EAST TEXAS HOG DOGGERS FORUM

I am sure if you don't read this site this message will get relayed to you through someone that does.

IT IS HUNTING SEASON and your dogs are Crossing property LINES onto HUNTING CLUB LAND.
THIS MORNING I GET A CALL ONE OF YOUR DOGS COME UP TO A FELLA ON HIS LAND WEARING an UGLY DOG RANCH CUT COLLAR. THATS WHY MY PHONE RANG.

MCCORMICK & Esqarvell land borders the MUSTANG HUNTING CLUB off of MUSTAng Road, so you know who you are, and your dog was on this mans land, and that is not right, YOUR ARE MESSING IT UP FOR ALL DOG HUNTERS

People Wonder why it is hard to get permission to hunt property with their dogs, and its like this Middle of Duck & Deer season and some people can't help themselves.
I am sure tis guy will be talking to his neighbors and his neighbors will most likely have the same opinion of HOG DOG HUNTERS.

So If YOU CAN"T FIND YOUR DOG go down MUSTANG ROAD and NEAR the old Iron Gates is where the man seen the dog go to

That's a good one Krystal. TELL IT LIKE IT IS  That's the reason I don't wear name plates and such on my dogs LMAO Seriosly well said you go girl but there will always be a bad apple in the barrel

Krystal some people are just dumb. Then they whine because there dogs get shot.

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Before anyone gets upset here I do not know the story so im just asking and just thinking ouside the box but was the dog running deer, taking ducks from the retreivers or bothering someones livestock? I do know this, there is alot of hog control done for farmers in that area and nomatter what time a year it is they still want hogs off their fields. It almost sounds like yall are suggesting all dogging stop during these other hunting seasons. Again just asking.

X2       I don't know a dog one that won't cross a fence......

My comment was a little off topic from the original post, it had more to do with BoarBuster's commentt.  People turn out in deer season, next to hunting leases, then complain when a weekend warrior shoots their dog.  Not exactly the case here....but  it can turn that way quick.

My first thought was why dont they have a tracking system and collars on their dogs?

I definitely agree with considering deer hunters, season and neighboring properties but who really knows? The most logical theory is some jack ace was not being too smart or taking care of business and could very well possibly be a bad apple.....but it may not be the case as well.

My area is loaded with deer hunters. I quit hunting 7 ranches during deer season but do hunt 1. That one ranch I hunt has 2800 acres with no hunters and no hunters on the joining two ranches of 2500 acres and 1200 acres. That is 6500 acres to hunt. I have an additional 5000 with retrieval rights and permission after deer season.

I still hunt the 6500 acres during deer season and have had the dogs just last week get on the 2500 acres with hunters. That kinda makes things difficult and for the most part can keep my dogs on the 6500 acres.

Sometimes things happen and I cant cut the dogs off or they range or trail too far. I would hate to be the big jack ace yall are talking about if that happened to me.  ;D

Only difference in me is...I only hunt during the night and notify the hunters or land owners (if a situation is to occur), have tracking collars and would never leave without my dog(s).

I'm not gonna quit hunting because of deer season.  I'm more careful but I still go.  The dog may have been out since the night before.  I'm willing to bet that anyone who has dogs that are remotely decent has their dogs get off a property at some point.  That or they are some kind of exception. 

Just as Craig stated, these farmers want the hogs out of there fields regardless of what hunting season it is. I hunt for a couple of them in the same area that butts up next to this place. Like stated above, I'll bet it was someone that was hunting it the night before and hasn't been able to retrieve the dog.

I thought that's why we paid dues to TDHA so that we could educate and bring people around to hog dogs as a viable tool in reducing damage to Ag crops by feral hogs??? ??? ??? ???

That sure does look bad for the rest of us, thats a big part of the reason why so many think we cut fences and run dogs w/o permission, sure hate to see that, and an ugly collar on top, makes it seem that yall are associated and support folks like that.....But we all know better ;)

It might look bad to someone who is thinking he leased the land to duck hunt and in his mind that is the only hunting allowed at that time. When at the same time the farmer has someone hunting it for hogs. Most of this property is leased for hunting from someone other than the farmer. The hunting club and the farmer are leasing from the same investors.

We should all be running tracking on all dogs this time of year, and try and make sure we retrieve all dogs that are being hunted. I am also working depridation controll and we talk to ajoining land owners and hunters so they know what is going on.

Mustang hunting club is only for dove hunting an besides they aint no tellin where that dog came from the hogs run so bad in this area its not funny.

I'am sure not every dog hunter out there has or can afford a tracking unit. Silverton, most of these farm fields in the location are only seperated by a ditch, and the same farmer might have the field on the other side of the one you need to cross. I don't leave any dogs in the field if I can avoid it. If for some reason I have to leave one I'll call and let the farmer know that it is still out.

I agree with some of your other posts and do not know the situation and/ or the hunting terms of this particular situation. If a dogger (especially a hog dogger) cannot afford a tracking unit of some sort...IMO they do not need to be hunting.

Well IMO if you dont have a tracking you can still hunt but if your dog crosses property lines that you dont have permission to hunt on be prepared for the consequences if someone tries to be hard a$$ about it. ;)

That was a little bit of a controversial statement I made but with primarily silent tracking dogs and so many different dangers of hogs and situations....it is unfair to your dog to not have a system.

If it was every man for himself and your attitude didn't effect the hog dog community as a whole, I'd say go for, be an idiot, piss off landowners and neighbors and fellow hunters and deal with the consequences. The problem is it does effect everyone. Not only does it put all of our dogs in danger, you letting your pack run all over the county could result in everyone losing the right to hunt. Chasing hogs with dogs is not an inalienable right. It can and will get banned if hunters are irresponsible.

I know everyone can make a mistake and dogs can't read signs. That doesn't mean you are entitled to hunt wherever and however you want. So maybe you can't afford a tracking system. But if you can't afford the phone calls and gas necessary to get retrieval rights from each and every landowner surrounding the properties you hunt, even the ones who own the ditch you cross, then no, you don't need to be hunting.

We hunt the mustang club property and it isn't nothing for the dogs to get off that poperty in a hurry so we only really take pups there now. Last time we hunted it with older dogs we picked them up on some of our other property like 3 miles away as the crow flies. A nd yes they were running hogs not deer as some might think . Got to them and they were baying in the bayou but didn't not bring the catch dogs it was almost daylight by this point and we got to them and called them off.

It is all about respect for yourself, your dogs, your nieghbor, your fellow hunters and if a guy has paid to have hunting rights, on a place he should not have his hunt ruined by another that has no respect.
I don't quit hunting either but I am limited, WHY? because I don't want my dogs running in front of somebody with a loaded gun in his hand that has permission to be where he is at. When my dogs might not have permission.
Because someone leases land and wants the hogs gone, and another guy pays for a lease on the same land who is right? who is going to pay the price when something bad happens? Because your dogs can't read does not make it okay for them to be there. Who is going to change the way folks think about hog hunters?

hey guys i never make any post or post ne pics i just get on and look at pics and read what yall got good to say but i wanted to say somthin about this and i do know krystal she may not now me by name but i have met her several times all i want to do is point out a few things i live near alvin i dont hunt there i have once or twice but the thing is everyone is talkin about deer season and duck season and messin it up for other hunters well i do all 3 and honestly when deer season gets around thats when i run the most dogs!!!! i have a farmer that insist that i hunt during deerseason to keep the pigs off the feeders i run at night and no one cares.... ppl say all the time that hogs run deer off of feeders so if u dont hunt there then the pigs r there so how much since does that make to stop runnin dogs? and i promise u if ur dog does not go on other ppls land u have a thousand dollar dog i can garuntee u my dogs r gonna go to some one elses property and catch pigs thats just the way pigs r i hunt a prison farm that but ups to one of my best friends house where the one thousands of acres of land and i have had to call him several times and tell him hey im n ur place got pigs bayed up so and so and i hunt his place to but only with him so i dont understand y ppl r gonna call ppl out if u have a problem with ppl callin u complaining dont put ur phone number on the stuff u sell makes sense to me honestly i wont buy it i just bought to texas boar bibs and im gettin the patch takin off by my aunt im sorry if i have stepped on anyone toes but u shouldnt wear ur feelings on ur shoulder........

It's easy to tell by the replys that some have no respect and don't give a damn whether their dogs get shot or not by a pissed off hunter????

The point here is... it's hunting season. Dogs going onto others properties that pay dearly for hunting rights is what give hog hunters the "outlaw" reputation that we have!!!!

Again I was not trying to stir the pot here. I don't drop my dogs without a track collar, All my dogs have my cell number on them which is with me at all times, Very seldom do i hunt small tracks and if I do its not during deer season. I do give a damn about my dogs and their well being...If anyone does not beleive that ask my check book. But I will say I have left dogs out over night..went home..or back to the truck layed there sleepless wandering if some dumb a$$ was going to steel them or shoot them. My question earlier was it seemed that folks was stating that dogging or hog control should stop during these other hunting seasons and im not sure thats the answer to this.

C.Miller. I wasn't refering to you... just making a general statement from what I read on here and other forums. This topic comes up every year.

I do hog control year round also, but a lot of that ends on places surrounded by hunting leases. Other properties we make sure all the bases are covered.

I had a scare several years back... fortunately the man was an old time dog hunter and didn't shoot our dogs. It will make you think twice when something like that happens.

Tracking collars are like cut collars..... some use them, some dont. I dont care either way. I use them everytime i drop a bay dog.

 If you have never had to cross a fence to get your dogs then you havent been hunting long enough. I try to avoid situations where I have to but it has happened. I dont live in the land of 5k ranches, I do my best to keep the dogs on the property I am hunting and get rights to get dogs off the neighbors but ...... I am not saying that it is ok to jump fences. I will try to call off out my dogs before I do if I can.

I think the question here is was this person hunting responsibly?  And not really a matter of weather it was during deer season or not.  Although the responsibilty question has not really been answered in my opinion.  Irresponsible hunting is bad no matter what season it is.  But on the other hand I'd say that there are very few people that have put dogs on the ground and not had them stray onto other properties and get lost or have to be left overnight, so that does not necessarily make a person an irresponsible hunter.  Deer hunters dont own the woods during deer season just like hog hunters don't own the woods during grain season.  But hog hunters as a whole do yeild the woods during deer season dispite it being the best time to hunt, and dispite presure to keep hunting that comes from landowners and people who lease the land for agribusiness.  The answer to this problem if it even really is a problem is not arguing it is some kind of ballance.  And ofcourse it can be frustraiting to get angry phone calls about missplaced dogs, when its not really your dog, expescially since it seems to happen quite a bit in this instance.  But a respectfull explanation about how dog hunters have the same legal right to hunt hogs during deer season as deer hunters do and it is not illegal for dogs to cross property lines seems like it is in order when phone call like this are made.  And also problems like these can be avioded most of the time if there is comunication between neighboring land owners and leasees.  Just my 2 cents.

Waylon

Waylon said it better than me.

Even though we hunt high fence areas that are suppose to be animal proof and 20k ranches I have still had to go miles to retrieve a dog. I'm sorry but like anyone else here we love what we do and we do it year round. Isn't this why we open up these topics and read on a daily basis. When you are that passionate and have invested time and $ into something it becomes a part of who you are. Kinda like the song 5 o'clock somewhere. Well it's hog season somewhere and that's what I love about the sport. We all take risks and know the risks involved. Let's just be more careful and do what we can to help each other, back each other but when we get behind close doors let the hunter know what they did was wrong. Other activists don't need more ammunition to throw at dog hunters.

I know that because some of us have invested so much into the sport, that this is the reason some get flustered easily. Remember some of us are here for the same cause some are just not all at the same levels. They will catch up eventually we all do. WE WERE ALL THERE AT ONE TIME. Just a thought.

My problem with this situation is that a fellow hog dogger could automatically jump to a conclusion that this person is an unethical and irresponsible hunter. We all know that anything and everything can happen while hunting with dogs and not knowing the full story is not fare to the hunter in question. Tracking collar or not we don't know that the person is or was not still looking and doing everything he/she could do to get the dog back responsibly. As well, that dog could have been turned out in the next county over and he/she may have had retrieval permission from the land owners next to the property he/she was hunting. As for hog doggers I feel it is our duty to do damage control where damage has been done rather he/she was at fault or not. I feel that taking the time to help retrieve the dog or find its owner should be the first step. Finding out the whole situation and informing the land owner that not all hog doggers are irresponsible as well as educating them in what it is we do and how it helps is far better than bashing them first on a public forum. I also agree with big easy that if you don’t want to deal with it put your name on the product you sale not your phone number….

Waylon, Mike and Coach, Thank You and the others, I am not saying it never happens I spent several minutes talking to the man to gather location and diffuse him being upset, This post is not to make war, but hopefully a reminder that some people don't think about how it affects the Hog Dog Community as Whole when these things come about, or someone does get their dog shot, Or when other types of hunters talk about shooting dogs running across their hunting spots.

I do not put my number on these collars anymore that has not been done in over two years, I keep the number ONLY for the reason on several Occasions I have helped several hunters be reunited with their dogs, because my number is still out there. I still have that same goal to help another hunter and treat them as I want to be treated. I have personally picked up dogs and cared for them until their owners can be located? If you don't want to have me go that extra mile for you By all means please remove all OLD ugly dog ranch cut collar labels from your collars, By chance I get that call and your dog is somewhere and I can help you get it back even if I don't know who you are, I am going to try, BECAUSE I would want someone to do the same for me.

THIS dog came up to the man and his nephew on "their" land. The dog jerked away before any further information was gathered and ran off.

Because of this post I was contacted by one that have "Exclusive" written permission to hunt these properties.

Therefore it does tell me the dog was not where it was supposed to be.
I guess maybe I just Expect other hunters to have more respect for fellow hunters, be more cautious about the way they hunt and present themselves. Dropping dogs in an area where "you know" hogs are gonna run off the property you turned out, and not having all surrounding landowners permission, is not being cautious.

How many folks think that because you are removing hogs off of one persons land it gives you the "RIGHT" to go on the neighbors?

Mporter and big easy, it's because of that name and number that Krystal has reunited numerous hunters with their missing dogs. She's gone above and beyond for the hog hunting community more times than you can image over the years... y'all are missing the point of this whole thread.

Waylon hit the nail on the head.

i do realize where krystal is comin from and it is very geneourous of her to go out of her way but didnt the concept work the landowner called u he may be upset but instead of the dog gettin shot it is more than likely goin go to his owner..... i geuss i dont look at the point of other ppl i run gps tracking collars on all of my dogs but not everyone does so what i am tryin to say is that i dont leave my dogs out all night espicailly deer season bc i do understand ppl shoot dogs bc they dont understand what we r  tryin to do..... i am not a poacher or cross or cut fences the only time i will jump a fence is to get my dog off a pig but i dont go out of my way and also like i said during deer season im full blown huntin but i only run at night ppl dont deer hunt at night if they r then they r the ones who r poaching and somethin i was thinkin about in class they have closed season for other hunting but y doesnt tpwd have hog hunting with dogs closed during deerseason if it is a big issue??? kinda like now we cant gig during the month of november for flounder..... and like i said im not tryin to piss any one off i was just say my 2 cents and some one made a comment about huntin small acres of tracks every where i hunt is 600 plus so krystal thank u once again for trying to go out of ur way i geuss the post could also go on the gps tracking post about how has it made hog hunting less of hog hunting with dogs

I don't hunt much during deer season out of respect for the deer hunters.  I know if I paid a 1000 bucks for a deer lease and only got to hunt it a few times a year I would be plenty pissed off if somebody's hog dogs came running across my line of site and I had been sitting there for three hours waiting on a deer no telling what I might do  and before you said it , no maybe the dogs are not running deer but they are messing up a hunt period running threw the mans hunting area thats all that can be said they are messing up that hunt right there at that time for that man that has paid his hard earned money to be there.  I said I don't hunt much during deer season but every now and then I will get a call from a farmer are friend that says hey I got hogs here will you come and I will automatically know if I can are can't because I know the land surrounding his are her place and how big it is and  were deer hunters are in that area and if they are any were around I will just  have to kindly decline my friends offer and explained to them why and about 99% of the time they understand no problem .  You know there is a old saying that goes like this

Do unto others as you would have them do unto you !

You want respect you got to earn it, it is not  handed out like candy but there are others that just don't give a damn and that is the ones that end up ruining many a good thing for many a good respectful people.

First weekend in Nov till Jan 1......  2 whole months out of a year.  Is that to damn much to ask to keep the sport we love in good standing and in good health ?  

If you going to do it use good sense if you don't have any I wish the hell u would just get out of the sport that I love and respect !

If thats to blunt then so be it .


TexasHogDogs

Ya'll relax at the end of the day this about one person who made mistake maybe they won't do it again we don't even know the whole story!

After reading all these posts, I'm still trying to figure out what having or not having tracking collars has to do with dogs crossing onto other properties.

This issue is plain and simply about respect...not the "law" says I can do this, or the "law" says you CAN'T do that.

I'm extremely cautious about where I turn out this time of year.  If there are deer hunters on the next place over, I won't go.  Nothing used to irritate me more than enjoying a sunrise wade down at the coast in about knee-deep water...trying to ease in on a school of redfish and some idiot to come blasting by in his $50k boat and cut off my wade.  RESPECT!

It really doesn't matter what sport you enjoy or what your favorite past time is, there are always those self-centered individuals who care about nothing but themselves.  Unfortunately the actions of those people stand out in the minds of the on-lookers far more than those who try to do the right thing.

I'm kinda the one who started about tracking collars on this thread...but my point was this:

If you have a tracking collar on your dog....a person should be able to locate and retrieve your dog....therefore never becoming a lost dog. As opposed to not knowing where the dog is or leaving it out....to be found on a neighboring property.

I do agree with most...the rest of the situation has to do with respect, communication and common sense decision making.

First off thank you Krystal for all you have done!!!!
Second I believe the point of the first post was a statement and a question of a dog hunter being irresponsible for loosing a dog and why is he hunting during duck and deer season.... The post in question sounds to me like they were frustrated at someone with out fully understanding the situation. My opinion from the info that I was able to read is a man should be incessant until proven guilty not the other way around. He may or may not be a responsible hunter. I'm just wanting to saying I do everything I can to be a responsible hunter but some times sheet happens. As to why someone would hunt there dogs during an open season is entirely to there discretion and is there right to do so. Unfortunately there is those self-centered individuals who only care about themselves and do give us a bad name but that goes for every other sport or hobby as well. I am also a land owner and I lease land to hunt, so I have an opinion either way. But not only does the land owner and deer hunter deserve respect but so does a hog hunter.   

If the person who was running dogs would have contacted all the land owners in the area and let them know they were running dogs then the person who found the dog would not have had to call Krystal... they would have called the owner of the dog. No matter the situation... the person hunting with dogs was in the wrong.

I have zero tollerence for dogs on my personal property or property I am hunting. If I was not called and notified you are running dogs in the area there will be consequences if I find you dog.

lol this stupid

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well once again a topic on ETHD seems to be getting heated! Why dont every one just take a deep breath...AHHHH thats it. I dont have a dog in this hunt but just a couple of observations I see as a nuetral party would be:

1. The dog was obviously lost, who knows how far the dog traveled before he was found by the land owner he could have been lost for days a dog can travel a great distance once he finds a road, the handler of the dog could have very well been hunting where he had permission and did nothing wrong but the assumption has already been made he is a irresponsible hunter, just a bit premature I think. (lends creedance to a tracking system as has already been mentioned)

2. I think UglyDog equipment is a great product but perhaps if everytime a dog wearing that label gets lost, or becomes the center of attention or involved in a controversy, maybe more thought should be put into displaying the logo on the equipment. You cant possibly control where your equipment may end up.

3. I definately agree we all need to be responsible dog handlers. I would also add that we are a community here on ETHD and we will never win friends or influence people by calling people out when we dont know the circumstances.  Maybe slow to speak and quick to listen should be our montra ??? I dont know, its worth a try. I hope I havent said anything to offend anyone. If I have please accept my apology

 Every person is differnt and has there on mind .  Its a subject that has a differnt meaning in every mind, so that makes a million differnt opinion's are anwser's and everybody is right in their on mind until showed otherwise .  Its like I drink Miller you drink Coors .  Its a subject that will never come together as one until a law is made and if we don't watch out and somebody really screws with the wrong person are screws up bad nuff "Somebody might make up our mind's for us"   it might not be that far in the future with all the differnt opinion's I see here.

A season on hogs now would'nt that be a real pain in the A--!

Well said raider54....


x300...lol

Ha, I usually have to pay for entertainment this good...IMO...not my dog...not my hunt...not my land... not my business.  rolleyes

Well since this post got way out of hand . I am gonna take this as a chance to speak on the land owners side of things . Krystal(thanks also)posted that she talked to a person with written permission to hunt this place in question, that would be myself .There is also one other person that has permission to hunt it along with myself  and that is a co-worker of mine .We are paid employes of the Briscoes and Hall's Bayou Ranch we can hunt these properties when ever we want , no pass requried. There  are very few people who can get written passes on day to day basses one is AarronBMC . These passes comes straight from our company and the people who get them are only by refrence of us. There are many farmers who give alot of people permission to hunt alot of land that they have no control over . Which could be the case here . Just because a farmer says sure you can hunt.Land owners my have a different look on things. We have ran into this problem alot on the land our company owns, that is why we went to the passes. So what i am saying is the farmer doesn't own the land make sure you are covered , cause if you get caught it's all on you.Farmers ain't gonna admitt to giving out permission when they know they are not suppose to and take a chance on losing their lease. Not trying to get anyone fired up on the subjuect just trying to give another perspective on things. Most  FARMERS and  RANCHERS just lease.

This post is not stupid... no one's name was mentioned, no one got "called out"... but the word got out. ;)

As HBR can testify... that country has a bad reputation for outlaw hunters. >:D

Correct !!!!!!

This is something I can relate to, from both sides. It pisses me off when someone gets permission to hunt 100 acres or something around here, and what happens? They end up on stuff that I hunt. I mean come on, how can you turn dogs loose on something like that and not expect them to cross a fence.  But then again, on the big ranch I hunt, there is about 30k acres, and I refuse to hunt it during deer season because of the 100 acre places that border it that people deer hunt on....bottom line is use common sense. If you're not from the area you're hunting, or dont know a lot about it, you may not know that someone is sitting in a tree 300 yards from where you turn out, on the next place.

Yea but like HBR stated alot of this country is leased out and there are absentee landowners.... Sometimes finding the contacts for neighboring landowners is a diamond in the goat's arse hunt. We're across the road from Hall's bayou ranch and most folks that put in time and effort to run dogs are going to have collars/vest whatever on they're dogs. If we see one on our place with cut gear we try to catch the pooch and call the owner... This dog is helping to kill pigs (Good dog). What I can't understand is... YES we should police our ranks but WHY are we not educating the public about what's the benefit of this sport? I'm not talking about General public but Ag/Ranching/rural landowners public about what we're trying to help control.

And also just cause you slap a collar on your dog don't mean that your going to get them back unless your sitting on top the truck all night turning the knobs :-\ ;) 8)