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Can somebody tell me what the hell these guys are talking about when they say . . . Gator Pit?  I was at a fellow's place the other day looking at some dogs and he told me his catchdogs were straight "gator-pit".  He really couldn't tell me what that was.  I was curious and kept asking him to explain the term Gator-Pit and finally he just said  . . "Well all I know is that the guy I got my dogs from said they were pure Gator-Pit".  A few days later, I saw an ad in a local newspaper where the guy was selling pitbull puppies.  The ad stated, "Pitbull puppies for sale, registered Gator Pit."  now I've been around the block a couple times when it comes to bulldogs.  I had sporting gamebred dogs for 20 yrs.  The only thing I can recall having to do with the name "Gator" is a few particular dogs.  There were dogs like Crenshaw's Ch. Gator.  There was Plumber's Ch. Alligator.  There was Lloyd's Ch. Gator (Boomerang bred dog).  However, I seriously doubt that these guys even know who those dogs were.  So where does this term "Gator-Pit" come from.  Is this a new "type" of dog, or a particular bloodline bred down from a dog named "Gator" that is known to the hoghunting community?  Is this a bloodline or just some folks coming up with what they think is a cool sounding name for something that is just simply a garden variety bulldog and they just say . . "this here is a pure-bred Gator Pit".  Not trying to run down or degrade whatever a GatorPit is, I'm seriously just trying to find out what the hell this means.             

If I was selling pits a the name Gator Pit sounds tuff! I have chicken pits but it sure don't sound as tuff! ;) ;D

Not a bloodline like the "good dogs" you mentioned,mostly ignorant folks who round here call'em "gator mouth" pits....just getto terminology for ya  ;)

gator pits are a type of bloodline just like colby or rednose or budro or brindle  my house dog is a gator pit  best bite ive ever had n a dog   thats all it is tho man is the name of that dogs bloodline  try one  ill bet u like it

this is what i found via internet

Gator was a famous Champion Pit-bull. A Champion for fighting the dogs name was Alligator from Texas hence the nick name. Thousands of sires and dams named Gator

Gators" refers to the bloodline. The bloodlines have been completely watered down over the years, and it is not worth paying a great deal of money for one of them

Can you post a ped to look at??

I need me a gator mouth, blue nosed crossed with red nosed pit.  ;)

Check your local craigs list... ;) ;D

I had a black fella (crack head) at the gas station ask me if my AB/Dogo  130lbs was a Pit......I said no! and he told me "he look dis like dem NIGGA RENO dawgs we used to foo wit"    He is WHITE! but he look lite NIGGA RENO    O0

He needs to be game bred too don't forget for the drive, you know...

Thats extra stupid as "Cates Nigerino" was a red 36 # conditioned dog and 42#s chain weight.......

http://www.apbt.online-pedigrees.com/modules.php?name=Public&file=printPedigree&dog_id=409


On onother side note...Raider,do you have a pic of that dog on a scale showing 130#s ??

And why does every black person at a gas station have to be a "crack head"..???

yes colby is a bloodline and so is Boudreaux. rednose is just the color of the nose and brindle  is a color pattern of the coat. but as to the question gator mouth and the way backyard breeders are trying to sell their unreg. puppies. 

draggin weight  check more into it  gator is a bloodline  mine is papered gator  and rednose r a bloodline also  so r blue nosed pits  they were line bred to get the desired stature an color an build   if anyone has any questions about pitbulls ask sportsman on here  he is very knowledgeable about pitbulls and bloodlines  i always ask him b4 i get a pit  except for this last one but it was free so i took him quickly  and hes a blue nosed pit

Let me try to address your comments:
1st You are right that is stupid, I have never seen a Pitt anywhere that big and he dont even look like a Pit
2nd No I didnt even think to take a pic of the scale while the Vet was weighing him but I will try to get one if you really need it, You know just to keep me honest!
3rd  I actually saw a Church lady at the gas station that was black, so there goes the stero type

I said I was not even going to waste my time with this sort of thing anymore ,
I don't know how many times some kid has tried to tell me about his "GATOR MOUTH " Pit or their "SOLID REDNOSE " Pit. It's amazing how many people will repeat something as fact that they have absolutely no first hand knowledge of or any personal experience with whatsoever..
RedRiver and underdog are right about Plumber's Ch. Alligator and Crenshaw's Gator but neither had anything to do with these people today running around talking about their "Gator Mouth" pits they bought from some guy selling them in a wal- mart parking lot.. Like yall already know it's just some "TOUGH " sounding name some kid  started saying and now there are GATOR MOUTH pits everywhere . lol
Now what I like is them "Solid Rednose Gator Mouth"  Pits that weigh about 125lbs. Just don't get no better than that ..   :)

Oh and I always liked the way Nigerino was built..
 If he would have just had alittle bit of that "gator mouth" in him  he may have been something.   :D

Is it kind of like a reverse BMC? ???

Lmmfao!  Best thing to do is walk off, No wait , Run Like Hell and don't look back!  LOL !

No Reuben, that would be a reverse GMC.  Gator Mouth Cur  ;)

Thanks Matt...you get it.. ;)


He was built right wasn't he....

Thats how I roll  8)

I guess i need 2 get me a red blue nose gator mouth catch dog now and toss in a lil dogo for size

maybe once upon a time a kid called his line gatormouf, Im here to tell you this line did not succeed in conformation shows, weightpull or the pit box. Now i dont fight my dogs, but I do know that a so called gatormouth dog can not excel like the american pit bull terrier in its true pure form. typically these are dogs bred to be bigger, and to look a certain way or be a color, now when folks have done this they veered away from the truth, they added different breeds thinkin it would help. they went bigger and got slower, they wanted strength but lost gameness. they wanted cool lookin colors and lost loyalty, now days yo got manbiters who give us all bad names. now Ill say this once agree or not this is not only my original opinion, conformation standard will help u get better results, now Im not sayin it will guarantee but for instance , short stifle(back leg looks strait)not like a kangaroo(springlike) lacks driving power, this comes from american buldogs crossed in, look at wide chests, this means lack of lung wind, yo need a deep chest not wide, look at a short stocky neck, this will give your dog a lack of ability to use leverage in action, when they are standing strait, their chin should be higher then the back line, a fat big head will give yur dog a weaker bite(gator mouths) because they cant use but their front teeth to bite,which is the wrong area weak.folks wanting to go bigger have ruined this breed and are really ignorant in the sense that they havent thought of all of the things that make a pitbull the pitbull. temperment ability wind ability drive intelligence, have been tainted by wanting to make one big, Id say fawk big they are slow wont last and will get their teeth pullrd out because they are too big to be able to hold their own weight

OK It's settled.  I'm gonna get me a pure old-family, rednose, blue-brindle, gator mouth, lock-jaw, blooodline pit.  But only if its ears are trimmed, cause you know that makes em' catch better.   

Thanks for the responses.  You guys clarified it to be exactly what I thought it was.  Just some knucklehead who come up with the term "gator-mouth pit", and it became urban legend from there.  As for you dudes who have "gator-pits", and think you have some kind of bloodline . . . YOU DONT.  And guess what, REDNOSE aint a bloodline either.  Sorry to crush your dreams, but if you have a rednose pit, you simply just have a pit with a red colored nose.  It's that simple.  Don't think that the color of a dog's nose makes it special, cause it don't.  I never cared what color a dog's nose was, as long as it was pointed in the right direction.       

       

I was told one time that a red nose had a harder bite! I'm pretty sure that guy was telling me the truth! ;) ;D

the papers i had on my dog never said gator mouth  just gator  i wish i still had the papers to prove it but she is from fighting dog background  i dont care wut any1 says i had papers on her an her line traced back aways  and her jaw is no joke  shes breakstick everytime on her rope sportsman u know keke  im no pit expert but i know wut i have an i am no storyteller  as for the rest of the bloodlines an wut not i have only read books an talked to breeders  but my dog come from a lineage  and i also have a solid white rednose pit but i just bought him off the street so i dont know anything other than hes all white an his nose can guide santas sleigh!

Anyone know about carver pits I have a ole fellow that has pure carver he has been raising for 20 plus years but I can't afford a pup from him but he told me I could breed to a male.yall think they will be dog agressive being gAme bred

I be damed Underdog, You were right on the money.  ;D
http://waco.craigslist.org/pet/2055570167.html
We have a almost 3 year old male blacknose(half red nose, half blue nose) male pitbull we are trying to rehome for our neighbor. Daddy was a all white rednose and Mommy was a blue brindle. Good with kids, very protective, would be better as a only dog. Needs room to run and someone to spend time with. UTD on all shots, not neutered. Pics are attached, e-mail with any questions, asking 100 OBO, registered through CKC

depends on wut stain of carver he has if its that ole banjo stuff it will be major agro.

Carver, Colby or whatever, the dogs are so diluted because so many generations have gone by that it is only a figure of speech as to what the dog is but it really does not mean anything. The only way it means anything is if the dog is linebred and inbred with this strain and the dogs were selected to perform exactly as the carver/colby dog or whatever strain.

His is pure line bred from the old stuff he said other people crossed out he stayed with it now people are coming back to him he's selling pups for 600 to 1000 I like the looks good long legged athletic built dogs

 Heck fellas a bulldog is a bulldog, papers, looks, conformation blah blah blah dont mean anything. The only thing that matters is if it will catch and stay hooked.

heck yeah you said it, but the more involved you get and the better your dogs get you wanna be able to maintain those good traits by steadily throwin good offspring consistantly. How you do that is by tight breeding line breeding in breeding etc, larger genepools mean larger variations in litters, only some will be good and others will not be so great, so when you work hard and get good ones you want to preserve good ones, and keep from havin to cull the lesser ones, and for a catchdog you dont nessearily need an all out destroyer, they only catch for a little amount of time compared to a fast lane dog that can dominate in a situatuion where a great caliber dog is trying to rip his throat out, now as for me, I want a dog that can do more than just catch an ear, and as fast as these guys are in and out of this sport it helps to at least know what will give your dogs an advantage

Big Ben I agree with your thinking if you are looking for 1 good dog and you are buying a dog that is proven to catch. However if you were looking to breed better dogs or buy a small unproven pup then I would have to agree with Sportsman. I would buy a pup from a well bred line of dogs. I am not a bulldog man so I wouldn't pay the money for a well bred pit but I would for the well bred proven strike dog/pup...

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Not to hijack the thread being discussed but a catch dog is just as important as a strike dog.  They both go hand-n-hand.  I am not saying to spend alot of money on either but both are vital to having success. 

Not to hijack the thread being discussed but a catch dog is just as important as a strike dog.  They both go hand-n-hand.  I am not saying to spend alot of money on either but both are vital to having success.  
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 I agree that a CD is important but not near as important as a good strike dog, Folks can get it done without a CD but not without a strike dog but what Im getting at is you can find 50 good CD's in the time its take to breed, raise and try to use a bulldog in hog hunting. Its gonna be alot cheaper also. I for one dont have the time or patience to do this. Gator, red nose, blue, black, pink poke a dotted doesnt matter to me. I like the ole breeders that keep this world full of great potential CD's, the Ghettos and projects breeders and they are useally free.

I disagree...but I guess it depends on your standards...

This is what most folks think of now when someone mentions APBT....this is were some of them gator mouth dogs come from ha ha ....prolly want to mute the music tho....not one of these dogs looks like it could function as a working dog....

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nlCH4FI0HaU&list=PL124CB9E3EA7F77E8&index=14&playnext=2

I agree that a CD is important but not near as important as a good strike dog, Folks can get it done without a CD but not without a strike dog but what Im getting at is you can find 50 good CD's in the time its take to breed, raise and try to use a bulldog in hog hunting. Its gonna be alot cheaper also. I for one dont have the time or patience to do this. Gator, red nose, blue, black, pink poke a dotted doesnt matter to me. I like the ole breeders that keep this world full of great potential CD's, the Ghettos and projects breeders and they are useally free.
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Ben, Im going to have to agree with Randy on this one.
I know people can and do get it done without CDs, but if your style involves using CDs i also see them as being just as important as a strike dog. 

Id rather put alittle money into a well breed, good tempermental dog that i can have around my other dogs and family and not worry about them fighting or trying to bite someone.

I dont know if Randy still raises pits, but i would much rather buy a dog from him, than to go to the ghetto and get one of Big Mo's fight breed "Gata Moufs"  ;D  :D   JMO!!

Pits are just like Strike dogs, many of them get the job done, but few have ALL the traits a hog dogger wants.

I am not a pitbull breeder, but it does not take a pit bull breeder or any specific breed to know that knowledge and research and knowing what you are talking about in any breed makes a difference in the final results of breeding.
U don't have to go to craiglist to see that its in any and every dog classified section.

 This dogs works purty good and this one is okay but that purty good dog, will make that okay dogs pups even better cause they are gonna come out 50/50 of both parents. WRONG WRONG WRONG,

So the dog gets the job done, good for you, for how long? how long does the dog last? People breeding for better dogs are looking at the whole picture, the long lineage, and dog breeding is not like melting pot. If you breed okay to okay, you might get a throwback to a really good dog in the dogs past lineage. You are taking a gamble you are most likely to end up with majority of mediocre dogs, and that is awaste of time when there are plenty of good dogs avilable if you do a little homework and research what you are doing.

 What I was getting at is, just like some of the comments already stated. The blood lines of good pits are so diluted it would take years of breeding and culling to get back to a certain strain of great dogs. Then you would be lucky to get what exactly what you want. Time is $ and when you got to where you want to be the puppies you would be wanting to sell would cost to much for an average hog dogger to pay because it took that one person years of his time.

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This is what most folks think of now when someone mentions APBT....this is were some of them gator mouth dogs come from ha ha ....prolly want to mute the music tho....not one of these dogs looks like it could function as a working dog....

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nlCH4FI0HaU&list=PL124CB9E3EA7F77E8&index=14&playnext=2
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THIS THREAD HAS GOT WAY OFF TOPIC. SINCE WE ARE OFF TOPIC I GUESS ILL COMMENT. THOSE DOGS ARE SO OUTTA SHAPE. THEY CANT EVEN FUNTION. I  THINK SOME ARE LOOKING TO FAR INTO IT. PEOPLE CATCH HOGS EVERY DAY USING UR EVERYDAY PITS.  THEY USAULLY HAVE A SHORT LIFE SPAN SO RAISING THEM WOULD BE MORE EXCPENSIVE. U CAN GET A DOG THAT WILL CATCH AND SERVE ITS PURPOSE ALMOST ANYWHERE. SO GET WHAT U NEED AND USE IT TILL U NEED ANOTHER ONE. IM RAISING MY OWN CATCH DOGS AND ITS TO EASY TO GET ATTATCHED AND IT COST ALOT MORE THIS WAY. I HAVE COME TO LEARN ITS SMARTER TO JUST BUY A BULLDOG AND USE HIM. SOMETIMES THEY WILL LAST FOR YEARS  AND SOMETIMES NOT. THATS JUST HOW IT GOES. JUST MY OPINION.

understood that but cant agree with it, only because he said he raises catchdogs, labeled himself as a breeder of this controversial breed, i think good strike dogs that are taught well do better than one just bred well, pitbulls bred well are guaranteed to perform well as well, so for them its more about power and ability than only being taught, we can all agree that its harder to train a strike dog, just look at the dog trader, more and more need finished strike dogs and less need catchdogs,, i am not a breeder of either, but I know I wouldnt call myself one then say I only get any ole dog off the street and just use it

Aint that the truth!

I like what many of you have said, It brings to my mind the example of a construction site, one guy will roll up with a Dewalt cordless set and take good care of it and get years of use out of it but will have paid a hefty price. The other fellow will figure if he's gonna use his tools everyday and wear them out anyways, he may as well get whatever is cheapest and just replace them every few months. No matter how much crap each of them talk, neither one will ever change the others mind.


Maybe it's sounds simple but it's how I see the entire catchdog debate.

lol good analogy, simple is right tho, now I have heard from more than one person that you can tell a craftsman by his tools, that doesnt really apply to brands no, but imagine if you were the one paying for this construction or gm'n or super'n it, 2 fellas both claiming to be subs roll up wanting the same contract, by the look of it the guy with the newer higher quality gear may give you more of a reason to trust his standards, my view/analogy is take a good meal for instance, one may say its not how you cook it,its how it tastes, id say its all in the ingredients, not the stove, now when folks try and give you the recipe, Id say take it and do want you wish, but dont knock it til you try it

the dogs on youtube are just a fat headed spin off of the original APBT, those dogs are known as american bullies they are water down deluted versions of a real american pitbull terrier. their main bloodlines are RAZORS EDGE/ GOTTI/ GREYLINE/ CALI KING PIN and the list goes on they were not bred for drive determination to excel at the task they were bred for. they have a calmer more mellow attitude. i have APBT and american bullies on my yard, and i would not recommend putten the bullies in the woods no lungs what so ever. more then willing to share pics of both breeds side by side

The bullies  are a composite breed also. juan gotti was a 1/2 pit x english bulldog  cross

to each his own, i havent paid for a catchdog yet and have had two good ones   both were given to me becuz to their ex owners said they were worthless but ive caught alot of hogs behind both of em  i dont know their bloodlines or backgrounds or nothin an i can box em with any dog anytime an wont get a growl out of them  but put a hog in front of them and its game on  my first was a black one named sox  rip boy  an my second is a BLUE ONE NAMED BLUE  both get the job done an r perfect for me  no ppl aggression no dog aggression  strictly hogs only  now i do take time to break them from livestock but thats never been hard so far  to me catchdogs r a dime a dozen  some r better than others but that goes for strike dogs too  some wrk harder than others  as for gator pits i have a papered gator in my hs  thats wut the paperwork said so i have to agree an believe it  if u dont u dont  oh well  ill put any pit i got on a hog    as for catchdog  if it answers a bay an holds that hog til i get there then i have a good catchdog  if not ill go find another one that will   to each his own but im happy with my catchdog

 ;D ;D ;D

i wouldnt say you had bullies, and I thought that blue dog was named Red? hes a good one

haha sportsman  i had a half bully remember  from wut dusty said he caught hard when he did catch  an we can that blue dog red blue green hell purple  he catches hard an catches ear so hes a keeper   call him cupcake lol   ill b back hunting by next weekend hopefully  novios doin real good  hes up playin with bones now  stitches come out in a cuple of days

i like your answer coyote hunter what ever works for you its your dog

BIGGEST PIT I'VE EVER SAW WAS BOBBY HALLS DOG ( ROBERT ) THINK HE WAS BOUDREAUX BRED OUT OF ELI OR BULLYSON WEIGHTED 75 OR 80 POUNDS MEANEST PIT I EVER SAW WHEN HE WAS IN THE HOUSE BOBBY NEVER LOCKED IT AND ANYONE THAT KNOWS BOBBY KNOWS HE HAD A LITTLE JEWERLY !!!
 

if u got the money u can still get the old pits look up tom garner kennels his dogs are line bred and in bred i am training a pup off his stuff and his bite is super hard was told he was gonna be dog agressive but i took care of that cant wait till hes 2 so he can start catchin the big boys

Just curious as to why you're waiting until he's 2...

If somene really wanted to learn the history of the APBT they would take a look at the site below and learn from the dogmen who started it all. History of the pit with photos.
http://rayfox6.tripod.com/id12.html

If your interested in a fastlane, working bloodline of the APBT then check out Evolution Kennels out of Houston I think! He has some real nice game bred APBT that are mostly line bred off of GRCH Machobuck. I sure like the build of these dogs!


Gr.Ch. Evolution Kennels Machobuck ROM
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That Machobuck is an athlete...about how much do these dogs weigh when mature?

That is what a APBT is suppose to look like! JMO

thats a good looking apbt! personaly i am a little bias when it comes to the apbt. if there were any real colby dogs left that werent all watered down i would have a few in my kennel. but that right there is hard to find. i was schooled on the apbt when i was young by my grandfather. he raised and faught them in the 30's and 40's. my personal belief is that all those damn retarded blue mutts should be dropped in a 5 gallon bucket full of water at birth. these dogs should not be bred for looks. temperment and gameness is what i was taught and is what i stick with. this gator mouth crap is just that.....crap.

 right now i dont have a kennel full of them. i only have one . he is  hollingsworth top and bottom. i also owned his father and son. my family had a good line of colby , old family red and some hollingsworth dogs for a long time . one of my cousins life long dream was to meet mr. stratton and he actually achieved that a some years back. sorry guys im starting to rant now.............later

Machobuck was believed by many to be one of the best 49-50 lb. dogs to look thru a collar. He has some Hollingsworth blood on bottom thru Gr.Ch. Mayday! He is a true Redboy-Jocko x Bolio-Tombstone cross!

cause iv always been told that there teeth ain't set fully till there bout 2

wow! i like the looks of that bad boy!

Never heard that one...I haven't had any problem starting them in the woods at a year old.

I HAD AN OLD DOGMAN TELL ME THAT

red nose is a not a blood line nor is blue nose and and gator is slang for blue pit witch is not a pure pit anyway   lets see those pappers

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It cracks me up when people are like of look that's a rednose pit them are the baddest pits or look it's a blue nose pit , they are just diffrebt colors all pits , there are rednoses  that are culls an there are blue noses that are culls  the color anit got nothing to do with how good the dog is , What do they call the dark brindle pits  black noses ?

They call the brindle pits "Tigerstripe"!!!! Lol

;D i for got they do hahahaha ,

Might as well get you a Whopper or Dagger "pitbull"  if you want the size!!

Sorry i don't know anyone on here but thought i would add my 2cents anyway.

thats just it , they arent just different colored ''pitts''. never heard of a brindle dog being called a black nose. the blue is a reccesive gene that shouldnt even be around but people seem to like the color so they intentionaly bred them for color, not gameness or temperment just color.

thats what im saying................i havent seen a blue that was a true game dog..ever. going head up with a hog does not make it ''game''. still wanting more after they have gotten thier ass handed to em shows thier gameness.

Well im puttin in my two cents, havnt read alot of the posts, just skimmed over it. The topic came up to a vet i took my pit to and he described her as a "gator mouth" i asked him what he ment and it was this. its just a nickname for them for the long mouth and high game drive.

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Well SCHitemHard, if I were you and my vet told me some bs like that I would get the hell out of there as soon as possible. He has absolutely no clue what he is talking about! A long nosed pitbull dog is considered terrier headed ( this is.due to the fact that they took after the terrier side of the pitbull terrier instead of the bulldog) and about the high prey drive, any pitbull dog worth owning should have high prey drive. I have only had pitbull dogs for about thirteen years and don't know everything about them but I can say that I have had some of the best bred dogs money can buy. Right now I own some real heavy jeep/redboy dogs. I also have some heavy Travis bred dogs and some eli dogs as well. I have heard it said that the best pair of siblings to ever look through collars were gr ch banjo and bb red. I just happen to have some nice bred carved dogs which include the banjo, bb red, thibidoux, and boomerang bred dogs. I can tell you more about my dogs but this just isnt the place for it. IMHO those damn blue dogs are just crossed up CURS that should have never been bred and are flat out worthless!!!!!!!! Any questions about anything I have just said, pm me and we can discuss it.

point taken i dont mind being corrected

i also have a jeep/BB cost me a leg and arm, and a BB/gotti that was a show dog. i think the term gator just came from people just describing i dont think its a acutal name. like i said it think its just a nickname

It is just a nickname but the only time I really hear it used is when someone has junk and are trying to make themselves and others believe that it is good. I have even had people tell me they get that name from having two rows of teeth. They just don't know that it is a problem if the adult tooth comes in and the puppy tooth stays there as well.

whoo tmatt ur gonna be real popular fella pretty quick, i have one of them junk cur blue pits and i dnt mind taken him to the woods anytime! if u wanna go for hunt were rollen out this weekend in the canton area i think i have a 1% blue pit u may like to c

 ;D  lol

          I dont know much about gator mouf or blue pits catchin, all i know is i wouldnt give .02 for all them gotti, razors edge and all the others sellin them for stupid amounts of money. Now....just for the record... This is just MY opinion, I dont like them and wouldnt have one as a gift. Not cause they are blue but cause they too short legged, too big headed, too broad chested. To "me" They wouldnt be worth .02 in the woods.  Im talkin about these short legged bandog lookin pits, that have been bred for the blue color.

    It blows my mind, at the prices i see on these dogs, because of color and a name. To me thats like goin and buyin a pair of jeans already wore out, and holes all in them, and payin 5 times more than what a new pair would cost.  But thats just me, If thats what you like and you got the money and you feedin it, thats all that matters.

I like the jeep lookin pits, game bred dogs, no matter the color, but thats just me, what do i know?

 

 :) ;D I agree

i have a buddy that breeds gotti pits and they range for 1300 a piece, thats why i turned to bulldogs

fellas i know most blue pits that u c and hear of are gotti, edge, greyline, and are foremost are the american bully bred dogs, but like some one else posted the blue gene has been around just was never the trend and was culled for poor skin conditions and allergies. but i bred my blue dog out of avant/hammonds male and benedict/bismark gyp. the male was a fawn color dog and the gyp was a black seal and he was the only blue pup the rest of the litter was black brindle, red purple and green ;D all im sayen is u can get the blue gene from other lines of dogs that were not bully bred

lol i just found this thread and it made me feel old. i saw indian bolio many many years ago and owned a bolio daughter and a red baby grand daughter.  i see someone talked about the mayday dog, a friend of mine owns all the mayday semen . personally i think you can find great catchdogs in the apbt without going the finely bred gamedog route. and style wise i dont want a fighting dog as a catchdog, i want a dog that catches and holds, not one that is willing to swap out holds or shake his holds out.  also dont want a catchdog goin to the legs or the rear end.just my 2 pennies.

Not gonna be a post whore here but here is my blue nose and my red nose. now both loved to be outside in the woods for hours. the blue nose "dro" never liked a hog, he was more of a rescue dog so i kept him at my moms for security reasons.

this being said i think it comes down to the acutal individual dog on how and if they hunt, but i would lean to red nose.

tmatt this is the "gator" pit the vet talked about just a fyi, maybe you can show me alittle more insite

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I had a blue and white dog named Hobo that was straight from Jay Benedict and he was a good blue one. The blue dogs that are common are junk. Like I said before there are some that are good but they are not very common. The athleticism has been bred out of most of the blue dogs. They are not able to move around like they should be able to and they are for damn sure not game. If they get cut.too bad, they will let go.and then your there with out a catch dog. Speaking of Bolio, I have a line bred Bolio dog here at the house that is 100% BULLDOG and is not interested in swapping out holds or going into the add end. If they are going to be catch dogs then I start them early on pigs just to keep them from trying to be dog aggressive and wanting to get on other dogs. I have some Jeep dogs, some Redboy dogs, some Eli  (Boudreaux) dogs, as well as the others that were mentioned. I have always had the well bred game dogs. I want a dog that is going to be there no matter what happens and if something bad does happen, every hair on the dog will have to be dead for him to stop.  Hey Big Chris when are ya'll heading out, I'd love to go out with ya'll. I'd like to see a good blue dog work.

Schitemhard, which one is the "gator" dog. Neither one of them look like a Plumber's Ch Alligator dog or even a Crenshaw's Gator bred dog. The only way to say you truly have an alligator dog is to have the papers and pedigree on the dog so that you know how it is bred. I had an alligator/eli bred bitch at one time and would be happy to show you the pedigree on her.

Schitemhard, that is fine looken gyp u have there! and i can c why the vet my tell u she is gator bacause of the shape of her muzzle. but like the post go "the gator dogs were a select dogs not whole breed of it`s own! it really kills me when u hear ppl talken like a red nose pit or a blue nose, or colby, jeep, carver boiles and the list goes on is a breed of dog all on it`s own. all these blood lines are simply a american pitbull terrier or the APBT. if u are after a good APBT as far as a true pit there goen to be ADBA bred not A.B.K.C which is the american bully kennel club. tmatt i will let u know when we go

Hey Big Chris, how big is that blue dog of yours? I think people saying that different lines and colors of pitbull dogs are their own breed is what irritates me when it comes to talking pitbull dogs. People just don't understand what they really are or are not. Everyone wants to call their dogs everything except what they really are. I also think they are both good looking dogs but you just can't tell how one is bred just by the looks. The exception to that is when you have one that is lingered on a particular bloodline and the it is pretty obvious what they are. I don't want anyone thinking I am knocking their dogs because to each his own but I am willing to put my dogs against any dog/dogs that are in the woods. I have put a lot of time and effort into breeding and maintaining the bloodline of my dogs and that is something that a lot of people dont bother with, they just buy a dog and use him and if he gets cut up too bad then they just get another one. I realize not everyone has the desire to maintain bloodlines like I do but that is something that I take a lot of pride in.

The pits that are athletic are what it seems most hoghunters want, and function is more important than looks. On the other hand, you have gotti, razoredge, pits crossed with neopolitan mastiffs , that have no wind, cant do crap, except look 'BAD'. Usually, these dogs ,, and the people who own them are the dogs biting people, giving pits a bad name and getting all this legislation passed that hurts responsable pit owners and hunters. Hog hunters use pits to catch, if they show aggression they are culled. The folks that own the lil concrete block pits only care about the dog lookin bad, being bad and not happy with screwing up pitbulls, they're doing the same thing with american bulldogs. They"ll be next on the chopping blocks

my shamus dogs chain weight is 57lbs when he is being worked in the woods he looses a lil weight but i think he looks better he is 19 inchs at the shoulders. my mom owns his brother, my dad owns a half brother my cousins all own littermates to this dog and im sure they would all catch and do the job if thats what was wanted out of them. but for the most they have family pet life.

Where can I get me a pit like this one about 10 months to a 1.5 years old that is proven in a pen. I would like 60 to 70 pound dog. I like long legs and built for speed and agility. Must be dog friendly and people friendly and not hyper. Does not have to have registration papers and does not have to have special bloodlines if the dog is proven... (979-233-6403 or email is rlcuellr@swbell.net Must be close to Houston area.

Ruben....I grew up with the boys who owned Macho Buck and last time I saw them they were getting $3000. - up to 10 k for Macho Buck pups.....may be a little expesive for a catch dog huh?   :D

tmatt i didnt say i owned one. the vet simply made a comment about a "gator" mouth, i just blew it off. i dont care about breed or pedigree. a dog is a dog and if they catch is all that matters to me. ive had a blue pit that could catch but he would over heat to fast so id have to get close.

like i said i stick to bulldogs but love pits

Man I was thinking 200 dollars for a lightly started pit and if he looks real good maybe 300... :o :D