EAST TEXAS HOG DOGGERS FORUM

On the previous thread I got asked a question about bottom on my type dogs.       I've been asked that also by others off line who have questions about these types of dogs.         Fair question I guess, but one that always struck me a little odd.     Bottom as I know it from this forum pertains to a dogs willingness to bay a pig till the cd's catch.   It's said that a dog that will stay with a pig for miles and miles or hours,  has good bottom, or a lot of it.   I respect this in bay dogs but just can't see its relevance to my type of dogs.       
     How do you measure a cd's bottom I ask myself.   How long it can hold for?   nah surely not I think.          The closest I can come to seeing bottom as I know it from bay dogs is in slower catch dogs as in the pit I used to run.   She wasn't fast enough to run down many pigs, but would catch them once they got to the brush if a pig stopped and turned to face it's pursuer in the brush.    As long as she could kinda keep up with them, she wouldn't stop.   These times were rare but did happen.   I'd hunt her with a young dog such as a young finder holder that was much faster than my pit.      The idea was to back the young inexperienced finder holder up with a good seasoned cd.   If the pit went for its own pig I'd have one catch here and another waaaaay over there in the brush somewhere.   By the time you got there you would have to send a second dog to the catch or the exhausted dog couldn't hold the pig once it seen you arrive on scene.       
    I guess what I'm trying to say is a big reason I have the types of dogs I run now is to eliminate the need to even worry about bottom.   The pigs are either caught where they are found or run down in short order.    I don't use a slower cd anymore that can't quickly run one down although I can incorporate them into a team.  If a pig gets away by flicking a dog in thick cover or manages to beat a dog to thick cover and the pig doesn't turn to face it's pursuer  like most once it gets this stuff it just depends on the dog as to how much effort it then puts into trying to relocate the pig and resume the pursuit.    My stags will give it up after several minutes.     I've sat and waited a good while on my finder holders to give it up because I couldn't call them back before I got a handle on them.      I can't remember a time that I couldn't call them back that they didn't eventually make good on the pig or at least a pig in the brush where they initially got beat though.      If they think the pig is not gone, but just hiding, they gonna be there for a while.              I kinda addressed bottom from a different angle in my dogs.    Putting a handle on them has given me the ability to call dogs back most of the time and the speed of the cd's tends to make it even harder for me to come up with a good way to measure bottom in my dogs.   I've canceled it out I guess you could say.
     Hope this helped explain your question about the bottom my dogs may or may not possess Art.

There is a such thing as "bottom" in bulldogs...and it's not what you described above in your pit example.

streak to really be effective  why wouldn't  you  use  your dogs  for what they are good for  but  if no hogs  in the fields to see ....man we can just ride around the edge  and  wind  hogs off the buggy  in the brush on the edge  of the  field ...... seems like you would want both styles ......you bound  to pass piles  of  pigs ......

Yes, I see. If I'm getting this right. If the hog isn't caught out in the open. Does beat the dogs into the brush. Your stags will go in for a little while and then come out.
Finder holders will also go in and search but for a little longer. Before coming back. I guess that's where I asked bottom.. To me bottom begins after the hog knows the dog is in behind. And the distance it is willing to go to either catch or come bayed.
I've kinda got and idea of your hunting. Not saying bad. But you and I are on completely different pages. What works for you mite work for your buddy, but what works for me and my buddy wouldn't for you. I've began to see that there's no comparison here, and really no point to argue. Do I think your dogs mite work in my area. I don't, BUT that's ok.  Your hunts usually end where mine start. Not saying it's a bad thing. Or mine is better than yours.
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Scott I would like to hear what it is, if its not how long they will hold, is it like gameness?

I have seen finder holders stop pigs 1600 yards in the brush off the truck n still hunt all day a finder holder with a good nose will find pigs in the brush mountain swamp there dogs that can do most what other dogs do it just depends on how u hunt them if your take them in brush %100 of the time they will go out n find pigs if you hunt fields and they don't stop them in the open they will stay on the pig till the grab it or till the lose the it like any other dog at least that's my take on it n my experience I believe my dogs could do any thing a cur can(besides bay) just with more top end MUCH ALOHA

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hey it ain't that simple .... us woods hunters  take young dogs and really hunt them the style to make woods or  brush dogs and it takes a few years to get them trained out  ... now  come on there would have to be very few dogs not hunted like we hunt that make sure nuff  brush dogs ....... this dog can do anything your dogs do and more just don't wash ..... I can't compete running down hogs across a pasture with those dogs they built for it ......but when you come in the brush that's  my game .......

Hyan I referring strictly to what deans dog as to what he wrote about them. If I remember correctly you said y'all brought catahoula into yalls line of dogs. I believe that's where the difference of your and deans dogs start.. I'm not sure, you say catahoula that's what the plan was for a little better nose..

For me the dog should bay or catch as fast as it can first if it's not successful first second or 3rd try and so on it should keep trying. Now that comes with style you hunt and size of your property and restrictions of your dogs and how you want the dog to hunt. I judge bottom from the first action of baying or trying to catch that's where I feel bottom is noted. Prior to that is range and desire to hunt. I like a super rough catchy dog to have much less bottom then say a loose dog you all know the reason. Any one can say this or that but deep down every one would like to have a dog that would stick to one till the end of time. But in most cases it's not practical. If a dog catches as soon as it gets to the hog ain't much need for bottom it will cause more problems then help. And a loose dog with no bottom is on the other side will up set u when the dog comes back empty handed. Bottom is in the eye of the dog owner to me


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Yea it might have it was ended up being only a little u think most of the nose in our dogs came from the shepherd I am not sure but I know the cat did help the main reason I wanted to put cat in was because he was a leopard n all his pups came out that way but our dogs also were the same size as black streak

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I showed you what we hunt n you can't say that it ain't woods or brush our dogs were let's say retired around 1 if they were not turning on so for us by the time they were 2 they had to be finding and catching on there own "one off" if not then it's retirement for that one and by the time there 3 they are main dogs and ready to train the next set of pups

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If this is only about blacks dogs then I won't say anything further MUCH ALOHA

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I don't know if you can compare catching rank boars here to the islands ........ from what I have seen  it is some ruff up and down country ....but the size and strength of the boars is way different ...... 250 pound rank male on good feed is hard to handle ....the male we caught about a week ago had 3  curdogs on him he knocked one bulldog clean out and beat my gyp off on a tree .......when we cut him his seeds was like ground meat them curdogs was working on him and he still put it on our catchdogs  from time we turned catchdogs loose we had  him tied in about 5 too 6 minutes ........I  just believe  ya'll would have been gathering some collars on a  rank boar like him caught way out ......

The biggest pig I got back home was 237 he was coming down from the mountains to feed in the sugar cane at night then back up so he was a bad boy n in shape we don't cut anything bigger then 100 pounds and I believe hairy holder does hunt the delta and catches big rank boars if I am not mistaken

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This is a really good post Judge and captures well what I was trying to articulate.

You are right on the size thing but I do believe also that because of the harsh climate they have to live in it makes the pigs there much Stronger then say pigs up here most every boar or lahole you run in to there won't think about running until he is latched on to my buddy had some rough bay dogs they would hit pigs the pig would start to fight then they would let go bay again once they let go and the pig relized what happen he was off they had to grab his sack to stop him again and then it would play out again grab pig runs ext. Till the pig finally said my bum hurts sits down and fights from him bum you can use rough dogs there but has to be more then two maybe around 5 to put the stop on pigs where they find them the pigs there are mean all of them that we have let go tried to get us and even with two dogs on there head if  they seen a glimpse of you that's where they are trying to drag the dogs to

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Parker you painted a picture for me of those dogs fighting the big boar.    Your cd sounds like it did its job but the curs ripping on the boar while the bulldog was caught  didn't help the catch dog on this boar.              Your so wrapped up in what you have seen over the past years with your own dogs, that it's almost impossible for you to grasp what happens with different style dogs.          Really sounds like a bad boar that would have  tested any dogs metal but in all likelihood 2 and only 2  finder holders or just 2 big but good cd's would have held that boar without as much fuse.    They would have been more in control  and not bitting, barking, chewing, and inciting more violence from the pig.      The level of energy put into escape and defense and assault on the 2 cd's by the pig would have deesculates after the first minute of hookup without the way it's done as Hyan and I describe using only 2 finder holder type dogs.          Not like the dogs are caught way out and the boar fights just as hard from start to finish  the entire time it takes you to get there.         When you get to a catch often times the boar tries a little harder but nothing like the initial hook up.           If you have never hunted like this, then I wouldn't expect you to get it.       Just got to take the word of people that do.        I've hunted both ways and understand both really well.         You do not.   you understand 1 really well, not the other as you have proved many many times in the past threads.       No big deal, just stop telling people like me what would have happened with our type dogs on pigs you catch in the type of environment you hunt.     Been there and done that buddy, with two different kinds of dogs.    Hyan has provided pictures of what he hunted back home and and give good detail of the dogs and their hunt style.    Even in the face of that, you still stand on your soap box saying your dogs hunt what ours can't.         just cause we don't hunt that stuff anymore doesn't mean if we moved back to our old haunts, we can't go back to hunting it again.    

 ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D hehehehehee  good lord .....black  you something else ......anybody knows when you set a hog down it takes away his power ...and that's what the baydogs suppose  to do ......  i been hunt'n a long time ...not just on weekends are when i see hog out in a field ......anybody that catches and ties a lot of big rank boars hunts  bulldogs for catch and they get close lead in and try to get the hog  under control before he kills the  dogs ......you get away with it because  your out in the open and your dog can move with the hog ....here in a cutover up under briars are a tree top a big rank hog will turn your dog roll him up and get on top of him and  just eat him up ........ in an open field or places they don't seem to fight the same they know there exposed and try to get to the thickets ..........  you bay one up backed up to a wallow hole and see what happens  to your finders holders ........ a big rank boar will rip his ears clean off beating dogs on the ground and against trees ripping them off .......i know what I've seen happen ....i said  your dogs would  be better to out run mine across a field .......but tracking up and running hogs in the brush  is what we have  bred  our  dogs  for  ........ hyan all iknow is what I've seen on tv read or the person that called me wanting dogs told me about hunting the islands ....... i know the pigs or not as big as the  ones  here ..... what  i seen in the pictures and video's  is what we call rooter hogs .....believe me  they are way meaner and will cut  your baydogs to shreds ...not because they ranker but because they smaller and the baydogs try to catch them ....... i have caught lots of them with one baydog and one catchdog ........ when i grew  up there was no feeders and  it was mean rooter hogs in the woods  you could bay up 40 head  of  em ......now they or  wild and ruffer to catch i try my best to use  2  catchdogs  now ....plus  its where we have  to  catch most  of em ........

i meant to add .... besides the smaller rooter  hogs we  had  some  good meat hogs too  when i was a kid also but they wasn't rank wild  like now they bayed up easy .....maybe its the Russian  in them now and the logged out timber  they just harder to catch ..... and we have   better  dogs  now ....

I am not sure I've ever hunted with a finder holder or not sure if I've ever seen one, but I do know what parker is talking about. A finder holder in briar thickets will have to be one heck of a dog. It takes us forever getting to a bay in our woods. A dog would have to find n catch n would may take up to hour getting to him. I run loose dogs simply because I couldn't get to a pack of rough dogs in time. Here's a few pics of what most of our hunts consist of. I couldn't imagine two dogs on a hog in some of these places for ample amount of time, but I've also never seen your dogs. To each man his own. If it's working its working. Happy hunting
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I don't see the big she said he said a good dog should do good any where there are pigs will it be the best probly not but it should be able to perform.


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I have dogs hold for a long time once the dogs get locked on for a while the pigs will start to calm n move with the dogs on it giving a head shake every now and then the reason you see so much mayhem when you get to a bay is because a boar is Bayed up the dogs are barking in his mind that's all that's going on then out of nowhere two dogs come running in a grab it now every thing goes crazy think of it like this you are in some stuff people are mad and yelling at you your not a lib so it don't hurt you then two guys run in a punch you in the face do you still stand there and look around or do you start fighting back you fight back then the cops show up right after you get hit maybe 20 sec what do they see a big fight now if they came before the two guys hit you they would see u just standing there taking the yells just like a pig with bay dogs now if you are walking and two guys blind side you(finderholders) you don't have time to fight right off the bat by the time you are ready to fight they are beatting you down that's what a finderholder does beats a pig down till the pig says enough and just starts walking around then the hawaiian guy shows up puts a knife in the pigs neck sends the dogs off to try it again :D  if you see the way au guys hunt when they get to the pig in the crop it is just walking around with two dogs on its head the longer the hold the more calm the pig will be when you get there...parker if a 200 boar that runs up and down mountains daily with 2 1/2  dog killing blades is a "rooter" hog then I am not sure I want to hunt the rank boars you hunt lol

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The big is I need to keep telling my self my boto is bigger  ;D

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I never said his dog wouldnt find a hog... I said itd be hard for 2 dogs to hold a hog long enough to get to it where I hunt. IMO adain im not trying to get in a pissing match, but i do see what Parker was saying

X2 Judge hit the nail on the head with this... I'd like for my dogs to consistently perform in any area. May not out hunt a dog from said area, but they better by God do work like they do at home anywhere I take them.


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I think It depends on the dogs shape also you can't take your dog's to hawaii and hunt mauna Kea where the air is so thin you get winded walking 50 yards to where they are hunting at sea level but I understand what  u guys are getting at  if I have a dog in tx it should be able to hunt la  ;) I am trying to nit pick lol apples to a water melon standing strait up

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you know what you know and I know what I know ......your dogs may do what you say on the islands on them 130 pound average  hogs  but  they want here   ..........

Lacrash that wasn't a jab at you just a statement I believe to be true


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Hyan I forgot bout that stuff lol been long time but I do rember going to the top of pta and sucking wind and don't u dare fall to the ground the lava rock sticking thrus the red dirt will cut you to shreds that I will never for get


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Yup and for some stupid reason us kids use to run on that bare foot chasing goats member these?(http://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20160923/160ac6d384049f6977d44c25b2b3af73.jpg) the sheep was up at pta the goats was down the beach

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10-4 your right

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Yes I member them


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2 big ear dogs can hold a boar a long time if they don't fight the hog. First time I seen 2 80lb dogs CONTROLLING a 275lb boar, a light bulb came on. A buddy and I've caught plenty good boars with 2 dogs. Hell, my best dog can handle 250lb hogs by himself in the woods.

come on ......anybody can cherry pick times   they seen dogs do all kinds of things ..... if two dogs handle a   boar  for a long time in thick cutover everything has  to be right .... I been hunting a  long time I know dogs would over heat  unless its  cold ..... a rank fighting boar  would  just cut the  crap out of em if no vest ....... a dog caught on a hogs ear  is in a fight period .....this stuff is nothing new ....one thing is for sure hog hunters want to catch hogs ....... if  someone comes up with something way better everyone will jump right to it ......do a little research  on the islands and other places our ways  of hunting here is influencing the way they  hunt more than there's is our's .....just go look picture after picture of bulldog crosses ......

Yes we breed bulldog crosses my friend runs english pointer / bull another one runs airdale / wippet the difference is there finderholders a finder holder does not have to be a stag type dog hell it can be a poddle for all I care but they are not leading a 50 pound bull dog to bays in the mountains I know that much I have never heard of it we can just drag a pigs to the buggy or drive the buggy to the pig that's why we pack pigs some times you walk up to 10 miles in a day more somtime if yoh camp up there and your not going to pack a 100 pound pig ten miles while dragging a dog around it just don't happen hell I lead in dogs now for just 200 yards in and out and I want to say the hell with this and let the bulldog lose

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I understand its ruff country and leading a dang bulldog  or a few of them wouldn't be great up and down mountains ..... although I did see some movies where they did lead catchdogs in Hawaii ...... when I was a kid I had  to lead the dam dog ..... I said why I got to lead this dog well you the lowest man on the todem pole .... I said  can I invite  somebody  next time  ......we ride everyhere now thank god .....but when I was young we  left the house a foot ...and if daddy thought they may be a good bunch of hogs across the river well we waded or swam it.......he walked wide open all day never stopped unless at a bay or working a  hog ....we would leave at daylight and  come  home that evening so I can imagine except the mountains  how  you hunted .......also what we killed we poled out ....whoow glad I was a kid I didn't have to get on the end of the pole .... I like talking dogs  with ya'll but I really don't care who believes  what  or  how they hunt ....

. Several people I know put shock collars on there bulldogs and teach em to follow horse they ride up to bay and they don't catch till sent. If they hunting off buggy's they don't put a leash on em they follow em to bay and catch when sent it takes some time to get a handle like that on one though

fella hunted with us a while back had his bulldog trained like that with the e collar .......he also could slap him and tell him to back off a catch and he would seen him do it ....my jerry dog I could slap one time and he would set down while I tied a hog but he wasn't full bulldog ......  no longer than one lasts  us it ain't worth giving them even a name ....

A good handle on a cd is a must. Parker why do you go thru so many


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Yes sir that's about how there's are they break em off slap tell em to get back and they go lay down

we  hunt for boar hogs  look for big tracks we have caught 58 boar hogs in the past 8 months or about ..... they just get wrecked ...... teeth get broke out ,,,,,, we don't like nose catchers ......with just the cull factor and getting wrecked we go through catch dogs .....and I hunt with some boys  that will tie a grizzly ...and we lead to the bay .... so its not like we let them hang taking a beating ....

I seen guys go thru tons of dogs I don't get it. I don't think it has as much to do with the hog size as much as with the quality of the dog. And how it's used I catch a good amount of big hogs I don't have that problem. Not that I can't I just don't. Many things go in to play when hunting anything can happen. And it usely does. I have heard a lot of guys say this it's cheaper to get a new dog then it is to save one so they hunt with that in mind I guess that's one way to do it. I think a top notch cd dog is just as valuable as a top strike dog


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I went through a pile of Bulldogs til I have the pair I have now.. A bulldog has to have the same amount of brains as your cur dogs do.. If they catch wild they are gonna get slaughtered. If they'll hunt a ear up and get under a hog they'll live a many a days with a good vest.

well  if you catch a lot of boars in ruff logged out cutovers are rowed pines you will go through catchdogs ..... there's been several  R I P posts on this board in the past few months and I really don't think hardly a month goes by without someone posting they lost a  dog or got some eat up ......

Dogs get kill for all kinds of reasons. Big teeth ruff hogs falling off cliffs snake bites drowning gators hit by trucks crossing rds the list goes on and on. I don't I always here bout the pine rows but never heard of the pine rows them self killing cd but I don't hunt pine rows so I don't know. A big hog is a big hog no matter what he calls home and a good dog is a good dog no matter where he hunts


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no sir I disagree rowe planted pines here get so wove'n with briars and brush you can't throw a rock in it .... catch rank boarhogs in it you will loose catchdogs ...broke teeth , over heated, or gutted .....its  just a matter of time ....... judge how many rank boarhogs do you catch and tie a year ?

I tie a few but that's not what where talking bout I don't care who ties or catches more we both know what where doing. I under stand pine rows are rough or least every one says that. A dog can get his teeth knocked at any time or be gutted at any time. Wasn't trying to get another pissing contest. Was just wondering why so many CDs. It can be thick and rough any where don't have to be a 10 thousand acre pine farm to be rough. In my experience it takes all of bout 1/2 a second to get a dogs teeth knocked out or gutted one min or less to drown. Never seen a dog killed by a gator but I would think 3 seconds it pretty much over. Any brush pile or thicket can get a dog in trouble.how many CDs do you think u have went thru in a yr.

Ive broke several teeth out, over heated several, gutted a couple. I hunt all the same country as you do mr Parker.. And I stand behind my statement as a bulldog with brains and a good quality vest will take you a long ways.. I usually tie 150+ head a year this year being pretty slow and I'm barely at a 100 due to work. I've been using the same Bulldogs for 2 years and I've doctored on em some but they know how to get under a hog as well so that sure helps.. I'm not saying they won't get killed tomorrow but I sure don't go through em like a sack of AA batteries.

A dog can get killed at any time that's a fact to many variables to take in. But in my eyes a good vest and a good dog and a good hand go hand in hand. I hear a lot of guys that get CDs killed ether no vest or no help. My buddy lost one just the other day no vest. He ran that cd for 5 yrs. there are plenty guys that use the same cd for yrs and tie plenty big hogs


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Drop their chest to the dirt and body up with the hog. They'll be alright


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we go through 4 or 5 a year ....... rarely do we have  one last 3  years  .....  I do not care to use catch dogs with broke out teeth or nose catchers are leg catchers..... just about everybody I see with an older bulldog there holders  are broke or some of there holder's is broke ...... I hunt to catch hogs  with least  stress on both as possible my dogs and the hogs ..... different world  here ...... my bay dogs right now look like they have  been shot with buckshot my catch dog is just now healing up last boar hog stuck her about 4 times with 3 inch teeth with a full vest  hog broke when we cut the catch dogs loose took 300 yards before they stopped the hog and caught it ....... maybe its because we hunt a lot .....one of my boys goes to work at 2 pm til 10 pm in a plant so we can hunt every morning if we want another boy that has hunted with us since he was a kid works on a rig 14 and 14 when he gets home he wants to hunt every day and my oldest son hunts when he's not working and two other boys that wants to hunt everyday they off work ....we own 3000 acres of timber land and lease several thousand more so deer season don't even effect us except when I 'm deer hunting or duck hunting for a week or so ....not trying to brag  but just saying  that's why we go through dogs we hunt year  round ......

Not to be in a pissing contest or to debate... But Mr. Parker in shorter words you're telling me that you catch way more rank hogs than anybody and have the roughest country to hunt... I'm sorry sir but I've crossed the Sabine on 10 and hunted everything south to holly beach. I've got 12k acres give or take just across the river in Newton county and I hunt year round as well... On avg I usually tie 10/15 barrs a year more than half being over 300, usually cut north of 40 head of boar hogs. I try to use a pair of Bulldogs as well but it's hard to handle a pair by ya self lol

Lot of guys catch big hogs on regular basis and they do it with the same dogs. You got to be doing some serious work to ruin 5 bill dogs a yr


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where the hell did I say I catch more rank hogs than anyone else .. I stated what we catch ..... I never said ruffest country I said ruff country ..... how old are you ? ..... I'd be willing to bet you don't catch near  what you say  you catching ......

I looked at  your pictures loftin ......  good hogs but  your a ride along the real older dog  men wasn't in the pictures ,,, your first tracking system was in what 2013 according to your posts I have a shocking collar  older than you are ....hey I like to talk dogs its fun ....but don't say people is saying what they haven't said ...

That's just what I gathered from your response no ill feelings here just misinterpreted a statement.. Also if you'll read through my post prior to 13' I had nothing but hart bred yellow dogs strictly hunted off horses and never owned a bulldog I was brought up not using 1. A blowing horn was all a man was alotted to find his dog under the roof I was raised under. I've been hunting with my dad since I was 6, I'll be 26 in November. And I've had my own set of dogs since I was 15.I finally started hunting outside my norm with new people and seen that there was better ways of doing it than the way I was brought up... A ride along ? Sir, I've been younged to death my whole life with dogs, horses, work whatever the case may be... But 1 thing is for sure I've never rode on any older mans coat tail to get those hogs caught and the pictures you seen were a small percentage of what I tie. I just recently started posting in here again when I
Deleted my Facebook.... I apologize for any disgruntled feelings

Parker u asked me how many I catch and tie. We have had this argument on here before. So guy a ties 64 guy b ties 48 and guy c ties 30 I wouldn't say one is better then the other. If you catch a lot u probly have good numbers if you hunt a lot you have a lot of land and time off or plenty money to do what u want. I don't know why but every time it turns into I been doing this this long or I caught this and this and that who cares. The time you been doing something isn't important as how long it took u to become knowledgeable and good at what your doing. That is in all things.


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it does matter how many each person catches especially if he has perty good track dogs and hunts  boars and bar's ...little pigs shoats and sows don't kill many dogs ....big rank hogs  is just ruff on dogs and the terrain you hunt in plays into that also ....... I said we hunt a lot never said I was better than anyone else just that that is probably the reason we go through that many dogs .... you have to agree that the more big hogs a person catches the more he's likely to get dogs  cut ...?

Oh ya but it don't take much teeth to cut dogs the smaller the teeth the sharper. I feel like the most deadly teeth are 1 and 1/2 inch teeth they slice and cauze bleeding the big teeth are blunt force ripping although it's brutal slicing is more deadly do to the bleeding. But it's all good brother. I don't catch many small pigs I say I average around 200 lbs but some time you roll in a group you might catch one big one or 3 small one you never know.


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yeah to me smaller teeth is ruff on baydogs .... but vested dogs them horns is ruff ...... the baydogs catch a lot of the smaller boars we catch that  is why I said they look like they been shot with buckshot ....  we catch quite a few smaller hogs too in the river bottom even though we try not too .... more bigger hogs out in the planted pines here .....

I've caught 2 hogs this year that I really thought was bad, neither of those hogs had more that 3/4"-1" of teeth and would be hard pressed to break 160 lbs. Mr they cut everything I owned from heaven to breakfast and killed the best thing I've ever owned and my dogs will back up and bay Shoats they are far from rough.. Big hogs are hell but them 150-200lb boar hogs are the ticket to lighten the feed bill.

they fast ...and lots of times they back in a hole usually and opening in front of them dog can't get away before they caught ....I've seen some that had bad teeth and roll dogs and really not  do much ...and I've seen some that could flat  use em ......my worst fear  is them breaking on my bulldogs .....

When I run my rough dogs 150 to 200 lbs hog usely don't cause much problems cuz he will be caught the second he stops or fights. But tight baying looser dogs will get banged  up by this type of hog and even more so in thick stuff


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Parker, Yall turn loose soley on tracks? dont cast?

Seems to be every boar hog for in fayette county. If we catch a boar 9/10 times it's 150-185 lbs and a little rank scissor toothed razorback hog.


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As for those kind of hogs puttin a whooping on loose dogs more than rough. Well idk if that's true, I run looser dogs. I don't call them loose dogs but they're looser than they are rough. I catch a few of them dog killing size boars and I feel as long as your dogs are decent at what they do and COMMIT TO WHAT THEYRE DOING. You usually will be alright I think. Hesitation or 1 dog not jumping the hog when another does is what gets dogs cut down in my opinion. Like my dogs, I'll have a stray cut here and there pretty often but it's rare that I have something cut down enough to need a vet. As a closing I will say there are some hogs that just know how to use their teeth and that hog is gonna cut up a cull the same way he cuts up a superstar...... Lmao how did we get here from "bottom vs. my dogs"


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we wind off the buggy a lot.... track hunt and cast ...but we try to cast on sign of big hogs.....if we cast in the rowed pines we more apt  to get on a boar hog they seem to run the trails in that thick stuff ...open bottom sows and pigs ....but if you have a sure nuff track dog you can really stay in big hogs and thats ruff on the dogs ..... what I have seen gets bay dogs in trouble is   if the hog runs one down the other dogs think the  dog is caught and they pile on .... and that usually don't work out well .....nothing works every time  ......that's why hog hunting  is so exciteing you never know what will happen ......