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Title: Cast dog tips/tricks
Post by: williamsld on December 31, 2022, 02:43:59 pm
What’s everyone’s go to method on getting a young dog/s to go just point them a direction and roll out sign or not?
Got a nice young dog im gonna try to turn into a cast dog instead of my traditional road/track dogs I’ve always used
My old dog would cast but he was one of those naturals definitely didn’t have anything to do  with what I was doing and my gyp will she was hunted with him regularly (while she’s out hopefully bred) trying to get these other dogs going without a lead type dog any tips?


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Title: Re: Cast dog tips/tricks
Post by: t-dog on December 31, 2022, 03:44:04 pm
You already named one part of it, they have to have hunt in them. You can take it out of them but you can’t put it in them. If it was me I would bait some spots. Then start out by casting the dog(s) about 100 yards down wind of the spot. Depending on how quick they catch on as to how fast I would graduate them to harder and harder situations. Casting from further away, colder tracks, etc., until it really is just like a live hunt where they have to beat the brush until they get into sign and then they can go find a hog. In a sense they are almost hunting for sign as much as they are hunting for a hog because they know it leads to a hog. Putting them in a position where the wind is in their favor is also important. Some dogs hunt hard but are rarely in the right areas where other dogs hunt hard and are in the right areas. These are the dogs that find 90+% of your hogs on 90+% of your hunts. So there’s hunting dogs and dogs that know how to hunt. School your dogs in areas where hogs are going to be, around food sources, water sources, or known bedding areas. The dogs learn these things I promise you. We cast hunt 100% of the time. We pull up drop dogs and wait. They may bay 60 yards out of the box and they may bay .6 out of the box after they’ve made some pretty big loops. Myself, when I cast a young dog solo, I pay attention to when they leave me. If they don’t find anything, when they check back in, I’m going to be in very close proximity to where I was when they left me. This lets them feel secure in the fact that I’m not going to do anything without them or leave them. When they check back in then I might push them a little further and do it all again. I try to always do it the same way so that they learn my habits as well. I also don’t pay them any attention when they are around. I ignore them, we aren’t there for attention unless we find pork. If they want to hang around and not leave then I put them in the box. They don’t get to just hang out and wait on someone else to do it. All my dogs will leave together but within a couple hundred yards are going to be fanned out combing the woods. I like this as it leads to faster locating. It’s a good team effort while it’s competitive because they each want to be that one that finds the hog. Like I say though, they have to want to go on their own if they are going to make casting type dogs.


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Title: Re: Cast dog tips/tricks
Post by: williamsld on December 31, 2022, 04:44:01 pm
You already named one part of it, they have to have hunt in them. You can take it out of them but you can’t put it in them. If it was me I would bait some spots. Then start out by casting the dog(s) about 100 yards down wind of the spot. Depending on how quick they catch on as to how fast I would graduate them to harder and harder situations. Casting from further away, colder tracks, etc., until it really is just like a live hunt where they have to beat the brush until they get into sign and then they can go find a hog. In a sense they are almost hunting for sign as much as they are hunting for a hog because they know it leads to a hog. Putting them in a position where the wind is in their favor is also important. Some dogs hunt hard but are rarely in the right areas where other dogs hunt hard and are in the right areas. These are the dogs that find 90+% of your hogs on 90+% of your hunts. So there’s hunting dogs and dogs that know how to hunt. School your dogs in areas where hogs are going to be, around food sources, water sources, or known bedding areas. The dogs learn these things I promise you. We cast hunt 100% of the time. We pull up drop dogs and wait. They may bay 60 yards out of the box and they may bay .6 out of the box after they’ve made some pretty big loops. Myself, when I cast a young dog solo, I pay attention to when they leave me. If they don’t find anything, when they check back in, I’m going to be in very close proximity to where I was when they left me. This lets them feel secure in the fact that I’m not going to do anything without them or leave them. When they check back in then I might push them a little further and do it all again. I try to always do it the same way so that they learn my habits as well. I also don’t pay them any attention when they are around. I ignore them, we aren’t there for attention unless we find pork. If they want to hang around and not leave then I put them in the box. They don’t get to just hang out and wait on someone else to do it. All my dogs will leave together but within a couple hundred yards are going to be fanned out combing the woods. I like this as it leads to faster locating. It’s a good team effort while it’s competitive because they each want to be that one that finds the hog. Like I say though, they have to want to go on their own if they are going to make casting type dogs.


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Makes sense to me! Cast hunting is a new world to me we’ve been just roading dogs for the majority of my life only recently (past 3 years) been cast hunting got a handful of outcross dogs I’ve been messing with trying to make a cast dog and I’m thinking it’s time to scratch them and go back to the drawing board waiting on the next cross to hit the ground


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Title: Re: Cast dog tips/tricks
Post by: NLAhunter on December 31, 2022, 06:17:18 pm
Tdog pretty much said it if you want em to cast hunt em like that don't hunt em no other way it's easier for sure starting em with a dog that will cast but can be done if they got it in em without one go to spot cast em just sit there don't let em just hang around load em back up move cast em again I give em a few trips of this to kinda get things if they don't want to roll out after them few trips they kinda know what is going on I get me switch and switch em away from there just sit and wait don't pay em no attention if they check back in let roll back out or load em up go cast em again that's about the only way we hunt is casting mine will wind off the buggy and couple older dogs I will let in front of buggy some time but not often

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Title: Re: Cast dog tips/tricks
Post by: Reuben on January 01, 2023, 08:41:32 am
What’s already been said is a good way…
I will add a little to what’s been said…

Don’t cast from the road, right away or pipeline etc…instead find that good spot where you think there are hogs in the area or in lot’s of fresh hog sign…come in from the downwind side if at all possible…get in the the hog sign at the edge…cast dogs from that point and encourage the dogs to hunt if needed but give them their chance to cast out…if needed walk in the area to get them going…also if you can only come in from the upwind side go in as far as you can towards the downwind side…this way the dogs have a better chance to locate…

Make your first cast at the most probable place where a hog can be found…you want the dogs to be fresh and raring to go…from kennel to dog box and dog box to casting area…you want the dogs to be fresh out the box and wanting to go…

when roading, always pay attention to the dogs…anytime they get interested in an area wait on them to work until finishing or giving it up before moving on just as you would when casting…this encourages the dogs to work all tracks and not just the hot tracks, sometimes we need to get off the wheelers and help them out a little…it’s all about getting the best out of our dogs and the dogs will learn to give their best when doing it this way…

Some hunters don’t watch their dogs when roading and the dogs learn to only take the hotter tracks because it’s all about the master…


Title: Re: Cast dog tips/tricks
Post by: Slim9797 on January 01, 2023, 08:58:16 am
As above. You’ve got to be sending them to hogs and then work them to free casting. If you don’t have the hogs, and you don’t know pretty well where they are laid, you are behind the 8 ball in my opinion.


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Title: Re: Cast dog tips/tricks
Post by: Austesus on January 05, 2023, 03:09:43 pm
Some good info on this thread. I’m in the same boat, last year was the first year I’ve been able to start cast hunting. I’m starting scratch with some young pups again and don’t have anything to show them to cast. I have a few buddies with some young dogs that will roll out that will hopefully help


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Title: Re: Cast dog tips/tricks
Post by: ModisettH on January 06, 2023, 01:07:19 pm
As above. You’ve got to be sending them to hogs and then work them to free casting. If you don’t have the hogs, and you don’t know pretty well where they are laid, you are behind the 8 ball in my opinion.


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An that’s what we are lacking in the area. To many kids started killing everything they come across or they run for days.


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Title: Re: Cast dog tips/tricks
Post by: NLAhunter on January 06, 2023, 09:49:01 pm
Same problem over here everybody wants to get into and run a knife though everything the the dogs don't maul to death then wonder why ain't no hogs to catch I know in places they are a problem and need thinning down but no where I hunt or I have seen in a long time around here a bad problem for sure not in that timber company land ain't nothing there to hurt not many around trying to preserve what's here now some times I feel like I spend more time trying to keep hogs preserved as I do hunting

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Title: Re: Cast dog tips/tricks
Post by: t-dog on January 06, 2023, 10:17:59 pm
People are lazy! Getting there in a timely manner and getting dogs off isn’t important. It’s takes a little effort.


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Title: Re: Cast dog tips/tricks
Post by: Cajun on January 07, 2023, 05:33:36 am
  To me the best way to get cast dogs is to get dogs that are out of cast dogs. It is mostly genetic. While you can help some dogs to a certain degree like listed above I have never had much luck trying to get dogs to cast that do not want to cast, You can always put brakes on one but you cannot put a motor in one. I have had close hunting dogs that were super hog dogs but they would not cast but put them in hog sign or on a track and they would sure trail one up.


Title: Re: Cast dog tips/tricks
Post by: NLAhunter on January 07, 2023, 06:30:00 am
I believe it is mostly genetic to it's either in em or it ain't I believe some can be trained so to say or hunted with a cast dog and they learn it but lot easier if it is there from the start and if you got dog that will cast lot easier to get em going

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Title: Re: Cast dog tips/tricks
Post by: Reuben on January 07, 2023, 07:38:43 am
I don’t keep late starting pups and I don’t train pups to cast and hunt, it must be natural…but I hunt the dogs and pups in a way to bring out their best as often as I can…

Sometimes we are short on good dogs and then we must make exceptions…


Title: Re: Cast dog tips/tricks
Post by: NLAhunter on January 07, 2023, 10:59:48 am
I agree to Ruben I like natural starting dogs that start early I know different lines of dogs is different start different what do you consider early starter or late starter in your dogs Ruben? In these dogs I fool with they usually start at 8 or 9 months they doing something by 12 or 13 months old the ones that make it can usually be took to woods and get hog bayed I know different lines start little later and end up real good I like em showing me something early

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