EAST TEXAS HOG DOGGERS FORUM

Got a pup from a cowboy buddy of mine that’s had some fine yella cow dogs for years to churn up the blood I have in the yard freshen things up and she is marked up like a traditional bmc but everything that would be black is a reddish brown color (muzzle, nails, pads etc.) man said they’ve been turning out to be the better cow dogs he has
Talked to another very knowledgeable dog man and he said they were pretty common  and they always breed back true (black markings) I was just curious if anyone else had some colored up similar
Also included a picture with her littermate sister
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Ive had plenty darken up with age too. That said lighten up as well, my gyp right now looks like a standard BMC but when they were born to 8 weeks old looked like a Rottweiler jumped my fence. My male right now is out of long line of BMCs and the owner told me to cull him bc he has a white blaze on his chest and white patch on his nose but he hunts so good I cant... Line breeding brings it all out imo

That pink or red pigment isn’t going to affect her. I don’t know what the registry standards are on that but it doesn’t matter if she performs and you aren’t trying to raise registered dogs. If the breeder likes them as much as he says then you may be all the better for having her. It is a recessive trait that’s why it only shows now and then. It takes 2 dogs that possess that gene being bred together to get it. Even then it won’t produce 100% and when those dogs are bred back they shouldn’t produce it unless bred to a dog that carries the gene. As said, line breeding will expose lots of things.


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I don’t care for registered dogs I’ve owned a few and never had one worth feeding just my opinion lol

I like the way she looks, was just curious how often anyone else had seen it. with it being a recessive trait that makes since as to why I haven’t seen it before

As long as she produces hogs and has all the traits in looking for she’ll stay around I don’t care if she turns purple with green spots, but yes the two men that I had talked to prior to making the post both said she would breed back true(with black markings)

I appreciate all of y’all input and advice so far!


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She looks good I feel same way pink green purple don't matter if they hunt and do there job

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Yessir as long as they pull their weight I’ll feed them

I do prefer a yard full of good looking yella dogs tho


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I like good yella dogs to I was raised with bunch of yella cowdogs and I have had few good yella hog dogs got some old leopard dogs now been bred here for awhile

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Those red nosed, red muzzled dogs are just like anything else/the more of it you have in a blood line the more of it you will get. I have had a few through the years and don't like it, therefore I never would breed one and it has been a really long time since I had one. The reason I don't like it is because it is a "lack" of pigment, which is a weakness in most all mammals. I don't like those with a blue nose and muzzle either for the same reasons. Now with that all said I would use a good one just wouldn't want to breed or especially line breed on it. I have heard of a few people that like it and say those were typically the better dogs in their strain.
I am not a "color" breeder but do try to avoid anything I consider a potential physical weakness. Don't like bobtails either therefore don't have any here. A few years ago I did breed a bobtailed gyp for a fellow and all the puppies were long tailed and the one I got "don't know about the others" produced all long tailed dogs. In it's extreme state you will see more spinal and hip problems in bobtails.

That’s good information to know!
My original plan was to hunt both of them and if they both turned out breed to the black faced gyp to freshen up the blood I have already not to center them for all my breeding unless they turn out to be superstars, I’m more focused on using the red faced gyp in the woods than ever breeding to her unless I run out of other options

Unless they both don’t turn out then they’ll make fertilizer


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I have two male littermates that are Ladner BMC’s, both of them have pink noses, whine nails, pink pads, and no mask. Both the parents looked like traditional black mouths. The litter came out with only a few black masks.


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Got a litter of pups on the ground right now that a male and female came out like that that goes back to there Daddys momma side he daddy was pink nose all in I’m not worried how they came out or look as long as they make dogs have high hopes on the pups.. there grandma was supposed to be out a dog name d.o.g he was Supposedly a 75% tank dog and was bred to a Cox chigger dog if I’m not mistaken but my stories might be wrong but that’s what I was told when I got her

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This the female with male on her left side
 
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This the male


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These leopard dogs I jack with will throw it. My sketch dog has produced one pink nose pup in both of her litters. Old man told me If i got more than one in a litter I was getting too tight and it was time to out cross.


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In the catahoula/leopard type dogs the lack of pigmentation is usually closely associated with deafness and blindness. Pink pigment and no hair color on the head is almost a guaranteed that the dog will be deaf or blind or both. I don’t know how far away from that the pink pigmented yella dogs are.


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I’m glad you brought that up that’s definitely something I’ll be trying to research I don’t want to potentially put those genetics in my dogs if it could potentially cause me to throw blind/deaf dogs


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Good looking pups I like their head shape and how their ears sit


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Thank you if there half as good as they look I’ll be happy lol

I haven't ever known of a BMC or one of the yellow dogs with the red nose being blind nor deaf.

I haven’t seen it myself either mostly like was stated earlier dogs that have white heads (cats, dogo’s etc.)

I’m not saying it’s not possible tho definitely worth looking into from a breeding aspect IMO


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There was a line of foundation dogs in Florida that were bred a lot to show that pink nose trait. A buddy has one know and she is a sure enough hog dogs. But Ive seen some duds with it also over the years.

Speaking about the yella dogs going blind, the daddy to both of the males I’ve got is probably going on 9-10 years old now... he is owned by a guy that got wrapped up in a bunch of stuff and burned bridges with everybody I associate with, so I haven’t been around him in several years, but from what I was told that dog is completely blind now (I think just from hunting 4-5 days a week for his whole life and getting tore up in briars) and he apparently still hunts and produces pigs. He was a freak superstar dog in his prime


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Doesn’t matter but does this male have pink pigment or is he the standard black trim. That’s pretty interesting that he’s still producing. Tells me he likely has partial vision anyway. I don’t know the history but if he’s all that and kin to your dogs, I would at least try to buy a collection or two off of him. Depending on your goals and determination, it would likely pay off down the line. Freaks don’t usually produce more freaks, but it’s always been my philosophy to breed to the extreme to get the high end of average. It doesn’t make sense not to breed to a freak if everything else is right. JMO


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To my knowledge these dogs have never thrown a dog with any substantial amount of white, both pups out of sketch with pink nose were yella dogs. One looked just like the pup the OP posted, and the one from this litter is yellow/fawn brindle


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Dogs being blind from "albinism" and going blind, or partially blind in old age from say, cataracts due to continual bruising, or just plain old age eyesight deterioration etc is totally different. I, like t-dog would not think the 9/10 yr old dog would genetically pass any problem to his offspring.

T-dog, that freak superstar was a Ladner dog with standard black trim. He was bred to another Ladner with black trim and produced pink trim in half the litter. The man that owned him is not on good terms with me or anyone else I know anymore, so unfortunately there’s no chance of getting any sperm from him. Before the man burned bridges, my mentor bred that dog (he completely made that dog. The owner brought him to him at 11 months old and my mentor hunted him and kept him at his house for years. The actual owner would only come get him if he wanted to hunt once every few months and would bring him back after the hunt) to a really nice game bred pit and produced amazing pups. My old lead dog Dum Dum  was produced in the last of 3 litters between those two dogs. I had every intention of breeding him to try and develop my own dogs off of him, and it never worked out. Now I have his full littermate sister retired for breeding. She wasn’t nearly as good of a dog as Dum Dum, but every single one of their littermates made a dog, some were average, quite a few were well above average. She was accidentally bred once before and the only pup that survived is a nice dog that I use as an RCD. I’m hoping that she will produce dogs better than herself. The RCD I have out of her has much more drive and endurance than the mom has. She tends to act more like Dum Dum did when hunting.

The cross with the original male BMC and the other female BMC did not produce great dogs that I know of. Seems like most turned out to be average. The cross with the female pit on the other hand seemed to click like stars aligning. Out of the three litters that happened, I only know of 3 dogs still surviving and one is that female that I have.


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agreed