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Title: Malinois CD
Post by: make-em-squeel on November 09, 2020, 03:35:36 pm
Just got my 18 mo old malinois shepherd to his first bay. Led him in to about 75 yards and cut him to a nice fat sow and he was lugged up on the ear holding good like a cd should. Do any of yall know anyone else using them a CD's? If so are they hard enough to stay caught even when it gets western? (obviously I know some are/ but are they generally hard enough)

IMO having quality cds speed and endurance is key when hardness is equal.  Ive had some real athletic scott bred ABS, dogos, and game bred pits but I can promise you none of those breeds can hang with the endurance and speed of a dutch or malinois shepherd. I hope there hard enough, they are on people


Title: Re: Malinois CD
Post by: t-dog on November 10, 2020, 08:16:08 am
Time will tell on the hardness. I agree with your important points. One more essential point for me is brains. I would question the hardness of them like you. My other question would be durability. With their size and frame how much are they going to be able to take if used consistently on hunt after hunt of multiple hogs. Of course 2 catch dogs at a time will make things easier but I want dogs I can use solo for a long time. They are a freakishly athletic animal with a ton of drive for sure. I'm interested to see how they work out for you.

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Title: Re: Malinois CD
Post by: WayOutWest on November 10, 2020, 11:12:20 am
I would also have questions about their excitability, will they be able to calm down after the catch and not grab a bay dog or a person. If they can do that it goes a long way towards being a good catch dog.


Title: Re: Malinois CD
Post by: make-em-squeel on November 10, 2020, 01:00:52 pm
I would also have questions about their excitability, will they be able to calm down after the catch and not grab a bay dog or a person. If they can do that it goes a long way towards being a good catch dog.

have had no issues with any agro at all. even with my other ones in yrs past I used in a pen to start pups. Ill keep yall updated on my Mal/Dutch CD experiment. They defiantly have the drive, speed, agility and endurance. I to wonder about the durability but I only hunt 2 or 3 times a month so probably wont matter much with my schedule. So far so good, he defiantly caught solid on the ear his first chance/time he saw a pig. He had only seen shoats before and he would kill/gut them but not catch them, he was on the ear like a cd should be on the first one he saw over 100lbs


Title: Re: Malinois CD
Post by: Goose87 on November 10, 2020, 06:12:30 pm
Been tossing this thought around for several years now about using a mal as a cd, I’m sure there’s just as many hard ones as there is soft ones but what first got me to pondering the idea was the train ability and athleticism these dogs possess, if they are stable minded enough to go into battle along side our soldiers then I’d like to believe they can be trained and conditioned for catch dog work, my cousins ex husband was in a military unit that had a canine sector and the things he said he saw these dogs do and go through during actual combat would put their “gameness” and loyalty to handler right there amongst the APBT, w/o going into detail on the net and to make it short he said that a lot of them would literally be taking their last breaths while still trying to complete a commanded task, I have some pretty good connections with the canine unit at a local state prison just down the rd from my house and have been given the opportunity to get a mal on a few occasions but they’re not using the phenotype I’m looking for, there’s seem to be a bit more bulkier and thicker coated than what I’d like....


Title: Re: Malinois CD
Post by: make-em-squeel on November 11, 2020, 10:18:43 am
Been tossing this thought around for several years now about using a mal as a cd, I’m sure there’s just as many hard ones as there is soft ones but what first got me to pondering the idea was the train ability and athleticism these dogs possess, if they are stable minded enough to go into battle along side our soldiers then I’d like to believe they can be trained and conditioned for catch dog work, my cousins ex husband was in a military unit that had a canine sector and the things he said he saw these dogs do and go through during actual combat would put their “gameness” and loyalty to handler right there amongst the APBT, w/o going into detail on the net and to make it short he said that a lot of them would literally be taking their last breaths while still trying to complete a commanded task, I have some pretty good connections with the canine unit at a local state prison just down the rd from my house and have been given the opportunity to get a mal on a few occasions but they’re not using the phenotype I’m looking for, there’s seem to be a bit more bulkier and thicker coated than what I’d like....

Interesting & thanks for the input, a friend of mine was in Iraq with his and said you couldnt physically beat it off a person while they were alive and struggling, his verbal command was only way he would let go. The freak athletic ability of these dogs has me wanting to see how they do. youtube the amazing malinois, only like 5 min but speaks for itself. The previous 2 I owned before this one im catching with now never got tired, even in summer would pace the 2 acre fence all day. I am going to try straight mals for now but even if used to cross to a bulldog it seems better than a stag or greyhound to me for our cd purposes, bc they are bred to use their mouth and nose dont mature late and are as fast imo.


Title: Re: Malinois CD
Post by: make-em-squeel on November 11, 2020, 10:20:14 am
FYI he is a male if any of yall want to breed to him, I dont want a pup or anything for it other than feed back. Imo a half mal half game bred pit would be a scary dog lol


Title: Re: Malinois CD
Post by: WayOutWest on November 11, 2020, 11:46:02 am
Gary Hammonds ended up with some of those crosses and tried several times to get me to take one and I went out and looked at them on a chain and they did scare the bejesus out of me. It might be different getting one as a pup but these full grown psycho acting beasts had me buffaloed. They were some physical specimens.


Title: Re: Malinois CD
Post by: Fixitlouie on November 15, 2020, 03:23:40 pm
a budy of mine switched from german shepards to these, for the endurance.. but his german sheperd was on point!!
PLOTS. lol


Title: Re: Malinois CD
Post by: make-em-squeel on November 16, 2020, 04:10:55 pm
a budy of mine switched from german shepards to these, for the endurance.. but his german sheperd was on point!!
PLOTS. lol

They defiantly have more endurance than GSD's. Was he catching hogs with his GSD successfully? Similar breeds for similar uses but I would just keep my dogos or abs compared to a GSD


Title: Re: Malinois CD
Post by: Northstar on November 16, 2020, 05:50:14 pm
I hope they work out for you! I would ask why has no one in Europe done this? The reason I can come up with is they have been culled and tested for bite work on humans for few decades.

How do they handle hard work in high heat?


Title: Re: Malinois CD
Post by: make-em-squeel on November 16, 2020, 06:11:58 pm
I hope they work out for you! I would ask why has no one in Europe done this? The reason I can come up with is they have been culled and tested for bite work on humans for few decades.

How do they handle hard work in high heat?

Their heat tolerance, speed, and endurance just cant be matched by a GSD or any bulldog type breed. One reason is a 2nd undercoat making them more heat tolerant than a GSD. Ive owned one most of my life and would compare their heat tolerance/endurance to a cow dog like a BMC or Catahoula.  My last female would pace a 2 acre fence line ALL day in the middle of summer, my males are a bit lazier by personality but could if they wanted to.


Title: Re: Malinois CD
Post by: Northstar on November 16, 2020, 11:14:16 pm
That is great to hear we imported a few dozen in the early 2003-2006ish. From Europe speed and intensity was desirable but not close to the level of a Gamebred apbt as far as endurance and the humidity would cut work sessions down. Seemed to me that it was all go and no pace to them. Once it was on there was no pacing to them. You can’t compare them to a GSD has to be to a APBT.

Keep us up to date. 


Title: Re: Malinois CD
Post by: Fixitlouie on November 22, 2020, 10:32:26 pm
yes his dog was the real deal. payed 30k from Sacramento SWAT to get it and then payed about 15k a year to mantain his training... never seen anything like it before or since.. could hunt, bark, catch,  bite,stop,  all on command..


Title: Re: Malinois CD
Post by: Rough curs on November 22, 2020, 11:00:42 pm
Put em in the box with a game breed dog,that tell you right away. Nothing is gonna stay hooked like a bulldog cut down or healthy.  I see no comparison...just my thoughts.


Title: Re: Malinois CD
Post by: make-em-squeel on November 25, 2020, 12:59:18 pm
Put em in the box with a game breed dog,that tell you right away. Nothing is gonna stay hooked like a bulldog cut down or healthy.  I see no comparison...just my thoughts.

do you have any experience with mals or dutches? I know a real pit will never let go but that doesnt mean there are not other breeds that catch right, ie my scott bred ab's or ppc dogos. I honestly dont know bc Im the first one I know using one of these on hogs. so far so good in a pen and the woods, hopefully a few more over thanksgiving to update.  The military friends I have say pain wont make them let go of people


Title: Re: Malinois CD
Post by: make-em-squeel on November 25, 2020, 01:03:31 pm
plus a dog fight to the death or cur out is a different world vs catching a hog and not letting go. I will put my dogos etc against any hog in any terrain vs any pit and they will be as good or better but imo a 40lb pit in a pit fight would kill them most the time


Title: Re: Malinois CD
Post by: Cajun on November 25, 2020, 09:44:51 pm
I dont know the percentages but just to throw a figure out there, probably 90% of the pits used on hogs are not game to the death in a pit. I for one dont need a dog that hot and even tho I have had a couple of pits killed on a hog, that just makes them game enough to hang on to a hog until you get there.  Whole different story where you are rolling dogs from 1/2 hour on up. That is where true gameness shows up.  There are quite a few breeds of dogs that make good catch dogs for hog hunting.


Title: Re: Malinois CD
Post by: WayOutWest on November 25, 2020, 11:31:20 pm
Totally agree with you Cajun, I got my first APBT in 79 and have been immersed in them since . It is my opinion that making a truly gamebred pitbull a catchdog is a crapshoot. So many of them are gonna be too excitable and or too dog aggressive to make a good catchdog and too many are too small. Now if you start with a good one and selectively breed for the good catchdog traits like some of the guys are doing you will get there. There is a good chance that some of these Malinois can make a hand as a lot of breeds have made catch dogs that are no where near as athletic and intense as this breed.


Title: Re: Malinois CD
Post by: t-dog on November 26, 2020, 08:26:07 am
I totally agree with you Cajun and Joel. There isn’t a breed out there that is 100% stay when faced with adversity. I have seen several pits quit in the heat of the moment for anything from getting a tooth knocked out, getting cut, to just getting their butt kicked. We recently caught a really rank boar that had about 2 1/2- 3” teeth. He was about 180-190 pounds and bad. He had already wrecked another fellas bay dog in there. Sent the catch dogs into a ridiculous briar thicket, literally curtains of briars. One hit but was tangled and a hell of a fight took place. The hog broke and that was his mistake. He made the jewels available for the bay dogs. The other guys bulldog ( all pit) got there and took a thrashing and decided he would help bay. The other bulldog (lab/pit) got there, he was the one that was tangled up, and went in and caught it. He was cut all to hell in front of the vest where the jaw meets the throat. I’m sure this happened because he was reaching for the hog when he was tangled up. By the time we got the dogs off the hog and the hog dead so was the pit/lab.  This is just an example to show that catch dog game is a case by case basis in my opinion. The true game bred dogs are more likely to be more consistent in catch dog game ness but as we all know, catch dog game is only one of many traits needed to be a good catch dog. Game don’t mean didly if they can’t catch a paper sack or make more trouble than you can fix.


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Title: Re: Malinois CD
Post by: Rough curs on November 27, 2020, 02:06:21 am
I'm just referring to the question he asked about staying with the hog after being cut. Alot of the these law enforcement dogs quit pretty quick when they take a beating on the street. As far as staying  eared up I'd go with the bulldog. Jmo...


Title: Re: Malinois CD
Post by: Rough curs on November 27, 2020, 02:09:52 am
Make em sqeel... the only experience I've had was running from them...lol . But seriously no ,other than my sheriff buddies and they say the same....once they take a beating they usually get soft. But hell its worth a  try.


Title: Re: Malinois CD
Post by: HuntingHeritage on November 27, 2020, 08:23:17 am
 Nemo wasn't a Malinois but this speaks to the "gameness" of herding breeds...

 

Waiting until the cover of darkness, in the suffocating heat of Vietnam, Air Force airman Bob Throneburg started out on patrol with his war dog, Nemo. It was Dec. 4, 1966. Sixty Viet Cong had infiltrated Saigon’s Tan Son Nhut Air Base the night before with a brutal mortar attack, and enemy stragglers remained hidden.

Nemo’s charge was to find them. He was trained to be a killer.

On Veterans Day, Nov. 11, he is celebrated as one of the most heroic of the U.S. K9 Corps, which formed in 1942 and deployed more than 4,000 dogs during the Vietnam War.

That night in Vietnam, the German shepherd’s ears shot up. His body stiffened, hackles raised, tail rigid. He sensed the intruder before Throneburg saw him. The guerrilla tried to flee, but Throneburg fired his M16.

It was the first time in combat for Throneburg, 22, from Albemarle, N.C., who had arrived in Vietnam five months earlier. He couldn’t stop to dwell on the deadly encounter. He and Nemo, alongside another soldier and his dog, continued on their mission.

“The last thing I remember, it was 3 a.m. and I was hiding behind a bulldozer,” Throneburg said.

For a second time, Nemo’s ears shot up, alerting Throneburg to an intruder.

Throneburg turned Nemo loose.

The Viet Cong fired several shots from his AK-47. Throneburg took a hit in his left shoulder, knocking him to the ground. Nemo took one on his nose and lost his right eye. Nemo continued fighting, giving Throneburg time to call for backup.

The other U.S. soldier pulled Throneburg to safety.

“Then I started fading away,” Throneburg said. “Nemo came back and crawled on top of me.”

And there Nemo lay, guarding his handler the way he was taught, refusing to budge. “On a good day, he was just a normal laid-back sentry dog, easygoing,” Throneburg said. But when you got him mad, “he was about as mean as a brokeback snake.”

It took a former handler to finally pry Nemo off.

In a 1967 article in Air Force News, the base veterinarian was quoted as saying: “He was in pretty bad shape. I had to do skin grafts on his face and perform a tracheotomy to help him breathe. His right eye had to be removed, but even this didn't lessen his ability. It only made his other senses – hearing and smell – more sensitive.”

Nemo and nuclear worker Bob Throneburg
Nemo. Bob Throneburg today.
Throneburg and Nemo were reunited one last time at the base hospital. In a photo taken that day, Nemo leans in toward a smiling Throneburg as the handler scratches his companion’s neck. They never saw each other again.

Throneburg was airlifted to a hospital in Japan and underwent five surgeries over seven months to repair his shoulder. “It hurts every day of my life,” he said. “Every day. It never goes away. It always hurts. I’m starting to lose quite a bit of mobility.”

Nemo recuperated at Tan Son Nhut before retiring from active duty. He became the face of the K9 Corps, used to help recruit thousands of dogs into the service. He died in 1972 at Lackland Air Force Base in San Antonio, where his kennel stands as a memorial.

Throneburg received two Purple Hearts and the Bronze Star medal. Back in North Carolina, he earned a degree in architectural drafting and took a job in 1976 in the drafting department at McGuire Nuclear Station. He retired from Duke Energy in 1999 but returned in 2001 and works as a contractor in the planning department at the Catawba Nuclear Station in South Carolina. He is 73.

https://nuclear.duke-energy.com/2017/11/07/a-soldier-and-the-dog-that-saved-his-life



Title: Re: Malinois CD
Post by: make-em-squeel on December 07, 2020, 01:54:51 pm
Got him on a big fat sow this weekend. He was the only CD and was caught about 7 or 8 minutes, I had to pry him off the ear a few minutes after the hog had bled out. He was locked on solid again, this sow was working him pretty hard as I was watching his catching style for a few minutes before legging it. He is defiantly a "clean" holder or as Ive come to understand the different types of holding that is what I call it, meaning as the hog would position him against trees etc he would move his body out of the way but not let go of the ear, that said he was fighting the hog more than I like trying to rip its ear off, but that was mostly after I stuck it and it was lying down. But so far so good in this experiment Im doing. There bone structure is so much lighter than a bulldogs Im still curious how they will hold up long term.. but seems to have no issues with lugging up on an ear. His speed did come in handy as I cut him from about 30 yds and it broke as soon as I did and he had it stopped in less than 100 yds.


Title: Re: Malinois CD
Post by: Austesus on December 07, 2020, 03:36:54 pm
Please keep giving the updates, this something that has interested me in several years. I had some brief messages with a guy that hog hunts, as well as trains k9’s for various SOF units. He said he has seen a few Mals make good strike dogs


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Title: Re: Malinois CD
Post by: make-em-squeel on December 08, 2020, 12:50:59 pm
Please keep giving the updates, this something that has interested me in several years. I had some brief messages with a guy that hog hunts, as well as trains k9’s for various SOF units. He said he has seen a few Mals make good strike dogs


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will do, im liking what Im seeing so far, and am hoping to keep straight mal/dutch sh.'s as a cd but im convinced it would still be a better cross (if needed) than any other type of dog ( for catching ) to a bulldog type breed bc you dont loose the bite instincts while adding the endurance of a cur type. I know for a fact you can get these dogs striking, they use their nose allot but, have not personally considered letting one hunt bc Id assume they would be caught to far off instead of bayed, in general but idk...so far the one im hunting now and the 2 ive owned in the past as pets (never hunted them but used them in a pen/trap a few times) Ive never seen one bay, straight catch in he 3 ive owned.


Title: Re: Malinois CD
Post by: Northstar on December 08, 2020, 11:51:02 pm
You don’t think you could give a command to do a hold And bark?

What do you mean the bite? You don’t mean the bite harder then a bulldog or pitbull do you?


Title: Re: Malinois CD
Post by: Austesus on December 09, 2020, 01:30:45 pm
That guy I’m talking about said that the ones he hunted started getting rangy because once they figured out they were there for pigs their drive pushed them to hunt harder. This guy is also working dogs that are coming from overseas and are a completely different caliber of dog than what most of us would see here in the states. Special operations imports most if not all of their dogs from overseas. I would like to see one crossed with a really nice pit, and then an offspring crossed to a cur.


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Title: Re: Malinois CD
Post by: make-em-squeel on December 10, 2020, 09:32:18 am
That guy I’m talking about said that the ones he hunted started getting rangy because once they figured out they were there for pigs their drive pushed them to hunt harder. This guy is also working dogs that are coming from overseas and are a completely different caliber of dog than what most of us would see here in the states. Special operations imports most if not all of their dogs from overseas. I would like to see one crossed with a really nice pit, and then an offspring crossed to a cur.


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I would say the ones I have would defiantly hunt if allowed, I just wont let them for the same reason I keep any cd on a lead to the bay bc I dont want them caught with me 30 minutes away. The caliber of my mals are not like his but still the breed likes to bite and use its nose from the ones Ive seen.


Title: Re: Malinois CD
Post by: make-em-squeel on December 10, 2020, 09:39:37 am
You don’t think you could give a command to do a hold And bark?

What do you mean the bite? You don’t mean the bite harder then a bulldog or pitbull do you?

Im sure someone who works with them all the time could they are real smart, but someone like me who is just avg hunter probably not, when mine hear a bay they get stupid excited like any cd

No I dont think anything can bite harder than a bulldog breed including these shepherds, imo they can hold almost as hard though with much more endurance and speed though. Not sure what your referencing but I think I just meant these dogs are bred to catch humans or do bite work so its a natural instinct to them just like pits catch, birddogs point etc. They often are referred to as maligators for good reason, if you ever are around them even while they are being sweet playing etc they bite your arm chomp there teeth love to tug etc



Title: Re: Malinois CD
Post by: Northstar on December 10, 2020, 11:26:16 pm
I have been around them a little bit. I was asking what you meant by it.

I am glad to hear you are happy so far. The only person a dog has to satisfy is the one buying the feed.


Title: Re: Malinois CD
Post by: make-em-squeel on December 27, 2020, 02:15:34 pm
Quick update: Caught 3 with him, 1 nice boar, 1 nice sow and an 80 lb shoat. He gutted the shoat. UNFORTUNANTLY for my experiment of using a pointy eared catch dog I didnt love what I  saw bc he was caught on the leg. 1st 2 he was on the ear, the last 2 he was on back leg.(only caught 4 hogs so far not counting shoats)

In his defense and why im going to try a few more times to see how it plays out is I sent him in from 100 and 200 yds out in real thick briars to settle the bay, the curs were walk jog baying and we couldnt get within 50 yds bc of the pigs not baying up solid/ constantly walking (very dogged, thick area) He defiantly put the breaks on them and after walking for hours to the bay from one side of the 4 acre pond to the other I was glad to end the race and drink a beer on the 2 200lbers. All that said I have had some straight ear bulldogs in the past that when used to stop a runner instead of sending them into a bay that would catch on the leg or other odd spots but be on the ear like usual when it was used like normal for me of being sent to a solid still bay.


Title: Re: Malinois CD
Post by: t-dog on December 28, 2020, 06:53:58 am
Did you try to groom him at all the 2 times he was on the leg?


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Title: Re: Malinois CD
Post by: make-em-squeel on December 28, 2020, 12:36:49 pm
Did you try to groom him at all the 2 times he was on the leg?


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No but I should have, it was so thick, I was worn out from belly crawling through the briars & crap, all 4 of the curs were on head kind of a cluster f.  I just stuck it


Title: Re: Malinois CD
Post by: t-dog on December 28, 2020, 12:55:00 pm
I understand that. We’ve probably all had that sentiment before. Another thing is, if there were 4 cur dogs on the head and depending on which way the hog was facing etc., he may not have been able to get on the ear in that kind of thicket.


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Title: Re: Malinois CD
Post by: make-em-squeel on December 28, 2020, 01:03:17 pm
I understand that. We’ve probably all had that sentiment before. Another thing is, if there were 4 cur dogs on the head and depending on which way the hog was facing etc., he may not have been able to get on the ear in that kind of thicket.


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Thats defiantly what I was thinking, I barely had room to stick it. I bet and hope he gets back on the ear, time will tell. He defiantly stopped them though, even though they were bayed solid the hogs were moving faster than we could walk through the thickets, we couldnt get within 50 yds until I sent him in. I didnt want to cut him from farther than that bc of how slow it was getting through it but sometimes you got to say F it and cut em  ;D Worked out good enough this time...


Title: Re: Malinois CD
Post by: make-em-squeel on December 28, 2020, 01:49:26 pm
I expect a cd to knock a bay dog off the pigs ear, but the ears were defiantly swallowed up


Title: Re: Malinois CD
Post by: t-dog on December 28, 2020, 03:07:06 pm
Lol good deal


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Title: Re: Malinois CD
Post by: Austesus on December 29, 2020, 09:54:00 am
I wouldn’t get discouraged yet. Every one of my dogs will catch on the ear if they have the opportunity, but if the ears are taken they’ll grab what they can. If it seems to be a persisting problem you can work with him on targeting the same way a k9 handler would train him to target certain areas of the human body. As smart as those dogs typically are, I would think that would prove to be fairly easy.


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Title: Re: Malinois CD
Post by: make-em-squeel on January 02, 2021, 07:06:27 pm
Update # 5 hog. Got him on a good rank 150ish lb boar today with a nice set of all 4 dog cutters. 3 loose bay dogs, not mine, but different than mine they didnt help catch at all. He was on the ear like pit, solid, the more the boar slammed him in the tree or the briars the harder he held the ear. Love what I saw today  :( ;D popo


Title: Re: Malinois CD
Post by: make-em-squeel on January 02, 2021, 07:13:56 pm
Had to rip him off the ear after the pig died, solid catch. How he approached the ear and wanted it today, Im pretty sure the last 2 he caught on the leg was bc it was so thick, curs had the ears, and I sent him into runners. He was all ear today though despite the thicket he was in. Im happy 4 sure.


Title: Re: Malinois CD
Post by: t-dog on January 03, 2021, 02:33:54 pm
That’s good. Hope he keeps it up


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Title: Re: Malinois CD
Post by: Austesus on January 05, 2021, 10:26:21 am
That’s awesome buddy, post some pics of him!


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Title: Re: Malinois CD
Post by: make-em-squeel on January 17, 2021, 03:25:10 pm
malinois/dutch sh's #6, 150 lb boar, sent him in to a solid bay from 100 yds, open country in a creek on the side of awinter  wheat field. caught solid on the ear when we got there and stuck it. Nothing special but good to see.

Biggest complaint is he pulls on a leash more than I like but rides wheeler good and is a fast sob. Caught the boar at the end of the hunt after having his leash tied to the wheeler that he trotted beside most all of the hunt and still had plenty of gas to go.

Thought it was going to be a bigger boar bc 5 curs were baying that usually catch 150-200 lbers when all together and it wasnt squealing but he was lugged up on the ear none the less. So far Im liking my experiment and plan on getting another one instead of a dogo or scott bred ab. 1st time in 2 decades I wont have a bulldog lol. My buddies are defiantly making fun of me for having a pointy eared cd but I bet they end up with one before its all over  :D

one fyi is these sh's differ from German Sh's by having a 2nd undercoat making them much more heat tolerant,  IMO I could get the right pit,AB,Dogo in as good of shape or as fast as a GSD but these are different, there speed and endurance is like a cur or hound and cant be matched by a bulldog, but they catch like one from what im seeing, they are bred for bite work.


Title: Re: Malinois CD
Post by: WayOutWest on January 17, 2021, 03:44:22 pm
I am glad he's working for you but until you see if he can stand up after 100 or 300 hogs you can't judge how well it works. And until you know if he isn't one of a kind it's hard to know how they will do. The ab and pit have been bred to be able to take some punishment,  I hope for your sake the shepherds will too. Good luck with it and keep feeding him hogs.


Title: Re: Malinois CD
Post by: make-em-squeel on January 18, 2021, 01:45:34 pm
I am glad he's working for you but until you see if he can stand up after 100 or 300 hogs you can't judge how well it works. And until you know if he isn't one of a kind it's hard to know how they will do. The ab and pit have been bred to be able to take some punishment,  I hope for your sake the shepherds will too. Good luck with it and keep feeding him hogs.

I agree we need to see if their frame holds up over the long haul bc their bone structure is thinner than any bulldog. As athletic as they are I bet they do but defiantly on my watch list. IMO I dont think in any way mine is the exception to the rule regarding catching. This is my 4th one personally and all 4 of mine would catch and did, I just never let them outside of controlled situations bc they were my family pet. My other friend who has had 5 or 6 now had all but 1 of his catch, but same thing he only let them in controlled situations for fun bc he has good abs and his sh's are his inside pets. They are specifically bred for bite work ...


Title: Re: Malinois CD
Post by: make-em-squeel on February 20, 2021, 02:59:38 pm
Caught 3 more hogs with him this week in the Tx snow, power was out so made a hunt. On the ear hard had to be broke off 2 of the hogs after they were dead.
1 hog he was caught on the back leg bc the 2 other cds were on the ear 1st, I got to the bay late, it was already squealing but I cut him anyhow so I didnt have to lead him, when dogs bay his lead in calmly skills are not there lol. One of the 2 things with the 9 hogs hes caught that is different than avg. bulldogs, is if there is not an open ear he wont knock a dog off to get the ear he will just catch somewhere else, the other thing is he has not caught shoats he guts/kills them.  If there is an ear open hes on it like clock work, caught hard no regripping.
He has not broke a bay yet he didnt shut down within a short race and holds real clean keeping his body out of bad spots when possible, the meaner the hog the harder he gets, liking what I see so far, the speed and endurance is a very noticeable strength.

On the way to our curs baying (we were still 900 yds away) a pig ran out of the woods saw our atvs and ran back in the tree line, since we had him and 2 other finished cds and curiosity got to me I cut him loose where the pig ran out, he ran in the woods nose down and caught it about 60 yds from where we cut him, no bark straight ear sent my finished dogo to him bc it was grunting and not squealing, stuck it and almost threw my back out trying to rip them off the ears.



Title: Re: Malinois CD
Post by: t-dog on February 20, 2021, 05:40:02 pm
Sounds like a nice dog. Sounds like he’s getting it figured out pretty quick.


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Title: Re: Malinois CD
Post by: WayOutWest on February 20, 2021, 06:43:44 pm
Sounds like he is doing what he should. But it sounds like you need a parting stick.


Title: Re: Malinois CD
Post by: Austesus on February 20, 2021, 06:55:26 pm
Sounds like he’s making a hog dog! That’s awesome man, looking forward to hearing more updates on his progress


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Title: Re: Malinois CD
Post by: make-em-squeel on March 09, 2021, 01:05:46 pm
I will quit updating this thread until my next malinois (future pup) is starting and how it progresses, or if something that matters happens. Caught 4 more good hogs with him last weekend, on the ear breaking off with a break stick after hog dies. Hes a solid cd. Due to their speed and endurance Im officially out of bulldogs or dogos for the first time in 20 yrs, going to get another one and see how it goes.


Title: Re: Malinois CD
Post by: t-dog on March 09, 2021, 07:52:51 pm
I’m glad he’s working out for you. Sounds like the proof is in the puddin. Good luck


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Title: Re: Malinois CD
Post by: make-em-squeel on March 29, 2021, 04:20:15 pm
Something unique happened worth commenting on. Caught 4 more with him since last post, The last 3 were good sized sows, normal situation, sent to bay from 60 yds caught ear solid. But a few weekends ago sent him to a bay on a small hog, bigger than a shoat but little, the bay broke when I cut him, went 900 yds and took us a while to get to it, pretty hot out and when we got there he was bayed solid, at first I was pissed. But after he caught solid after that on the ear Im glad he was smart enough to not die of a heat stroke


Title: Re: Malinois CD
Post by: Shotgun66 on March 30, 2021, 07:29:16 pm
I appreciate this post. Most people don’t share the challenges or shortcomings of their dogs. It took courage and honesty for you to do it.
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I hunt stag/bulldog crosses as catch dogs. I catch more pigs with them due to their speed and athleticism. I’ll be the first to admit that they will make an occasional bad move when they are young. As they mature, they will be straight catch. I describe them as bulldogs lite! I run them
In pairs to be safe.
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Ain’t nothing wrong with your dog. My personal opinion is that you are asking a lot of any dog to catch solo consistently.
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Best of luck with him!


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Title: Re: Malinois CD
Post by: The Old Man on March 30, 2021, 10:12:55 pm
That is catching like a really rough smart Curdog, I've known of a number of them that would catch at first contact, if the cavalry didn't arrive and the hog would stand they'd back up and bark until they heard or saw the boss coming and catch again.

Doc, I still favor Ol'Grip for the way I use one haha, we don't get many chances to catch one that isn't bayed. He did run one down that was loose and catch it "the one I had said he caught by the hind leg" and a few hunts ago he did miss a big sow that he had to come head to head with and got slapped but he ran it down and caught it within 50 yards, and  he got out ran on some he had winded but did not see, other than that he has batted 1000 this year and will be 2 yrs old in a few days, just barely got to start him last year due to back trouble I'd had. The first bay I used him on in Louisana he was slow to go , it was a single dog bayed and I had been schooling on him about staying with me.  He likes his job, this morning I loaded some dogs and left "wasn't going hog hunting" and my wife said he whined and howled for an hour until she went out and scolded him, he was heart broken that he couldn't go haha.


Title: Re: Malinois CD
Post by: cajunl on March 31, 2021, 06:38:04 am
That is the way I like my curdogs like the old man said. You can catch a lot of hogs with a dog like that.
I use female catchdogs and when they are in heat, I can take my curdogs, vest them, and lead them in as catchdogs and they take right to it if needed. You can catch a lot of hogs with that dog.

I have mine tone broke now and over 100yds after a broken bay she comes back. Thats when bad things happen to catch dogs. She will be 10 in July.

I got a yellow bmc from texas and he has a very "looser" baying style. He is starting to bay hogs on his own and not very rough.  It has been a learning experience for the bulldog.


Title: Re: Malinois CD
Post by: make-em-squeel on April 12, 2021, 04:17:42 pm
I caught 3 more decent hogs with him Saturday.  Caught on ear solid no regripping no baying etc. 2 of the bays took me a longer while than I like to get to him but was no issue with him letting go etc.


Title: Re: Malinois CD
Post by: make-em-squeel on April 12, 2021, 04:19:33 pm
Im ready to get another one from my buddy and see how it starts, have  2 other friends getting one as well to add into this experiment Ill update on once we start them...


Title: Re: Malinois CD
Post by: chestonmcdowell on April 12, 2021, 09:55:08 pm
You got me wanting one. My 8 month old English pointer thinks he’s a catch dog. Took a whooping and still held ear. He’s more over the top than the pointer cur crosses I have. I need to get him some backup before he and my bay dogs get cut down. They seem to be very very lightly built


Title: Re: Malinois CD
Post by: make-em-squeel on August 31, 2021, 12:47:37 pm
After taking most of summer off made a run Sunday am. He picked up where he left off, we caught a rank, big a$$ boar with all the ivory (broke one off in the tussle) and a nice eating sow. Caught solid on the ear didnt let go until the hogs were blead out, and that boar gave him or any cd ive seen all he could handle.

The female Im breeding him to should be in heat this month/soon if anyone is interested in pups, there full blooded malinois but not papered, there is no GSD etc. in them, out of working cop, military and bite working lines. Getting the papers on him and this bitch was not worth the extra $500 per dog, especially since Im using them for catching and dont sell pups for profit, only doing this breeding bc im going to raise a pup. 

If anyone will post some pics on this thread pm me your cell so I can text you some proof of these stories lol to post on this thread.  Or if not how do I post pics on here from my phone?


Title: Re: Malinois CD
Post by: t-dog on August 31, 2021, 01:42:48 pm
Has the female seen any hogs?


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Title: Re: Malinois CD
Post by: make-em-squeel on August 31, 2021, 01:50:27 pm
She has caught solid in a pen on big sows with no tusks, no woods. My buddy who owns her wont risk it, its his house dog/guardian. Shes a game bitch though, Im going to raise a female to see if she will catch as solid as my male


Title: Re: Malinois CD
Post by: t-dog on August 31, 2021, 02:02:42 pm
I understand that. Good luck with them.


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Title: Re: Malinois CD
Post by: t-dog on August 31, 2021, 03:04:08 pm
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Title: Re: Malinois CD
Post by: make-em-squeel on August 31, 2021, 05:37:49 pm
Thank you for posting sir!


Title: Re: Malinois CD
Post by: t-dog on August 31, 2021, 05:55:47 pm
Not a problem you’re welcome


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Title: Re: Malinois CD
Post by: t-dog on October 20, 2021, 03:53:52 pm
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Title: Re: Malinois CD
Post by: make-em-squeel on October 20, 2021, 04:48:22 pm
Had a decent hunt, curs could not quite settle the bay down and he was the only cd so I didnt want to cut him loose from far out since we didnt have anything to send to him for back up but against my better judgement we sent him to where the curs would bay for a second then stop etc from 300 yds. about 5 min later we heard a sqeel, about 10 seconds after that the curs bayed solid and this nice 15 yr old young man next to me killed his first hog! He is catching solid for me and his frame is holding up nice, straight ear, and seems to be very hard


Title: Re: Malinois CD
Post by: t-dog on October 20, 2021, 05:36:04 pm
You had plenty of good help it looks like. Glad the ole Mal is working well.


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Title: Re: Malinois CD
Post by: The Old Man on October 21, 2021, 07:37:18 am
Good job Doc, I'm rootin for the great big fella on the far right, with the blue topped boots on.


Title: Re: Malinois CD
Post by: Cajun on October 21, 2021, 11:37:50 am
Looks like smiles on everybody. Good hunt and sure sounds like your dog is making the grade as a catchdog. I know those Mal's are some of the most athletic dogs out there.


Title: Re: Malinois CD
Post by: make-em-squeel on October 25, 2021, 02:19:14 pm
Thanks guys. Yes Im impressed with this experiment, got a breeding to him soon Im going to raise a female out of and see if she will catch.


Title: Re: Malinois CD
Post by: Wicked1 on December 07, 2021, 11:07:31 am
Just read through the whole thread. Awesome experiment and I'm glad he's working out for you. Definitely going to try to keep up with this experiment you're conducting and see how it works out with his offspring. I've actually been curious about Malinios being used as catch dogs in the past. I've owned Gamebred APBT for many years though and saw no reason from deviating from them unless I was looking for malleability that the shepherds reign supreme in. That said it does sound like your Malinios' speed is weaponized


Title: Re: Malinois CD
Post by: make-em-squeel on December 07, 2021, 04:34:05 pm
Thanks, the speed and endurance is great. Waiting for this gyp to come in heat to breed. The one gyp we were going to breed above got hit by a car running deer but hes got another good one were waiting on.

Ive got a 5 mo old male im going to be playing with some this winter ill update on as well.  Controlled situation only bc he is obedience, potty trained, and already very territorial of his house and family. But I want to see if he is straight catch.

I caught 4 more with him this past Sunday, our only cd and he did solid again, im liking the breed and dont think im going to outcross. The only major difference ive noted so far vs your typical cd is he wont catch and hold a shoat he kills them, and a small hog the curs have caught he wont knock a cur off the ear and hold on like he will on a big hog the curs have caught. Defiantly the bigger the challenge the harder he is, no re-grip or anything like that.

Another appeal to me is compared to all the guys mixing up hairy dogs/sight hound breeds I think mal/dutches offer a big advantage vs hairy's bc they dont start late, all the speed endurance one could ask for and all 4 ive owned and my buddies other 3 or 4 would all hunt hard with the curs or solo if we let them, lots of nose and prey drive. He has struck 2 of his own so far but it makes me nervous since he catches so I try and use him like a lead in.


Title: Re: Malinois CD
Post by: make-em-squeel on December 09, 2021, 04:31:17 pm
Sunday funday (https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20211209/5f551813d5aa5a0d63c187cd7c83d0e3.jpg)

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Title: Re: Malinois CD
Post by: make-em-squeel on December 09, 2021, 04:33:14 pm
The new 5 mo old I plan on starting soon as we tie a sow(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20211209/751ab9598feb88f75f8242dbff1ec9a6.jpg)(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20211209/85b43890201ac401f2b133a237b52316.jpg)

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Title: Re: Malinois CD
Post by: t-dog on December 09, 2021, 06:08:59 pm
Lol good pics


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Title: Re: Malinois CD
Post by: make-em-squeel on December 19, 2021, 05:05:28 pm
Caught 2 with him today, other was about the same size(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20211219/ece727fcea31067546a344d07ab43312.jpg)(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20211219/a63f686e9ea209cfca2c2528beef80d7.jpg)

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Title: Re: Malinois CD
Post by: t-dog on December 19, 2021, 06:17:19 pm
He’s starting to get a few hogs under his belt. Enough that he should be devolving his style and a mark.


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Title: Re: Malinois CD
Post by: make-em-squeel on January 03, 2022, 10:24:23 am
Caught this nice lil boar with him in a dry creek in this 19* cold Sunday morning. (https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20220103/38db6992a4ed2b86d80a1eebf1c5fe7e.jpg)

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Title: Re: Malinois CD
Post by: The Old Man on January 04, 2022, 08:05:58 am
That sure is a hairy odd colored rascal.


Title: Re: Malinois CD
Post by: make-em-squeel on January 04, 2022, 12:56:37 pm
That sure is a hairy odd colored rascal.

Very hairy and covered in kulkerberry's (sp?) thorns. He was pretty rank for not being very big, usually the curs would catch one that size, we had 4 baying him... made for a fun hunt, if you get out in 19* feels like 2* weather you better have something to show for it lol


Title: Re: Malinois CD
Post by: make-em-squeel on January 08, 2022, 09:06:17 pm
Caught 2 nice boars this Saturday afternoon after work, got my 2 daughters and there friend on their first bays, girls had a blast, cuts hunted good and malinois caught solid on ear as expected. Home in time to watch the cowboy game to boot!(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20220109/2cd8efa8bbb3d7cfc8d16929d252d234.jpg)(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20220109/41ce46b65ce6b9fd2deafd2786c416e8.jpg)

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Title: Re: Malinois CD
Post by: t-dog on January 09, 2022, 07:23:41 am
With girls that pretty you probably need to teach that ole mal to start catching young fellas that come calling! I hate those type teeth on a hog. They seem to be the perfect size for dog wrecking.


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Title: Re: Malinois CD
Post by: make-em-squeel on January 09, 2022, 09:36:17 am
Lol if I could post videos I'd post one up of my other 6 mo old mal hitting a sleeve. My wife got me a bite sleeve for Christmas. I'm on cloud 9 that my 10 and 12 yr old want to hunt all the time now. 6 mo ago wanted nothing to do with hunting, now they want to go more than me. Praise God

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Title: Re: Malinois CD
Post by: t-dog on January 09, 2022, 10:22:27 am
Lol right on


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Title: Re: Malinois CD
Post by: make-em-squeel on January 24, 2022, 07:38:58 pm
Nothing to brag about but this little runner had his Nike's on. Cut him loose from 300 yds bc curs had hard time settling the bay. Had to belly crawl through the briars, tight spot, lots of thickets for the hogs to run, need to turn some goats and donkeys loose on this spot. After catching it since we had 2 other cds I let him hunt, and hunt he did. No other bays but he stayed out a few hours from 400 yds to a mile away running tracks with the curs.(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20220125/0807e86f1c97c7723a5aa7e5ac9503f5.jpg)

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Title: Re: Malinois CD
Post by: t-dog on January 25, 2022, 02:47:07 pm
It’s pork and he did good


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Title: Re: Malinois CD
Post by: make-em-squeel on February 13, 2022, 07:05:15 pm
Curs hunted great, mal did his job right, caught 2 big hogs.(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20220214/23654ff7dce292a7ff6a2deb2e28c820.jpg)(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20220214/d640fc48ac57e3613632569ed57e9fe8.jpg)

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Title: Re: Malinois CD
Post by: make-em-squeel on February 13, 2022, 07:07:13 pm
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Title: Re: Malinois CD
Post by: t-dog on February 13, 2022, 07:45:20 pm
Looks like he’s gonna make it. Glad to see it


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Title: Re: Malinois CD
Post by: make-em-squeel on February 14, 2022, 02:00:51 pm
Looks like he’s gonna make it. Glad to see it


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Yes 4 sure, but i want to know if its breed standard or if hes an exception. Those pics dont do justice they look like shoats lol but Id guess 220 to 240 lbs, took allot of meat off the sow, fun super bowl hunt.  Ive got a mal breeding done now, hopefully they make it and I get another one raised here soon.


Title: Re: Malinois CD
Post by: The Old Man on February 14, 2022, 06:58:40 pm
I'd bet those half Mal and half Cur puppies pictured the other day will be some "souped up" dudes, probably be old corn cobb rough to straight catch and wired for sound. What do you think Doc?


Title: Re: Malinois CD
Post by: make-em-squeel on February 15, 2022, 09:01:54 am
I'd bet those half Mal and half Cur puppies pictured the other day will be some "souped up" dudes, probably be old corn cobb rough to straight catch and wired for sound. What do you think Doc?

Obviously  I dont know bc its a 1st for me (accidental breeding), but I can say if I liked rough dogs id defiantly try a pair. I can say both parents are out of crazy working lines and have tons of prey/nose drive, and Id bet their hell on wheels. The mal will defiantly hunt with the curs when allowed too.  The mom is double bred off spivey's hawk, high % wb and even though shes not gritty that line generally is. She catches with the cd and catches out on little runners, but bays all day waiting for the cd on anything over 120 lbs and has never been cut bad despite striking 100's of pigs for me.


Title: Re: Malinois CD
Post by: make-em-squeel on February 15, 2022, 09:41:28 am
My mals dad from okc police line. These are not just skinny German shepherd's, their crazy. Take 3 minutes and YouTube the amazing malinois. Running up trees to catch and 2 story buildings. Dad below(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20220215/a13c4eeb72a33c13f9b5aa394956a600.jpg)

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Title: Re: Malinois CD
Post by: make-em-squeel on February 15, 2022, 11:23:59 am
The real story of the super bowl hunt was our 3 BMC's though, we didnt have ATV's it was hot and they made several 800 yd loops with no cigar came back tired after several 30 min loops. But then went 1.5 and bayed and it took us a good while to walk to them (needed atv)  stuck it and they rolled off again despite being worn out and bayed another one. Thankfully it was only 300 yds away and we put them on leads after that!


Title: Re: Malinois CD
Post by: Reuben on April 12, 2022, 11:48:34 am
A friend of mine was given a malinois shepherd pup a couple weeks ago… about 3 months now and the first time he saw a pig he was trying to eat his rear end out…he also went to catching and killing chickens…he got his butt tore up for messing with chickens…I was telling my friend to look at it from bright side…the pup is gamey…


Title: Re: Malinois CD
Post by: make-em-squeel on April 12, 2022, 03:54:12 pm
A friend of mine was given a malinois shepherd pup a couple weeks ago… about 3 months now and the first time he saw a pig he was trying to eat his rear end out…he also went to catching and killing chickens…he got his butt tore up for messing with chickens…I was telling my friend to look at it from bright side…the pup is gamey…

Ha, yea gamey is a good breed description. If he gets it on a hog let me know how it goes. My breeding didnt take so no pups on the way now, and my 8 mo old pet is to great of a guard dog to risk in the woods but as soon as I hobble something big enough and without teeth Im going to try him. He will catch a sleeve... My cd is a hunting fool when allowed, my 8 mo old never leaves my side off the lead other than to play with other dogs but I bet he will catch.


Title: Re: Malinois CD
Post by: Reuben on April 12, 2022, 04:52:27 pm
I will add some more on here when he starts the pup in the woods…


Title: Re: Malinois CD
Post by: make-em-squeel on August 01, 2022, 01:48:09 pm
Well my mal tore his acl ack leg jumping and has not used his back leg for 3 mo. now. Sucks but hasn't slowed him down any in the woods. If anyone with a female wants to breed let me know, the females I had access to are no longer available and I'd like to raise another to see if they catch as good as him. He held this little boar for close to 30 min until we got to him Sunday morning (https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20220801/af6b33203f1091549593f3e398ff9f22.jpg)(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20220801/955382119144a0e96e81a439f581a673.jpg)(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20220801/bc276fba05419e47dedb5152cec67724.jpg)

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Title: Re: Malinois CD
Post by: t-dog on August 01, 2022, 01:58:46 pm
Dang I hate that for y’all


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Title: Re: Malinois CD
Post by: The Old Man on August 01, 2022, 03:53:26 pm
Sure hate that for you Doc, I know he has done you a good job.                How did the half Mal/half BMC's do, if anyone has used them?


Title: Re: Malinois CD
Post by: make-em-squeel on August 02, 2022, 01:10:56 pm
Dang I hate that for y’all


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Yes sucks, ive had this breed my whole life and never had one injured, their hardy dogs, it didnt even happen hunting, just running around the yard, this drought has big cracks in my yard like 6-12 in deep he landed in one of them awkwardly and tore something but it was a back leg thankfully and he doesnt act hurt in any way and is still pretty dang fast


Title: Re: Malinois CD
Post by: make-em-squeel on August 02, 2022, 01:14:25 pm
Sure hate that for you Doc, I know he has done you a good job.                How did the half Mal/half BMC's do, if anyone has used them?

Yea I got to get another one coming up. No hunters took the half breeds, all went to pet owners the 2 I stayed in touch with like them said there real smart and athletic but not hunters. Our BMC's from rodney spivey are doing good, the black pup coming up on a year now naturally cast hunts big 1/2 3/4 mi loops, rarely see him around your feet, really like what were seeing and the other 4 have finished out to make nice finished dogs coming on 2.5/3 now.


Title: Re: Malinois CD
Post by: desertdog1 on August 11, 2022, 11:00:41 am
https://www.facebook.com/reel/473975197825351?extid=chYV2B&fs=e

What a dog..


Title: Re: Malinois CD
Post by: make-em-squeel on August 11, 2022, 12:46:38 pm
https://www.facebook.com/reel/473975197825351?extid=chYV2B&fs=e

What a dog..

This is my 5th one to own and never once had an injury until now but that video shows a great example of how he tore a ligament in his back leg lol so does https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=orAGU04T0rc

He is still as fast as ever but cant jump as good, that said Ive caught 3 hogs with him since being 3 legged. I still need to breed him and get another one coming up...


Title: Re: Malinois CD
Post by: desertdog1 on August 11, 2022, 05:52:58 pm
I had an Airedale that supposidly tore his ACL...The vet specialized in ACL surgery and he  manipulated it, said it was torn and wanted to do surgery,  I took the dog to another vet who checked him and said to hold off a little while, in 3 weeks dog was  100% healed and never had any more  problems. I did some research and found that it's hard to diagnose accurately.  It might be a misdiagnosis and he might heal with a lttle rest....


Title: Re: Malinois CD
Post by: The Old Man on August 12, 2022, 08:53:34 am
With the jumping and landing from great heights in the videos, I would have suspected the achilles tendon through the hamstring to have been injured.


Title: Re: Malinois CD
Post by: The Old Man on August 12, 2022, 08:57:01 am
Is the black pup related to Tyson? I still have 2 of his brothers from the older litter but they are really showing their age and the last time I bred either of them was unsuccessful.


Title: Re: Malinois CD
Post by: make-em-squeel on August 16, 2022, 01:43:44 pm
Is the black pup related to Tyson? I still have 2 of his brothers from the older litter but they are really showing their age and the last time I bred either of them was unsuccessful.

Yes it is off tyson or tysons son to one of spiveys old yellow gyps, only had a 2 pup litter, the one were hunting is colored like a Doberman/rottweiler his sister looks like every other bmc. This pup has been to the woods 5 or 6 times and is absolutely rolling, until maybe in the last bay or 2 he didnt know what he was hunting for but we know that will work itself out, just glad you dont see him much in the woods.