control the hog or maintain leverage. I have literally watched good hogs run off with smaller catch dogs dangling from their ear like nothing was there. I understand that some folks run pretty rough dogs and all they need is something to initiate the catch and then they catch hard too. That to me is kind of a third style. When I think about catch dog size I also think of boxers. Manny Pacquiao is a beast. Pound for pound one of the greatest ever, in my opinion. If you put him in the ring with George Foreman, he's going to hit him a few times, but he isn't going to fare too well when big Grorge drops bombs on him. That is just common sense. That's why there are weight classes. Dogs are no different. A bigger dog can 9.5 out of 10 times take more than the small dog when it comes to getting smacked. Our hogs are gonna bed in the thickest stuff they can most times. That is sometimes ridiculous and finding them in their bed in that circumstance is to me on the hogs terms. He chose that spot for a reason, survival. In that circumstance, a catch dog is going to take some shots. He doesn't always have an option as to which side or direction to approach or engage the hog from. It's usually one way in and one way out in our area. I have lost very few dogs in all my years of hunting. I take pride in that. The ones I have lost were small catch dogs or rough curr types. Not one has been a bigger catch dog. Most people don't like bigger dogs because it's harder to find the athletic types. The umpa loompa types are no help either. Just like you say about the new wave Danes and wolfhounds. I do think there is such thing as too big in our part of the country too. We've had some pretty big dogs that were pretty dang athletic that just didn't do as well in the nasty briar thickets. I also think one of the things that set your choice of dogs apart is intelligence. It might be my biggest pet peeve at this stage of my life. Tooo many dogs can't think on their feet anymore. They get what I call an adrenaline block. When you flip the switch on for go it throws a breaker to the brain. Smart thinking type dogs of any kind live longer and have longer careers. I can't deal with stupid or dogs that get the adrenaline block. They are on the first thing smoking if they are that away around me. Dogs do reason, don't ever let anyone tell you different. I have seen and hunted with too many that did. Those adrenaline blocked dogs will never be better than ok at anything and will cause you as much headache as pleasure more times than not. They won't take a trail in, they gotta bust through the brush and bust the bay. They run straight at a running hog instead taking a pursuit angle, they chew leads and trees, paw at the air and snap at dogs or even people that pass by, scream and whine in the box or after they are broke off the hog. They're the ones that will grab whatever they can be it an ear, leg, jaw, etc. which sometimes has to be grabbed until they can move to the ear because they understand that they have more control and leverage there. I can go on and on about what thinkers do.
Sent from my SM-G892U using Tapatalk Title: Re: The long range catch dog Post by: Black Streak on August 28, 2019, 06:05:55 pm Judge I've had 1 out and 1 3/4 pit 1/4 corso. Both I have hunted the same way as I hunt my big dogs. If they caught their own pig, usually they were caught on the pigs terms well beyond where they found the pig. This was one reason they were not practical for hunting like I do. They were not near as effecient. Their lacking efficiency was the reason for their longer than needed hold times. My big fast dog would be caught on a good pig close to where the pigs were found. The pit type dogs would usually be caught much further off if they were perusing their own pigs. Second was they had the heart like you say but they lacked the controle that my other dogs had over same size pigs. These two dogs were time bombs in my opinion. Neither got hurt much hunting this way though but they were at a higher risk of injury and heat stroke and drowning than my other dogs. Rarely could these type dogs catch on their terms. You might be in for a quick run and tie on the big dogs pig but then you have a 800 yard further run, across a creek, across a fence, deep in a thicket or in a water hole somewhere. Totally self induced and allowed by the dog.
Title: Re: The long range catch dog Post by: Black Streak on August 28, 2019, 07:35:02 pm T-dog, brains does go a long way. I don't really care for stupid but I still do a face palm now and again lol. However much of you listed as things you don't like I have either been able to correct or are a result of inexperience on the dogs part. I've seen my really good dogs do some over excited stuff and frustrating stuff when they were young. Take Tuff for instance. Tuff is the best all around dog I've ever had. He was hard headed and stubern at one point but I was able to get him to see things my way one day. Great attitude and willing to please since then with minor corrections needed now and then but not often. He also was not good at pulling pigs down for several months despite simotaniously showing more heart and hardness than any big dog I've had to this point. Wasn't till recently did he become really good at pulling pigs down. He probably caught 200 pigs before he became good at pulling pigs down. He would hit them if they were standing but wouldn't run to the head and bring a running pig down with authority untill about 200 pigs into his career. Now at the age of just barely 2 he is the best all around dog I've ever had and one of my best handling dogs. His momma was to small of a dog to be an all around dog. She was bred to be a lead in style dog. Hardest headed dog I've ever had. Took me 2 times to get through to her and it was a contest to see who was gonna get through to the other if you follow my drift. After the second time she was a very different dog. 2nd best handling dog I have ever had. 3rd best is Tuff her son. I sent her to Georgia a year ago to make more little Tuffs. She is a dream for the hard hunting guy I sent her to. She minds him like she did me and is one badass lead in catch dog he says. His kids think she has hung the moon and she thinks they have. Very very sweet and loyal dog. She wasn't always like that though and is 2 mericals in to her being alive. My old thunder dog, the stag I used to have that lit Georgia on fire for stags. That dog was psychoticly crazy for pigs. That dog would squirm, buck, chew, holler, scream, role and flip in order to get free to get back on a tied pig. Took forever to get him off the first time. He could run and squirm away from you so well while holding a pig because he didn't want off that it was quite the process just to get a dang lead snapped on the D ring. Twice I was leading him to a bay and that dog twisted, turned, bucked, and pulled out if his vest and run naked to the bay to make the catch. Then would chew the lead in to in order to get back on. ' I had to tie him tight to the cab of the truck if I had a tied pig in the back. The dog was the most awsome crop dog I have ever seen in my life still. I finally got fed up with that crap and made it known to him in a big way. Just once was all it took and that crap stopped right then and right there. None of those bad disrespectful habits continued on after that day. He never once attacked a tied pig after that. Never chewed a lead to get free, would walk beside me with slack in the lead when he knew I was about to turn him loose to pigs. Would ride free in the bed if my truck and never bother a tied pig. Never was able to trash break him though. If it run it was prey to him except for livestock. He never give any trouble to livestock. I'd walk around a tank and a bull frog would jump and dive into the water. Instantly like shot out of a rifle he would be diving into the water being the bull frog without thought it processing anything. He was a hoot man but anyway, he was super psychotic when i got him. With the proper well timed correction that dog stopped all that crap and obeyed fully by the expectations I demanded of him from that time forward.
Some of the pet peaves can be corrected and are just there because we allow them and don't knkw any different. Some are just behavior that experience overcomes. Others are directly attributed to stupid and little can be done about or corrected like shyness or skittish. I haven't found much I can do to get one over that, that is just naturally that way. I'm sure you mentioned some other stuff that is naturally all on the dog but some of what you mentioned I have delt with and overcome and thought I'd share Title: Re: The long range catch dog Post by: t-dog on August 28, 2019, 08:23:27 pm I have too have corrected some of those problems. I really don't mind a hard headed animal. Hard headed and stupid are lethal for them. It's very true that timing is a big part of it too. The last three catch dogs I had before the 2 young dogs I'm hunting now were all the same dog in different wrappers. If a hog broke across the open field I could send them and call them back. If they got to a hog they were running down they would ham him and as soon as it stopped or squatted they were eared up and hard. I have had trouble trying to tie hogs because they were licking my face while I was trying to tie. All I had to do was tell them caught hog and it was a done deal. They didn't have to be tied back. They stayed with me off leash until I said go. They were always thinking and always 2 steps ahead of the game. I actually directed Hondo to the exact hog I wanted out of a stinger that came across an open field one day. I sent him and he took the angle on them. I called his name and checked him off one hog at a time until he had the angle on the one I wanted. It's one of the coolest things I've ever done with a dog. When they caught, they were chest to the ground and butt up and keeping those front feet out of the way of the hogs mouth and rolling that inside shoulder to pull the hogs head down.They could adapt to every situation while going in and a miss was almost unheard of. Sit down, shut up, and listen for the next bay was their way and it allowed them to recover and be ready for hog after hog. Those are my kind of brains and it didn't take long to teach them anything. They lived for their job but were smart enough to know if they went about it right we could hurry up and get another one. Those dogs that I've had to break from the excitable stuff were never as fun as the layed back thinkers. I love drive and want to. It's the first thing anything has to have to be good at a task. Your dogs are driven and hard headed but I think you hit the nail on the head when you said they also had the desire to please you. That to me is it in a nut shell.
Sent from my SM-G892U using Tapatalk Title: Re: The long range catch dog Post by: Judge peel on August 28, 2019, 10:34:57 pm Smart dogs are the hardest to train the dumb ones mind better. There just like smart people harder to conform.
Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Title: Re: The long range catch dog Post by: l.h.cracker on August 29, 2019, 05:14:29 am My old thunder dog, the stag I used to have that lit Georgia on fire for stags.
Lmao You Sir are truly in your own world.They been using Stags and Stag crosses in Ga for crop work for 50 yrs lol.Why do you think your the first to do this stuff these crossed up big running catch dogs have been around forever WAY BEFORE YOU FOUND THEM. Title: Re: The long range catch dog Post by: Black Streak on August 29, 2019, 09:55:03 am My old thunder dog, the stag I used to have that lit Georgia on fire for stags. Lmao You Sir are truly in your own world.They been using Stags and Stag crosses in Ga for crop work for 50 yrs lol.Why do you think your the first to do this stuff these crossed up big running catch dogs have been around forever WAY BEFORE YOU FOUND THEM. Not long after I sent Thunder to Georgia I started getting on average 5 messages a week wanting dogs like him. Then i sent another called Magnus the son of Thunder. Magnus become famous as well and even more messages came streaming in. Multiple people offering 2K for anything similar and dog hauler would be dispatched emmediatly. Cashiers check sent emmediatly. 2 grand on anything I said was similar and many wanting to send me cashiers checks apon firdt contact with me. Then wanting to buy entire litters. All that persisted for 2 years untill I deleted my Facebook account and informed those that called they had to go through a certain guy up there in Georgia and have him contact me on their behalf before I'd consider sending them a dog. I'd say that was quite the fire storm. But you wouldn't know anything about that would you cracker because you are in Florida. Even you tried to get dogs from shortly before that firestorm took place. Bet you don't care to admit that to the public lol. Yeah I remember you telling me all about your straight catch curs and how they always got cut down. I remember all those conversations. Now you are just eat plumb up with jealousy and hatred for me. I know why but you like to keep it a secret Title: Re: The long range catch dog Post by: warrent423 on August 29, 2019, 01:05:35 pm Speaking of Georgia and those hairy friggin mutts. Just spent 5 days down there hunting Randolph County for the Wilson and Arnold Families. They own right at 3/4 of the county between them. Rotation farmers, cotton, peanuts, corn. Also hunt several paper company leases around them. Couple of local crews that also hunt the Ag fields have some of those hairy basturds. Young guys who don't have much sense. They do pretty good when they turn loose on hogs that are in the fields, I give them that, but once they make it to rough woods and bottoms, the dogs are back within 10 minutes. We will come behind them quite often, only to have them tell us they have ran the remaining hogs out of the county and that we were wasting out time with those Curdogs. Can't tell you how many times we would turn loose from the field edge on fresh sign, their tracks, and have a Curdog go within a couple 3 or 400 yards and be caught in minutes, just past where their dogs had turned back. We are constantly thanking them for keeping the hogs out of the fields so they don't get wiped out by the "night vision" crews who we also share the woods with. :laugh: Meanwhile, the woods and bottoms surrounding the Ag fields are slap full of hogs for our Curdogs to "find" and catch ;)
Title: Re: The long range catch dog Post by: RafterbarK on August 29, 2019, 03:23:12 pm Black Streak is Magnus owned by Booth?
Title: Re: The long range catch dog Post by: Black Streak on August 29, 2019, 03:52:14 pm Title: Re: The long range catch dog Post by: Black Streak on August 29, 2019, 04:28:19 pm Speaking of Georgia and those hairy friggin mutts. Just spent 5 days down there hunting Randolph County for the Wilson and Arnold Families. They own right at 3/4 of the county between them. Rotation farmers, cotton, peanuts, corn. Also hunt several paper company leases around them. Couple of local crews that also hunt the Ag fields have some of those hairy basturds. Young guys who don't have much sense. They do pretty good when they turn loose on hogs that are in the fields, I give them that, but once they make it to rough woods and bottoms, the dogs are back within 10 minutes. We will come behind them quite often, only to have them tell us they have ran the remaining hogs out of the county and that we were wasting out time with those Curdogs. Can't tell you how many times we would turn loose from the field edge on fresh sign, their tracks, and have a Curdog go within a couple 3 or 400 yards and be caught in minutes, just past where their dogs had turned back. We are constantly thanking them for keeping the hogs out of the fields so they don't get wiped out by the "night vision" crews who we also share the woods with. :laugh: Meanwhile, the woods and bottoms surrounding the Ag fields are slap full of hogs for our Curdogs to "find" and catch ;) Yeah A stag is a crop dog. Not a finder holder which I at one time had both. Finder holders for woods work and stags for crop work. My finder holders outperformed the stags at their own game. We're much more effective and efficient and practical. You can do hunt any style you want with a good finder holder type dog. So I sent all my stags to Georgia and all I have now are finder holders and boar hounds. My finder holders I also call hairy dogs because of the wolfhound blood they carry. I'm not a big fan of stags or greyhounds despite having some really good stags at one time. Only stag blood I care for is from my old thunder dog and a couple dogs in my yard are a couple generations removed from him but bred away from him and the stag features as much as possible. Stag blood doesn't do a finder holder any good. You get superior stuff from the wolfhound blood than you ever can stag blood. So Warrant nice try, all you did was put a spotlight on what I got away from. You and. I.H. Cracker seem to run the same type of dogs. He even admits my type dogs are superior and better suited for the hunt style we do even in his part of the country. He has told me before in the past that his curs really aren't 1 out hard and weren't as fast as my finder holders. Hence the reason he was trying to get dogs off of me at one time lol. You two guys must run same family of dogs lol. Both of you have an ego complex and are hypocrites. Neither of you can show 1 shred of proof to back up your lifetime of claims about having 1 out cur dogs. Bet if either of you could muster a picture of 1 dog on a pig, the pig wouldn't be a big boar. Just 1 picture of 1 dog, in your lifetime? Can't do it can you lol Title: Re: The long range catch dog Post by: Black Streak on August 29, 2019, 05:28:35 pm Black Streak is Magnus owned by Booth? The dog I mainly use now, the red dog I call Tuff is the son of Magnus. Booth also has the mother to Tuff called Macey. He made some more little Tuffs that are now 6 months old I think. He sent me one of them. She is a firecracker for sure. Booth is transitioning like me to finder holders now that he has used them. Magnus is a crop dog not a finder holder but because of the way Magnus is bred and his size and structure, he can be bred to a certain type catch dog and produce some extraordinary dogs. Magnus like his daddy Thunder is a very unique and special crop dog. His daddy was slightly better do to his heart and uncanny knack for heading straight for pigs right off the truck in complete darkness hundreds of yards away but Magnus being bred to be thicker boned, thicker muzzle, bigger, stronger, faster was superior when it come to holding big boar 1 out. I kept Magnus for a couple years was all and sent him to Georgia after breeding him to Macey. Magnus was the last strickly crop bred dog I have ever owned. I'm thankful that Booth has him because of how we can breed him to dogs like Macey and get dogs like Tuff and the two male littermates to Tuff that Booth runs. Those two dogs made a believer out of Booth about the efficiency and effectiveness of proper finder holders. Forget Thunder and Magnus, it's those two dogs that will blow your hair back. You see in the pictures I post what Tuff does and catches and where. Those two are the same caliber as Tuff. Booth is doing same thing with them as I am Tuff. He started off doing crop work with them because he i think was a little nervouse about true finder holder work since he was a bay dogger. He eventually took them to the woods and left the bay dogs at home. Those two pups showed him what hunting proper finder holders is all about. He was certainly impressed and now I think he takes them to the woods more than he does the curs. Actually he doesn't take them both at same time now. He says that's not necessary lol. I used to talk a ton to those guys in Georgia. All of them wanted speed. They put so much emphasis on speed that their greys and stags were no where near like mine when they got to a pig. Took them 3 stags to catch 1 pig where it was taking me 1. Speed only gets you there but once you get there, then what? I kept pushing hardness but preached stay away from the stag pit cross because they are to small to controle a big boar. Once Magnus got to Georgia I think it woke a lot of guys up and it opened their eyes to how to breed better crop dogs than crossing the stag to a pit. I just out of simplicity sake claim that Magnus is half stag half wolfhound but that's not 100% accurate. He is half stag for he is the son of Thunder BUT his momma was not actually a full wolfhound. She was half wolfhound based finder holder from same line of finder holders I still have today and half wolfhound or outcrossed to a full wolfhound. Really making her around 3/4 wolfhound and not the 100% wolfhound that I just say for simplicity sake. So Magnuse has a little more secret to the sauce than just stag × wolfhound. But people in Georgia liked Magnus so much that they were really interested in knowing how to breed for dogs like him. I've even been contacted by people in Georgia claiming they have found littermates to him here in Texas and wanting to know it no could verify whether or not they had indeed finally found a littermate to him lol. The most common question I was asked by the Georgia guys was why did I sale such badass dogs and not keep them for myself. I just tell them I didn't sale the bad as dogs, I still got them, I just sold the culls lol. Really they aren't culls lol I just had a different type of dog called a finder holder / hairy dog that were harder and just as good at crop work and almost as fast as a pure stag but we're bred to hunt the woods and for their nose. So I just sold the specialty dogs and kept the finder holders. I now have great Danes in addition to the finder holders. They do same finder holder work, just a more long range type of finder holder Title: Re: The long range catch dog Post by: cajunl on August 29, 2019, 07:06:07 pm I hunted with those guys and the the dog in Ga. They were moving more towards the Greyhound type dogs for the crop work when i was there. The dogs are fun for night vision and fields.
They keep curs and hounds for daytime hunting. We caught a stud boar hog with the curs and hounds after a night with the night vision. Good bunch of guys! ;-) Title: Re: The long range catch dog Post by: Judge peel on August 29, 2019, 07:10:39 pm So your saying they use night vision to find the hogs then turn those dogs out right on top of them. What’s the game in that unless it’s just for removal.
Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Title: Re: The long range catch dog Post by: cajunl on August 29, 2019, 07:23:10 pm So your saying they use night vision to find the hogs then turn those dogs out right on top of them. What’s the game in that unless it’s just for removal. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Yes. Big Crop fields. They have it set up where they can turn all the lights off inside and outside of truck. Ride and look with the night vision. They find the hogs in the field. Walk Quietly to about 100 yards or so downwind. Turn loose the sighthounds. They run in and catch the Hog/hogs. If hogs make it out of the pasture the dogs come back and you go look for more. They catch an absolute pile of hogs doing it that way. Like I said they have curs and hounds for daytime and woods hunting. Title: Re: The long range catch dog Post by: Judge peel on August 29, 2019, 07:25:03 pm That’s like fishing in a barrel lol
Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Title: Re: The long range catch dog Post by: Goose87 on August 29, 2019, 08:12:15 pm Dean I will add this, I camp at uncle earls just about every year just for the gathering, there were two black wolf hound looking dogs tied up by our camp that were sent from Oklahoma to a friend of mine In Ga that utilizes all styles of dogs over there, first time I had seen such type dogs in person and to say I was impressed is an understatement, very big and powerful athletic dogs, when the crowd dwindled and the guy who purchased the dogs was only one left I asked him if he knew you, folks on here can say what they want but I have no dog in this hunt so take it for what you want, a lot of what Black streak says about sending hot commodities to Ga was backed up by what my friend said, the fellow he purchased the two hairy dogs from supposedly knew you well according to ole boy but for the life of me I can’t remember his name...
Title: Re: The long range catch dog Post by: Black Streak on August 29, 2019, 09:00:03 pm People can hunt the type of dogs I have in just about any form or fashion there is. Just because some hunt them one way does not mean the next guy does. Y'all are just trying to demish what these dogs do because they threaten your traditions and what you have believed to be true for so long. There are many many types of RCDs. Y'all are describing stags which is not what I have. As far as the crop dog gues who post their videos on Facebook of them easing out to feeding pigs in a crop field via thermal and release a few stags to them and it being like shooting fish in a barrel, well you try it with your dogs and see how many fish you shoot lol. Bet not one is caught in the field. Your dogs would be bayed up somewhere in the trees or your bull dog would be caught on the neighbor. So don't try to act like it's some sort of cheating. I could easily turn it around and say using a strike dog to find find pigs is like shooting fish in a barrel. You guys that harp on the various forms of RCD men and how they choose to hunt there dogs are just demeaning their style because your dogs can't do it. You have 2 days of dogs to catch 1 pig. 1 set to find and another set of dogs to catch. I do with 1 dog hunting same style as yall and it takes yall 6 dogs and 2 sets to do what I do. Plus your only limited to 1 way of hunting lol. It's not me coming on here demeaning yall for being so eniffecient and needing so many dogs time I 1/3 of what I can with just 1. It's yall deamening me and making out like I cheat somehow or acting as if I just crop hunt when you can look at my pictures and clearly see that that is by far not the case.
My style threatens your traditions and long held beliefs and upsets your egos. As a result yall say derogatory things about me and my dogs in an effort to appease your own egos and to make you feel better about yourselves. I'll post some pictures yall have seen recently that disprove once again that I'm not limited to crop hunting and do a lot of woods hunting with the same dogs I crop hunt with. Title: Re: The long range catch dog Post by: Judge peel on August 29, 2019, 09:18:26 pm Well I have never said one thing about the ability of your dogs. I hunt every style there is and crops open fields bottoms rivers. What I was saying is I only relied on the dogs to find and catch. I don’t scout drop on tracks or use thermal. It’s all on the dogs. As far as baying a group and catching only one is very rare if I turn rough dogs out they usually catch there own hog and will roll out and catch more. You can do anything you want or say what ever you want I don’t have anything like a tradition I am tied to
Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Title: Re: The long range catch dog Post by: Black Streak on August 29, 2019, 11:05:51 pm Well I have never said one thing about the ability of your dogs. I hunt every style there is and crops open fields bottoms rivers. What I was saying is I only relied on the dogs to find and catch. I don’t scout drop on tracks or use thermal. It’s all on the dogs. As far as baying a group and catching only one is very rare if I turn rough dogs out they usually catch there own hog and will roll out and catch more. You can do anything you want or say what ever you want I don’t have anything like a tradition I am tied to Well I apologize for I thought you were implying that the guys that use thermal in Facebook that lead their dogs out into the field and turn them loose to pigs was like fishing in a barrel as if it was cheating. It's just their way of doing things with specialty dogs. Different styles for different folks. That is not how I catch pigs on crop fields myself. How I do it is this. My dogs ride loose in the truck bed. I pull up to a feild and kill the truck or buggy. Dogs jump off and leave out and make a circle. My way of crop dogging is a little different than the Georgia boys but both catches pigs. I just don't feel the need to lead finder holders out to a bunch of pigs when I can set in the truck or buggy and then when the catch is made, drive to the gate and drive up to the catch rather than run. Basically I do it the way bay doggers cast their dogs into and around fields. Only difference is what happens when my dogs find the pigs. Is this cheating? No. Is this anywhere close to how I.H. Cracker claims i crop dog, no. Again and this isn't for you Judge but for everyone. Just because some guys go about things one way with similar dogs or specialty dogs does not mean the next guy does things the same way when hunting crops or hunting similar dogs. No one one here that is speaking derogatory things about me or my style has never seen my style of dogs much less seen them hunt. They only experience they really have when it comes to pig dogs is curs and bull dogs. Neither of which is an all around pig dog. They have never seen 1 dog controle a big boar but they have seen many many caught hogs. There is a huge difference between being attached to and being in total controle of but they have never seen it to compare it or understand it. How can you say you have something you have never seen. I try to teach and share with those who are interested. My style is intriguing to people. My dogs are intriguing to people. I've accomplished so much thanks to the guidence and blessings from FATHER GOD. Why when people are loosing pigs to the heat or getting dogs killed when I have never lost 1 do to heat stroke or pig, is it upsetting to some that have when I share with the public what has allowed me to achieve this, or makes this possible. I desire to help people and share with people yet some people get so offended by that. I can offer so much supporting evidence but they can offer non in a lifetime of doing things. In crackers case he wanted my dogs but was never able to get them. He used to go on and on how he needed my type dogs and how they were superior to what he has and to the places he hunts. Now look what he says about them. He has never even seen a dog like mine much less seen them in action. Some people are such egotistical hypocrites. I want to believe and see the best in people. I'd much rather lift someone up than tear them down. Yet some people like cracker and warrant see me helping and sharing knowledge unique to my style that they do not posses and insist on derailing any insite I can given to those that appreciate it. Tons of people read what we post but don't have an account or dont post. They contact me in private because if the people like cracker and warrant. Case and point the guy who made an account in order to ask me if a certain guy had one of my old dogs. Lot of them go back through the archives and get my phone number and confess that they don't say anything on here because of the guys like I previously mentioned. They ask me why I put up with it. I tell them because of all the ones like you who stay secretive but value what I share about my dogs or my style. I can also stay on here because am able to let go of my ego. I've made mistakes and really try hard to set any pride aside and apologize and make right. I used to be pretty prideful and really tried hard to repent of it. Being on here really used to be hard for me. I went away for a while but during that time away I grew a lot. I returned not because it was easy for me to be on here but because I was ready. I learned what the full armor of GOD is and I learned to put it on. We not told to put on the full armor of GOD because life is easy and people are always kind, we put it on so we can quench the fiery darts. Armor is not for doing nothing and keeping to yourself, armor is for entering the battlefield. I learned what the full armor of GOD is and I learned to put it on. That is how I can be on here for those that enjoy what I bring to this forum Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Title: Re: The long range catch dog Post by: Goose87 on August 29, 2019, 11:31:18 pm People can hunt the type of dogs I have in just about any form or fashion there is. Just because some hunt them one way does not mean the next guy does. Y'all are just trying to demish what these dogs do because they threaten your traditions and what you have believed to be true for so long. There are many many types of RCDs. Y'all are describing stags which is not what I have. As far as the crop dog gues who post their videos on Facebook of them easing out to feeding pigs in a crop field via thermal and release a few stags to them and it being like shooting fish in a barrel, well you try it with your dogs and see how many fish you shoot lol. Bet not one is caught in the field. Your dogs would be bayed up somewhere in the trees or your bull dog would be caught on the neighbor. So don't try to act like it's some sort of cheating. I could easily turn it around and say using a strike dog to find find pigs is like shooting fish in a barrel. You guys that harp on the various forms of RCD men and how they choose to hunt there dogs are just demeaning their style because your dogs can't do it. You have 2 days of dogs to catch 1 pig. 1 set to find and another set of dogs to catch. I do with 1 dog hunting same style as yall and it takes yall 6 dogs and 2 sets to do what I do. Plus your only limited to 1 way of hunting lol. It's not me coming on here demeaning yall for being so eniffecient and needing so many dogs time I 1/3 of what I can with just 1. It's yall deamening me and making out like I cheat somehow or acting as if I just crop hunt when you can look at my pictures and clearly see that that is by far not the case. My style threatens your traditions and long held beliefs and upsets your egos. As a result yall say derogatory things about me and my dogs in an effort to appease your own egos and to make you feel better about yourselves. I'll post some pictures yall have seen recently that disprove once again that I'm not limited to crop hunting and do a lot of woods hunting with the same dogs I crop hunt with. Not against your style of dogs, I’ll just have to see them perform where I hunt majority of time to be convinced they’re so versatile, I’m not going to bash you on the net, I’ll just invite you to come hunt, there’s some crop land but vast majority is timber company planted pines that’s never burnt for thinning, that’s the fairest and only way I know how to actually honestly know one way or the other... Title: Re: The long range catch dog Post by: l.h.cracker on August 30, 2019, 05:23:03 am Lmfao you are a Delusional Narcissistic Psychopath.I never begged you for sh@t at the time I was clearing roads sight hunting and knew that those dogs were well suited for the work but we still got it done just like we always have.At that time you had a finished Stag you had bought and the one black gyp I believe it was Luna you were training and you used to say I can't believe your curs can do the work you do.You were also asking how to tie.My only problem with You is YOU believing your the best and that you have invented this stuff that's been going on forever and ever. I believe your dogs are good at what they do YES but your picture's continue to prove my beliefs.You have easy open country with tons of hogs and very little pressure.I have hunted similar country it's easy catching hogs in the zoo.Come to FL bring your dogs we'll load them on the airboat I'll take you huntin where I hunt public wma marsh land that is the only public place open 24/7 365 days a year in Fl with very few hogs and dog smart is a terrible understatement hogs that have been bred by the survivors who have been getting chased through hell for forever and ever by every single hog dogger in the state.Oh and its Hot its Thick and it's infested with Alligators.
Also I have friends and family all over Ga I hunt there even hunted with dogs like yours you don't know where I have been or who I know or what I have seen.I don't post every single hunt on the internet. Title: Re: The long range catch dog Post by: Black Streak on August 30, 2019, 09:48:06 am Lmfao you are a Delusional Narcissistic Psychopath.I never begged you for sh@t at the time I was clearing roads sight hunting and knew that those dogs were well suited for the work but we still got it done just like we always have.At that time you had a finished Stag you had bought and the one black gyp I believe it was Luna you were training and you used to say I can't believe your curs can do the work you do.You were also asking how to tie.My only problem with You is YOU believing your the best and that you have invented this stuff that's been going on forever and ever. I believe your dogs are good at what they do YES but your picture's continue to prove my beliefs.You have easy open country with tons of hogs and very little pressure.I have hunted similar country it's easy catching hogs in the zoo.Come to FL bring your dogs we'll load them on the airboat I'll take you huntin where I hunt public wma marsh land that is the only public place open 24/7 365 days a year in Fl with very few hogs and dog smart is a terrible understatement hogs that have been bred by the survivors who have been getting chased through hell for forever and ever by every single hog dogger in the state.Oh and its Hot its Thick and it's infested with Alligators. Also I have friends and family all over Ga I hunt there even hunted with dogs like yours you don't know where I have been or who I know or what I have seen.I don't post every single hunt on the internet. You are trying to twist what you said. You try to twist your way into turning the focus to stags which are not the dogs I have or am referring to. You were highly interested in the finder holders and obtaining them, not the stags. Why? Because you wanted better dogs suited to finding and catching the pigs in the woods. Now your making out like you wanted stags for some type of open country which was never the case. I'll post your own introduction to me for all to see and read your own words Title: Re: The long range catch dog Post by: Black Streak on August 30, 2019, 09:53:20 am This is I.H. Crackers message to me. Does it support the claims he now makes or prove hypocracy?(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20190830/7a3d7ccd05bf5cdb5430c7b22f1d9d8c.jpg)
Sent from my SAMSUNG-SM-G890A using Tapatalk Title: Re: The long range catch dog Post by: l.h.cracker on August 30, 2019, 11:12:39 am Well what does that prove I said that I was interested in those dogs at one time.I also didn't have the same dogs or family of dogs and by no means the caliber dogs I own now.I was also hunting a place that was infested with hogs like your places and had no idea what type of person you were either.I have no interest in anything you own and not a jealous bone in my body my lifes great lol.I just think your delusional thank god you taught texas and ga how to catch hogs keep up thegood work.Give me a shout when you decide to come to FL I'd be happy to ride you to the swamp.
Title: Re: The long range catch dog Post by: Black Streak on August 30, 2019, 11:25:17 am Well what does that prove I said that I was interested in those dogs at one time.I also didn't have the same dogs or family of dogs and by no means the caliber dogs I own now.I was also hunting a place that was infested with hogs like your places and had no idea what type of person you were either.I have no interest in anything you own and not a jealous bone in my body my lifes great lol.I just think your delusional thank god you taught texas and ga how to catch hogs keep up thegood work.Give me a shout when you decide to come to FL I'd be happy to ride you to the swamp. What that proves is you have been a hypocrite all this time that you have been talking smack. Now your changing your tune and redirecting your previous smack talk when faced with your own words. And I have no need to come to Florida to hunt with a hypocrite. I hunt the swamps in the delta if the gulf of Mexico with my dogs each year and do really good. You yourself even claim in your own words my type dogs are better suited for catching pigs where you hunt than your own lol Title: Re: The long range catch dog Post by: Judge peel on August 30, 2019, 11:35:35 am Basically what I was getting at is if your using thermal to locate the hogs that is taking away from the performance of the dog. Now if your doing that because of removal goals that’s a job completed not a enhancement of the dog it’s self
Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Title: Re: The long range catch dog Post by: l.h.cracker on August 30, 2019, 12:07:27 pm Prolly best you don't come to FL I don't deal with smart mouth know it alls very well I'm more of a stomp your @ss now deal with the consequences later type don't do much talkin.Im done lettin u under my skin on the web.
Title: Re: The long range catch dog Post by: cajunl on August 30, 2019, 01:59:54 pm Sighthounds are named that for a reason! The greyhounds were out of coyote hunters in the Kansas Prairie. Not the race kind.
Title: Re: The long range catch dog Post by: Black Streak on August 30, 2019, 02:08:37 pm Basically what I was getting at is if your using thermal to locate the hogs that is taking away from the performance of the dog. Now if your doing that because of removal goals that’s a job completed not a enhancement of the dog it’s self Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Once again you are wrong. Let's pretend you have a straight catch 1 out big boar cur that finds really well in the woods. You buy a thermal device and you use that device to look at fields. Now that you are able to see into fields and you release this really good woods hunting 1 out big boar hard cur dog to them. If this pretend dog of yours was able to consistently catch in the field, did that take anything away from the dog or did it just add to the list of ways that dog can be used. Title: Re: The long range catch dog Post by: Black Streak on August 30, 2019, 02:09:15 pm Sighthounds are named that for a reason! The greyhounds were out of coyote hunters in the Kansas Prairie. Not the race kind. Who is using sight hounds? Title: Re: The long range catch dog Post by: Judge peel on August 30, 2019, 02:20:44 pm How the hell am I wrong that’s your opinion vs my opinion. And I don’t have any pretend dogs what on earth are you talking about. Now if the dog itself can use the thermal then that’s different are you picking a fight with me ? I don’t like the attitude your casting towards me I ain’t said one dam thing bout you or your dogs.
Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Title: Re: The long range catch dog Post by: Black Streak on August 30, 2019, 02:51:33 pm Prolly best you don't come to FL I don't deal with smart mouth know it alls very well I'm more of a stomp your @ss now deal with the consequences later type don't do much talkin.Im done lettin u under my skin on the web. You call me a narcissist but your the one with the attitude problem and threatening violence. Your are the proven hypocrite as proven by the screen shot I posted of the message you sent me. You are the one who has never seen finder holders like I hunt. You are the one twisting finder holders into stags when that's about like confusing a pit for a whippet. You are the one who can't produce 1 shred of evidence in the entirety of your life to back up your claims of having truely 1 out curs and you yourself even say are shown to say just the opposite, that your curs are truely not 1 out dogs. You are jealous because my dogs are so versital and effecient. You try every way you can think of to demean me and deminish the effectiveness and versatility of my type dogs. Your claim to fame in all if this is that you hunt swamp stuff. Big whooppy, I do it about 1 or 2 times a year, just adds to the credentials of my dogs. Yet by listening to you, that's about the only place your dogs can catch. You catch pigs on their terms which is why you do better in the thick stuff than you do in the woods or open areas where they feed. Catching in the thick stuff does not mean your dogs are better, it actually means they need the thick stuff in order to catch because the thick stuff is on the pigs terms. Yet you have this crazy mindset that only real pig dogs catch in the swamps and thick stuff lol. Ummm, no but you have clearly convinced yourself of that. You are the one who claims to know people who don't have dogs like I do and don't hunt like I do and site that as proof I don't do what I clearly show I do in the pictures I post. You keep moving the goal post when I prove you wrong. Again you have not 1 single shred of evidence to support your claims of 1 out cur dogs, you are proven to say you do not truely have 1 out cur dogs, you threaten me with violence, you call me names and I have done none of that. You can not prove what you claim, you threaten violence, you call me names, you have no experience with finder holders and you don't even know what one is because you confuse them with stags. You claim you know people who have never met me, don't have dogs off my yard, don't hunt like I do, and don't have the type dogs I do and you use this as some sort of evidence to prove I don't do What my pictures clearly show I do. Can you define narcissist? Appears to me that the narcissist has exposed himself. Title: Re: The long range catch dog Post by: Black Streak on August 30, 2019, 03:20:33 pm How the hell am I wrong that’s your opinion vs my opinion. And I don’t have any pretend dogs what on earth are you talking about. Now if the dog itself can use the thermal then that’s different are you picking a fight with me ? I don’t like the attitude your casting towards me I ain’t said one dam thing bout you or your dogs. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Sir I again owe you an apology! I regretfully took the content of your comment and assumed it was from one of the two guys I was in battle with. I am very sorry for the character in which I addressed you. I do not mean any disrespect to you or your dogs for I was not aware that it was you I was talking to. I sincerely apologize and will double check who I'm quoting in the future when I'm defending myself or on the attack lol I do stand by the comment I made about a good woods dog being able to do thermal work and how that woukd only add to its versatility and credentials but I totally retract the statement about the pretend 1 out big boar cur dog as being your dog lol. You and I have always remaind respectful to one another and able to talk openly about any differences we see or hold and I am sorry to have put that in jeapordy by the mistaken identity and the character in which I addressed you Title: Re: The long range catch dog Post by: l.h.cracker on August 30, 2019, 04:06:21 pm Lol Pretty Much Sums You up Ol Blackstreak.(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20190830/2520b16598ae007b8078dccb4e0f35b7.jpg)
Sent from my LM-Q720 using Tapatalk Title: Re: The long range catch dog Post by: Black Streak on August 30, 2019, 08:39:40 pm Lol Pretty Much Sums You up Ol Blackstreak.(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20190830/2520b16598ae007b8078dccb4e0f35b7.jpg) Sent from my LM-Q720 using Tapatalk Has an exaggerated sense of self importance. Tell me how that is when your the one that comes in to an educational thread and blows it up into a personal arguememt. Second explains your jealous interruption to the threads 3rd explains a person that can't offer any proof that gives merits to his claims. Hmmm that's you again 4th goes right along with your inability to provide 1 shred of evidence in your life that you have 1 out cur dogs which by the way you admitted to in a private message 5th is about how you behave with your mate/spouse. Your batting 1000 so far so we can presume this also applies to you as well. But I have no evidence other than the pattern of behavior you have previously exhibited. 6th is a perfect explanation for your jealousy and attempts to demean and is why you try to argue my dogs as if they were stags rather than what they actually are. This is also the reason why you argue against what is clearly shown in the pictures I post. As if you are convinced people are gonna believe you over their lying eyes lol 7th describes your actions once again. You are derogatory and call me names, threaten me with violence and interupt my threads by creating an argument. This hijacks the thread and monopolized it into your own personal feud which you use no proof to back up your emotional argument against hardcore evidence. Where have I ever called you names or threatened you. Where have I ever gone on one of your threads and started an argument or been disrespectful? Are you seeing it now? A narcisisit will not see himself as such. He is usually very intelligent and at first seems picture perfect but that soon fades. He becomes increasingly controlling and manipulative. He usually has an ego complex and a superiority complex. When he is caught he will not accept responsibility and his actions he blames on others. This is what little I know about a narcissist. I kept my mouth shut about you and didn't accuse you of being one to the public despite the evidence leading me to suspect you were one. Now that you got caught for the second time by your own addmition and incriminating evidence that you fit perfectly into the definition of a narcisit which you posted, I can hold the mirror up to you so you can see what a narcisit really is as he is broken down line by line using the proof that is so fresh and abundantly presented in this thread. Doesn't the Bible warn against pointing out the sty in another's eye when you are unaware of the log in your own eye. Casey, I hold nothing against you but I am aware of your narcissistic characteristics and the hypocracy which you operate under when you hijack my threads. I hold nothing against you for it is not flesh and blood that we battle against but the powers and principalities that operate within us and manipulate and controle us. I pray your spiritual eyes and ears are opened and you be given a heart of understanding. I really hope you take what has been presented to you here and you are able to make corrections. I extend you the invitation to contact me if you ever get to a place you'd like to seek repentance at and seek the comfort, correction, and grace of our HEAVENLY FATHER. Title: Re: The long range catch dog Post by: Goose87 on August 31, 2019, 01:35:16 am Well what does that prove I said that I was interested in those dogs at one time.I also didn't have the same dogs or family of dogs and by no means the caliber dogs I own now.I was also hunting a place that was infested with hogs like your places and had no idea what type of person you were either.I have no interest in anything you own and not a jealous bone in my body my lifes great lol.I just think your delusional thank god you taught texas and ga how to catch hogs keep up thegood work.Give me a shout when you decide to come to FL I'd be happy to ride you to the swamp. What that proves is you have been a hypocrite all this time that you have been talking smack. Now your changing your tune and redirecting your previous smack talk when faced with your own words. And I have no need to come to Florida to hunt with a hypocrite. I hunt the swamps in the delta if the gulf of Mexico with my dogs each year and do really good. You yourself even claim in your own words my type dogs are better suited for catching pigs where you hunt than your own lol Dean not being pessimistic at all, just curious, what delta do you hunt on the Gulf of Mexico, I’m dang near smack in the middle of the coastline of the GOM, 6 hours west I can be in Galveston area 6 hours east I can be on the east side of Panama City Fla, lots of varying terrain and conditions in that span, if you’re ever in between those two areas I’d like to make a hunt, your place or mine, egos will be left where they belong, on here, no bragging rights or smack talking, just show casing two different styles of dogs and sharing what little knowledge on dogs we’ve scrapped up over time... Title: Re: The long range catch dog Post by: RafterbarK on August 31, 2019, 08:32:29 am LH and blackstreak see if y’all are up for a few questions. How long have you been hunting?
Where did your bloodline of dogs come from? Family,friends or did you buy? Title: Re: The long range catch dog Post by: Reuben on August 31, 2019, 10:21:35 am Lol Pretty Much Sums You up Ol Blackstreak.(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20190830/2520b16598ae007b8078dccb4e0f35b7.jpg) Sent from my LM-Q720 using Tapatalk If you read blackstreaks past posts and threads you will see that anyone who has a different opinion than his is wrong and he will lecture you on why you are wrong. Usually he will be very rude about it especially if you disagree even though we all know this website should be about sharing knowledge and opinions… I will venture out to say that blackstreak is very intelligent and perceptive and at the same time he is delusional about many things… For instance…I see is that his dogs catch all the hogs in the open…when he said in the woods the pictures were all in the open again…natural woods can be open but cutovers in the woods can be very thick…and in those type ofwoods we usually need hogs dogs that have hound, mt cur or hound crosses, or curs that have been bred for hunting that are willing to track in those woods for hours if needed… Long range catch dogs…of course out in the open with thermal vision and with the right wind conditions most any hog dog can wind a long ways and with little training the dog will learn the concept…but if a hog runs out in front of you and it is thick woods in a big place where the hogs are dog smart I do not think these dogs will work…I could and can tell you why but of course I will be told I am wrong… Right now the only dog I see in his pack that catches solid is the red dog…he looks to have red nose pit somewhere in the woodpile which is fine with me…just saying. I do not see how the red dog can breed true…it takes generations when starting from scratch…then everyone involved must have the same mindset to breed such a dog in a consistent manner…not saying it isn’t doable at all but it will be a challenge…there will be many culls and the challenge will be in keeping the right ones… The boar hounds…which are fancy words for Great Danes…for several hundred years in general, these dogs have been bred as pets or show dogs…so breeding the ultimate hog dog from these dogs is like winning the lotto… I have already had my discussions with blackstreak and will not do so again because I figured out a long time ago he is a narcissist and also seems to have psychopathic tendencies as well… I do not understand why there are those that support this behavior…and those that go up against the blackstreak are up against someone who probably does not have empathy towards others to put it mildly… On a good note…blackstreak is trying to act better…his writings are not as rude as they have been in the past…the problem is that it doesn’t come natural to him…but at least he is working on it… Title: Re: The long range catch dog Post by: Bowtech99 on August 31, 2019, 11:07:42 am This has been a good read
Title: Re: The long range catch dog Post by: l.h.cracker on August 31, 2019, 02:47:50 pm My old thunder dog, the stag I used to have that lit Georgia on fire for stags. Lmao You Sir are truly in your own world.They been using Stags and Stag crosses in Ga for crop work for 50 yrs lol.Why do you think your the first to do this stuff these crossed up big running catch dogs have been around forever WAY BEFORE YOU FOUND THEM. LH and blackstreak see if y’all are up for a few questions. How long have you been hunting? This was why I commented not a pissin match.I am just tired of reading the same old stuff from blackstreak.He truly believes he has invented this stuff that's been around forever in many parts of the country.The Dogs are not new the styles not new just new to him.That was all I was saying.Where did your bloodline of dogs come from? Family,friends or did you buy? I have been around working dogs my entire life my great grandfather had a beef and pork production style ranch including slaughter and packing facilities he used dogs for the work.I got into hog hunting about 7 yrs ago.I admit I was a FOOL to begin with and believed I had good dogs until I saw a true quality dog work.At first I ran a pack of alligators with very little self preservation or brains.Cambell Curs from Ga basically bird bull cross and FL dogs but not anything like the ones I hunt and breed now.I then obtained a cracker gyp from a friend from a quality line of dogs that have bred right and culled hard for countless generations she showed me what a quality dog was before she died she is still the best hog dog I've ever been behind hands down.If there was a hog in the area she found it and when she found you caught it whether it was right there or 8hrs later she had more heart ,sense and guts than anything I have seen.She knew when to bay and when to catch and never really suffered any damage.Luckily I bred her before I lost her to a gator to another phenom type dog from another ranch family down here with the same type of standards and got what I have now since then I have also obtained her sister and have breeding rights to her grandfather I have a son and daughter of hers that are making great dogs and even have some of her grandpups in the yard as well right now all my dogs are related from these old old lines of crackers and I wouldn't trade them for the world.They wind and trail extremely well and know when to catch and when to back up.If I send them on a hog and they know I'm right there its caught if they're 2 miles away they bay till I show up. I use a bulldog because I like bulldogs and feel this takes a lot of risk off my dogs therefore extending their careers.Do I use them one out no I do not and don't feel the need to just to prove a point.I enjoy hunting the way I do and more importantly I love my dogs and that's all that really matters I reckon. Title: Re: The long range catch dog Post by: t-dog on August 31, 2019, 03:36:58 pm Cracker, were the dogs you bred your gyp to and the gyp both crackers or completely in related? Just curious, it doesn't matter either way. I guess I was trying to figure out what your hybrid vigor might be like crossing 2 line bred families. 2 line bred dogs out of 2 different sides of the same family of dogs would likely yield a different result than 2 line bred dogs out of completely unrelated families.
Sent from my SM-G892U using Tapatalk Title: Re: The long range catch dog Post by: l.h.cracker on August 31, 2019, 05:53:51 pm T-Dog they were two unrelated families of line bred Cracker Curs.Although I do suspect the two Ranches did a little crossing back and to over the years.The Mommas side is extremely tight bred and after talking with the men who have had these dogs for many generations they felt an outcross to the male I chose was a smart move.
Title: Re: The long range catch dog Post by: t-dog on August 31, 2019, 07:35:49 pm Sounds like a good cross. You were lucky to get something like that.
Sent from my SM-G892U using Tapatalk Title: Re: The long range catch dog Post by: Reuben on August 31, 2019, 07:55:24 pm Casey, I remember the pictures of that female you were so high on...she was a looker and I offered to buy her from you...lol...I knew it was a long shot Title: Re: The long range catch dog Post by: t-dog on August 31, 2019, 08:24:49 pm What color are your dogs? The crackers I've seen were black/tan or red.
Sent from my SM-G892U using Tapatalk Title: Re: The long range catch dog Post by: l.h.cracker on August 31, 2019, 08:44:51 pm They throw black and tans ,yellas and Reds.My next two breedings are Hambone who is my 1/2 outcross to his Aunt Rye Who is Holly's sister and pure on his momma Holly's line .Then His Sister Ginger same 1/2 outcross to her Granddaddy who is also pure on Holly and Ryes same side.
Title: Re: The long range catch dog Post by: t-dog on August 31, 2019, 09:14:27 pm Sounds like smart breeding
Sent from my SM-G892U using Tapatalk Title: Re: The long range catch dog Post by: Goose87 on August 31, 2019, 09:20:32 pm Cracker what side do you think contributed the most to your Holly dog being of that caliber, was she more like her mother or father?
Title: Re: The long range catch dog Post by: Reuben on August 31, 2019, 09:21:44 pm They throw black and tans ,yellas and Reds.My next two breedings are Hambone who is my 1/2 outcross to his Aunt Rye Who is Holly's sister and pure on his momma Holly's line .Then His Sister Ginger same 1/2 outcross to her Granddaddy who is also pure on Holly and Ryes same side. It’s a great plan... Title: Re: The long range catch dog Post by: RafterbarK on August 31, 2019, 09:25:50 pm Nice. What ranches in Florida did they come off of LH?
Title: Re: The long range catch dog Post by: l.h.cracker on August 31, 2019, 09:33:24 pm Her Mother ,Her Grandmother and Her Great Grandmother were all The Best dogs ever owned by the three different gentlemen who owned them.Her Grandfather and 2 of her uncles I knew of were as good as they get as well.All very similar in styles and ability.Trail and wind dogs naturally relay tons of sense.Her Daddy was a super fast really rough dog and a physical specimen but definitely not the dog her momma is.
Title: Re: The long range catch dog Post by: l.h.cracker on August 31, 2019, 09:45:17 pm I'm not really comfortable dropping their names on the internet as I am not the one responsible for these dogs I was just fortunate enough to get ahold of the right ones and roll with it for my own hunting I have not sold any and only placed them with close hunting friends where I can keep tabs and breed back to if necessary and that's what I plan on doing for the rest of my days.We try to do the same with our bulldogs as well trying to gain traction with stable well built catchdogs.
Title: Re: The long range catch dog Post by: Goose87 on August 31, 2019, 10:30:49 pm Her Mother ,Her Grandmother and Her Great Grandmother were all The Best dogs ever owned by the three different gentlemen who owned them.Her Grandfather and 2 of her uncles I knew of were as good as they get as well.All very similar in styles and ability.Trail and wind dogs naturally relay tons of sense.Her Daddy was a super fast really rough dog and a physical specimen but definitely not the dog her momma is. Stacking that strong female line, smart moves and setting yourself up for good producers in the brood box and bushes... Title: Re: The long range catch dog Post by: Bowtech99 on September 01, 2019, 08:05:32 am Cracked, do you have some pictures of your current pack at least? They sound like they are exceptional dogs.
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