EAST TEXAS HOG DOGGERS FORUM

I'm seriously considering pit crossed with grey hound or something like that whippet or anything that is real fast. i just cant get the cd thing down.lead ins are just to much work for me. heres what i keep seeing happen,I get to bay hog breaks before cd is deployed. the other more frequent one is i cut cd loose and hog see it coming and breaks and the next bay is two miles off with similar results until dogs loose them or give up eventually. with my original pack this almost never happened.I partly understand why now. although they wernt the best ever. i had a more decent team than I knew. I walked into bays and hog never noticed me or my rough curs until it was to late. most of the hog not noticing the approach of me and my "help" dogs was the fact a dog was baying 2 feet from its nose and would lay teeth if it turned away. it's attention was focused on bay dog. my rough female would walk in and i have videos of her catching that i recently noticed she would walk close and would not catch until hog turned head away for a second. she had been on hundreds of bays before i owned her and I now recognize how skilled she was. I wish i could get her back for sure. but shes gone. i have a good strike dog but he bays loose and will not lay teeth on a hog with out back up. hogs will sometimes still be layed down when i get there he will bay a group from 30 yrds away garmin usually doesnt show treed because he bays each hog a couple barks and loops around them. boars walk with him alot.I have had great sucess with this dog finding pigs he will roll out after i stick one if more are around.i see hogs most every time i go with him but he is not gritty but will catch hard if another dog does, I like a bulldog once hog is caught but right now I want a dog that can flat run one down too. I know you can get this or that kind of strike dog but I live in mo so hog doggers are uncommon and I have a family to support so i have to hunt the dog I got or raise pups instead of paying big bucks for a finished dog. I know a couple coyote runners with grey hounds and such and I have a bulldog ready to stand right now but anyway, feel free to give GOOD advice on what i need if you are well experienced hunters.

I have a ridgeback pit cross that I am very fond of. Fast, good bottom, and well catch as soon as given an opportunity. He may be the exception to the rule I don't know but he gets it done for me.


Shotgun
Arkansas

   a couple of good ol rough Catahoula's is what I used for  around eight years , then I bought my first bulldog .

Straight Florida Curs ! The work is already done for you, and the breed consistently produces RCD!

I like the fl curs I got them and fl cur x cats that do pretty good but my roughest are Ladner and Ladner x Ben Jordan

Get 2 well bred plotts & you have the nose, trail, stick & catch. Just make sure they are bred gritty. 2 plotts bred right should be worth 4 or 5 of the spotted & yalla dogs. >:D lol
  No matter what breed you use, if they are RCD's be prepared to lose some.

Cajun you right about that I need to gritty plotts as long as they are fast on track

depends on what you call a rcd- running catch dog or ruff cur dog.to me a catch dog don't back up and bay at all, never.thats the first sign he gona quit. :'(

I would go with the pit cross on bird dog

Big nasty what kind of bird dog you use

Wolfhound/mastiff is my favorite. Easy to breed and get good dogs on the first cross. I stay away from Stag and Greyhound crosses because you get gritty bay dogs out of most of the litter. You want lose more dogs by going to finder/holders unless they are really gritty bay dogs and not true finder/holders with zero back or hesitation on big boars. Any dog that puts it's mouth on a hog has the same chances of getting hurt since most injuries come from the first split second or two that a dog makes contact with a big boar. I know plenty of strait bay dog hunters that loose a lot of dogs. It's no walk in the park out there and the risk to our dogs is high no matter what kind of dog it is.

If a finder/holder gets injured a lot it is usually because they hesitant before trying to catch the ear. That split second will give the boar a chance to sucker punch the dog on his way to the ear. If the dog hits on the run without hesitation they rarely get hurt. I can only speak for my dogs in heavy south texas brush and thick crops but this is what I see year softer year big boar after big boar. Good luck with you search I love my finder/holders and would never hunt anything else in this thick brush down south. 

I pretty much run just running catch dogs and every breed has a rcd. just has to find that one i have a pair of Brittany Spaniel a  catahoula pit cross a walker bluetick cross and many more and they do awesome

http://youtu.be/BWpiq8bmKq4 heres a video of the scenario with my first dogs watch how female catches hog and how jagd bays and keeps pigs attention. bays where usually similar to this.  i hope its ok to post. i posted them to you tube I soon realized the error of posting anything like this online but its there and not Gorey.I also appreciate everyone's advice so far!

Pit x Jagd?

gsp and English

I have some Dane crosses. They are fast, smart, and will hold big hogs by themselves. Little dogs get beat up to much.

Big over sized dogs don't work good where I hunt but I kinda agree

Big nasty those two breeds are high power on there own lol

I run mine in swamps, clearcuts, fields, etc. Only thing that slows them down are the vest hanging up on bushes and briars.

are you crossing the danes with pit or what?

I have a 1/2 Dane 1/2 pit. Bred him to 3 different females of various crosses. Oldest dogs are finding and catching. I have 2 out of that litter that are around 70lbs.

3 good cur dogs or one as hairy holder said. I run ruff to full catch cur dogs and would not change. Protect them the best you can but allow movement.

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I like cur/pit crosses.  I've hunted with some fine bird/bull crosses too.  No bark all bite

I've never done a cross....if I had a choice-I'd like to get some good CatxAmerican Bulldogs

leggy pit and plott

leggy pit and large mt cur

just keep the leggy pups and run all the dogs with a vest...

these dogs will hunt and range and most won't bark and that can be a problem...but with a gps tracker it should be very helpful...

running 4 or 5 catchy strike dogs that have about a 1/4 pit make pretty good dogs as well...that is my favorite style of hog dogging...

Speed kills.  I like my AB/Stag crosses.  They've got speed, agility and plenty of fight.

Hairy is right. Sometimes the half is not enough for a true catch on a big boar, but I guarantee you run them as a pair and you won't have that problem.

I bred them down to 1/4 stag now. They're only 5 months old, but I'm pretty sure they're gonna work.

Good luck.

Gonna try some BMC x dogo before long they should do the trick.

Jag tank,
The cross you suggested is pretty popular in Hawaii, terrain varies, but most of the times I've experienced your dogs will stop the pig in some rough brushy areas. I don't recall seeing a lot of really large/ leggy dogs.

Common crosses over there I've seen: whippet/bull/Airedale/ridgeback/heeler/catahoula/BMC/greyhound. In any configuration, just never know.

running walker x pit

july x pit

and then choose pups wisely...

to me it makes sense to breed a hunting dog that uses its nose in the mix...creating a running catchy dog that has plenty of hunt and stopping power...

I decide to wait and try and buy a cd from somewhere I've been raising pups for a couple years now and I got three puppys  and three year old pups now. I lost my main dog two years ago. so i decided to rebuild my packi keep getting pups and trying new dogs but I decided last week that i am messing up my better ones by trading out so much. so i'm going to find a started cd from someone with a good one or just find a couple really ruff me too dogs. I had a couple in my old pack but didnt want dogs under foot with pups. I thought they might get the wrong idea or something.I hate buying a grown dog because they always suck or at least have some baggage. I dont sell junk dogs and like dogs so i always dread having to deal with a bad one. I would like to try some of those crosses but I'm going to get these pups working more like a pack first. I just have to many young dogs. I had to give away a couple real decent ones because I just couldnt keep them all hunting. One of them will flat burn a track. (I seen a time or two i would have paid serious cash for a pup like this) but none of mine are real gritty. so i guess I need to add some grit or a reliable catch dog. that catches every time and dont fight every dog it sees. I'll just have to wait to breed until I get these pups lined out better.If any of you breed something in the future like these crosses mentioned don't forget me.

Where you located ?

mo.

Jag just wanted to say on the part where u said somethn abt a catchdog tryn to jump on every dog it sees.   I wouldnt have one like that. Guess ive been lucky with them all the ones ive kept would not fight another dog unless they were jumped on first. With that being said i have had plenty of currs full of piss and vinegar that liked to jump on the bulldogs. They got shock therapy and prob cured 95% of the time. The other 5% occured when one got loose at house when i wasnt home and well they were also cured

In my experience a pit cross can turn out many ways that why I stay away from them a good breed pit by a good handler shouldn't have many problem if you understand what to do and not do

 my problems with the bull dogs/pits I've had are, not wanting to catch at all, re gripping,  inconsistent catch,(which is very very irritating) charging in on hog then stopping short before catching which spooks the hog and gives it a chance to get its sprint on.the ones that i've picked up that would catch were either dog aggressive due to poor raising or people aggressive. I've tried about ten different ones in two years that didn't work out at all. my buddy has one that almost always does the job but He let go of a really bad boar and heeled beside us and got my dogs cut pretty severely one time. I may be picky but i had a cur cat cross at first and i haven't even found one as good as her yet and she wouldn't always catch right off.she gaged hog first and almost sneaked in to a yard or so then nailed ear like lightning.i am interested in around thirty or forty lb game bred dog with some leg on it but i dont want no human aggressive dog. If it gets loose i don't want my kids mauled.I also would like to think i could find one with some handle to it.I've hunted with dogs like this that are straight catch every time but i cant seem to get one. Maybe a dog like i want isn't out there but i want all that plus i want to have to use a break stick to remove it from a hog not just use one but need one or a knife to remove the ear!). I saw a blue tick that caught so hard I broke break stick trying to pry him off his eyes were bulging he was gripped so hard it took three of us to get him off and a big boar at that.surely there a bulldog like this out there or some dog. I think some one will read this and know what the problem is i'm not apposed to constructive criticism. Im just getting sick of seeing hogs bayed and loosing them. i see it taking some of the bottom out of good strike dogs.I don't like it at all.

Do u want a dog that finds and catches its own hogs or a dog that runs with the bay's dogs and catches what they find ?

Can I ask at what age are u starting and at what age are u hunting ur bulldogs.


Shotgun
Arkansas

i'm not set either way but rcd is what i want.If i had my choice it would be a tall lean lighting fast dog that locks down on an ear. but i'de be ok with a lead in as long as it is solid. my main dislike with a lead in is i walk hunt and it gets old leading one all day.If it hunts too it's ok. .................................. to the other question The first few pits i got were whatever i could get off graigs list. everyone says they all usually catch.... they don't! then a more experienced guy told me not to mess with them unless they are under two.I have had no luck there either but the youngest I have had was about 1.33 yr or so I have a american bulldog puppy right now that will likley do the job they are bred from those iron dog competition dogs and very high dollar but this was given to me to prove out gameness as a catch dog. this is the first prospective cd puppy i've had. she is a very laid back dog and loves to use her bite. I can see pups are the way to go but I only have loose dogs right now so I'm forced to take someone with a cd or take a gun. I need to get a dog ready to go soon or I'm not going to be able to solo hunt this fall and thats really what i like. my goals have changed since i posted at first because cold weather is getting close and i just need a good cd ready to go for now.

Man i have bad luck with some about like everyone else on here im sure. But my thnkn is i usually find  em  on here or local ppl giving them away. Ive never paid much of anything if i had to for em usually too many ppl just tryn to give them away. But i take one put him/her on a pig n pen and see if they naturally go for the head area. They usually always end up on ear unless really small hog. If they do not i dnt even give em a second chance. Now the next part is getn them to learn what a bay is. Its a lil harder now days because hogs break soo much. I used to just walk em n and when they seen the hog they would go catch and usually go to the next bay after that.  Or if they would go behind a cd already going to bays and catch. Its not really much to it to get a pit started if he/she loves a hog. Now if they r dog aggresive a lil shock therapy should work if not... gone! Ive been lucky not to run into any ppl aggresive  pits. Now the hard part to me with these free pits usually with one thats rather hyper is putn a good handle on em. I cant stand yapping on the bike or pulln me thru the woods. With a lil time a good switch or shock therapy works for this too. I would suggest just going thru some and find what works for u or if uve run out of patience and want to drop some change make the person show u the dog catch in the woods first! If i were to ever sell a cd i wouldnt mind doing that. Just wanted to share short version of some of my cd exp or 2cents ;)

Jagdtank I walk hunt to 90% of the time I will at random put my dogs on leads they had better walk nice or else but I don't mind walking a dog in the woods at all. Sounds like you need a set of rough curs lol

I dont know about rough curs.I wouldn't mind if any size hog was a caught hog. I would like to have that blue tick for sure though! I have noticed about every dog i see for sale around here is gotti razer edge.I'm thinking maybe your pits further south are closer to game bred lines or something.  this bulldog pup i have is from brave heart kennels in saint louis. she is a tall pup that carries herself like a puma. I figure she will turn out I put her in with a 40 lb pig she is 13 weeks old. she trys to eat him if he comes near her. this fella gave me a pup worth a couple grand at least i looked him up online. papers and all on the condition i report progress to him so he can test gameness. he drove from saint louis twice to meet up which is five or six hour drive.I figure you're gonna bread a good line of dogs if your that serious about your performance. she is awesome i sure hope she turns out i'm going to have a hard time parting with her if not.

Jagdtank, thats cool. I know the guy (via the web) who gave you the pup to try out. I have offered the same to hunters when I have had litters but being in Buffalo, N.Y. makes it quite a drive. I think its beneficial to both parties tho. Hope the pup works out.

Catahoula pit cross.

Three stock bred " rough as they need to be" cur dogs should be able to stop and anchor anything that walks, at least the ones bred where I'm from ;)

I have couple of rcd type dogs that will function as a lead in as well. I've had success with both finding hogs a number of times. One of em is a blue lacy/American bulldog and the other is a cat/pit. The lacy/bulldog is a stockier built dog but quick and very fast and has a surprisingly good nose. The cat/pit is a tall tall dog. Lots of leg under him and doesn't wear out fast at all. Just thought I'd give some input on this topix


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Two crosses popular in Georgia and Florida panhandle:
American Bulldog x Redbone hound
American Bulldog x birddog
Popular in Louisiana and Mississippi: Johnson American Bulldog x game bred pitbull (many believe this is the ultimate bulldog, just can't get any better)