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Still love bouncing ideas off y’all even after all this time lol... this is a cross I’ve been working towards for a while.

Goal?  Add bite/speed/athleticism without losing anything but working sense

Outcrossing on the right Shep/Mali line will be key

First I'd say I'm the least of you in experience and advice to give, but if I was going to venture down this road I would consider the Belgian Malinois. To me, they seem to fit the athletic, smarts and bite profile you described.

After posting, I see you mentioned the malinois. Never mind.  :-\

Fellow I know Is crossing border collie with lurcher style dogs for the brains and athleticism, and selecting the one’s that have natural treeing tendencies and crossing them back over treeing stock and is creating his own style of bobcat hound, my favorite kinda stuff to read about...

He’s ruffled enough feathers in the bobcat hunting world to fully feather a flock of turkeys but as far as I know has yet had a single heavy hitter in that world step up to the plate and call his bluff with open invitations on the table for them to come to him or he to them to show his dogs abilities to do as he claims...

If I can get my hands on the right Mali in my price range, I will have my next catch dog prospect, they have almost everything I like in a catchdog except for being longer coated than most moulasser type breeds...

Good stuff broth Goose

I would say the right Malinois Shepherd of the Police dog stock that are used to run down and stop criminals would be the type to use with the right breed or strain of proven catch dogs...

Good to see you on here Noah...

I have absolutely no experience with this, but I would suggest strongly looking at the Malinois that you select. The ones the military use are typically not from America from what I’ve heard/seen, (although I may be thinking of German Shepherds not Belgian Malinois) but they are tested extensively and one of the tests is will they hold on to a person while that person is beating on them trying to make them let go. I have read some posts from a guy that works them as well as hog dogs (his name is calicatchers on instagram, great page to check out) and he has posted before about how it takes a very hard dog to go under a house or in a room and hold a grown man after the dog has been beaten or even shot. In special operations it’s not unheard of to have a dog kill someone. Some of the SOF dogs have multiple kills from clearing houses. I would do a lot of digging to try and find a dog off of those lines


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Good to see you again as well Reuben, bred a lot, hunted a lot, culled a lot since we last spoke lol... but I have made headway in concentrating my old blood for posterity so I might experiment with said outcrosses for my own amusement lol... and yes Austesis, me and Cali have spoken lol... two likeminded fruitcakes on opposite coasts

That’s awesome Noah, he’s an extremely intelligent man. I wish he was on here, he has a lot of interesting posts and good reads on instagram. I love how open minded he is with a lot of different breeds and methods of working dogs.


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Just had this guy pop up on Facebook, looks like he works Belgian Malinois on hogs (https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20191227/b80e511b3fc40b10c31f26b03ab2f27d.jpg)


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https://m.facebook.com/story.php?story_fbid=2120733791474855&id=100006147647566&fs=0&focus_composer=0   Don’t know if video works let me this.  I am thinking about breeding this dog to a cat/dogo jyp.

https://m.facebook.com/story.php?story_fbid=2120733791474855&id=100006147647566&fs=0&focus_composer=0

Thinking about breeding this dog to a cat/dogo jyp.

https://m.facebook.com/story.php?story_fbid=1881521472062756&id=100006147647566

Not saying that the cross will work or it won’t, but what that guy is doing to that dog in the vids is not even close to the resistance a good boar will dish out.

I read a book on Ben Lilly believe he liked a dog with some collie in it or at least hunted a few on big game.

I really have had good luck with mal/dutch sh.'s from 187 kennells on FB. He is an old dog man

I never hunted mine but i can guarantee they had the endurance and speed of any cur/hound type dog. And if they can smell out drugs and bombs i'd imagine they like to use their nose to track

Definitely would cross with a Mal before a Sheppard. I have some full blooded mals and two that are Malinois Greyhound and Pit cross. They are bad news. I mainly use them with thermal and night vision as sight dogs but only cause they're so gritty. They will take a track and hunt like nobody's business to though. We're friends on FB so you may have seen some videos of them from time to time.

I have a line of bird dog crosses I hunt right now but been kicking the idea of working in some Malinois blood into my daylight dogs. I really would like to find the right Plott dog to cross to a malinois.

Little off the line of thought but I stopped by and old friends house the other day and saw he had the most athletic and well put together border collie female I’ve ever seen, very quick on her feet and extremely agile and sharp as a tack and very well bred just going off first impressions, the thought had been in the back of my mind for a while to find one to cross with the bobcat blooded walker crosses I have but I wasn’t going to put forth any effort in the search, as luck would have it this one came along and is the exact type of specimen I’d like to cross with, my male Ben seems to be putting the brains his family is already known for in his offspring, I’m excited to see the outcome, they’re going to be a little longer coated than ideal and I imagine I might lose some bottom but and I gambling on the gains that could come along will outweigh what’s left in the table....

I always wondered if my mals would bay or catch. Yours are catch??? I know for sure they would hunt and had the endurance and speed to do so, but was to worried to try them in the woods in fear they would catch out a mile away. I didnt want to risk it as the 2 i had were such good guard dogs it wasnt worth it to experiment 4 me, and not like i didnt have strike a catch dogs that worked just fine anyhow...

personally id be worried about their bay style - good luck though. Dr long from A&M has collie / BMC crosses that are pretty nice ive heard of (no personal knowledge) but thats where id start researching.

I have a cowboy buddy uses border collies for his cow work.... they will bay a hog and keep it sitting long enough for him to get close enough to get a rope on it,if he says "get a hold" they will pile on like tics. I imagine if a guy had some that worked on hogs he could do just fine

My Mal crosses are 1/2 Mal 5/16 Greyhound 3/16 Pit. Very fast and athletic and catch as hard as any bulldog I've seen. My full blooded Mal yard dog will bay a bad hog but if/when he catches he don't let go. He runs loose and keeps strange people off the property.

Funny story... One day I was at home sick and on the couch in my boxers. I heard him outside raising straight hell. It went on for about 10 minutes and I got up to see what he was up to and he had about a 350 pound black guy up on the hood of his car bayed up! I hollered at him and he sat down and never took his eyes off of him. The guy said sir can you get your dog, i'm such and such with the Jehovahs Witnesses and wanted to talk. Told him I was sick and not interested at the time. Never seen him again lol

Hunt the grunt, lmao that’s a good one. I had two ladies with jehovas witness come to my door and I didn’t feel like answering it. I was watching them on my cameras and as soon as they rang the doorbell all the dogs started raising hell in the kennels on the backside of the house and they bout fell trying to run back to the car. They never came back lol.

Do you have pictures of your dogs? That sounds like an interesting cross


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The brindles are the crosses and the red ones are full blooded.
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That sounds like some cool cds very athletic i bet, the 2 mals i had were great guard dogs after about 18 mo old... cool breed for sure. check out 187 kennels of FB

Man the brindle in the second picture is looking sharp. I see lots of people that will put 1/8 pit in their dogs to make them rough, or 1/8 hound for a bit more nose, but haven’t seen people do 1/8 Malinois for anything. I wonder why, they have incredible amounts of drive, athletic ability, and also good noses.


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I’m working on it. Slowly but surely. Got a line of bird dog crosses that I invest most of my kennel space and time on


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what's in the bird dog crosses and what are you using them for?

They’re hog dogs too. They are mostly birddog with a touch of bulldog, hound, and bmc. And even a leopard dog in there a little ways back.

Basically you know how anywhere you go there are “local legends”? The dogs that when you mention their name, anyone from that area who has been hunting for a while will immediately know? Over the years I’ve either gotten pups directly off of or bred my females to 5 different “local legends”.  I say local but they spread out all across Ga. Two of those are straight birddog which is why mine are more birddog than anything.

So I’ve bred best to best and crossed them to point that I now have two litters that can all be traced back to the 5 dogs mentioned above. From here I plan on tightening up the line with what I got.

Probably more than you wanted to know but you got it lol


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What kind of nose and bottom are you consistently getting with the bird dog crosses?

They have plenty of bottom, they dang sure don’t like to quit. They wind pretty good but they’ll put their noses down and grind out a track as well. They have a hotter nose about like most cur dogs but they hunt out pretty good and once they’re in hogs they’re all I could ask for.


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It's never more than I want to know! Us newbies can't learn if people like you aren't willing to share, so thank you. I like bird hunting a lot, but also am crazy about the handful of times I've been pig hunting over the past decade or so. I'm thinking of a pointer crossed to a greyhound for birds, pigs, and some faster things. I know when you start mixing things up hoping for the best of both worlds it rarely works out that way, but it's certainly been on my mind for awhile.

That's awesome you've been able to pull off such great blood. Sounds like a nice line you're building!

Ive got a real nice male malinois with leg, speed ,endurance, prey drive etc if  any of yall want to breed to him let me know. I dont want anything for it just feed back on how they turn out  ;D

I would be curious to see more people make these crosses


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