Shane, I guess Mark should check in with you when we talk, so that you know what you're taking about when you reference my relationship with an owner of my dogs.  we both know what you said that night, and unfortunately due to whatever reason you chose or just plain forget it. The pup that you are talking about now is just about a year and a half, and has seen hogs 3 times. Once when I dropped her off at 10 weeks, where she showed no fear. And two other times. According to her owner she was uninterested both times and in heat this past weekend. I can't imagine he would lie about the dog, as he knows she can come back and be replaced. And putting a dog in the pen twice isn't hunting behind. When you put her in the field then you've hunted behind her.

Tcolt, again you talk about what you don't know. I won't even waste my time educating you, as your PM's to me clearly show me where you stand as a man and I don't care to be part of anything that you are.  When you say I am a dogo breeder, I have not claimed to be anything else. I wouldn't even have typed a word on this thread if you didn't go misinforming people about me.

NMartin, if you really think I am coming off too abrasive I suggest you reread the whole thread, and you will see why my tone is how it is. What I said, maybe I should have typed it differently, was: I have the number one Dogo in the country(show) and she is HUNTED. I have probably the only Dogo shown in the AKC that has ever been on hogs, and for that I am proud. I understand that you and most people here don't care what the dog looks like as long as they put meat on the table. But when you are a breed enthusiast, no matter the breed, you should care about the whole package. I could be like most breeders, and not care how the dog hunts. Or I could be like most hunters and not care how the dog looks. But I am neither. I care how the dog looks and care that it can perform the task it was created for. I don't hunt for the fun of it, and I don't hunt because I need to save crops. i hunt for the Dogo Argentino. Thats it. Nothing more, nothing less. And I will continue to be proud of my Dogos that can catch hogs and win shows.

I think its funny when people buy(or get for free) dogs from a show kennel. A kennel that can't hunt in their country, a kennel who has done so "great" for this breed that the dog gets banned from their country. And then say that its a proven hunting line. That is a joke.

I don't see anything funny about grown men bashing people they don't know, like a bunch of teenage girls at the prom. But if it makes you feel better about the dogs you have, then be my guest and talk as much trash as you need.

Shane, I don't quite get your attitude online. In person you had nothing but great thing to say to me about the only dogo of my breeding that you have hunted behind.

Marv, Tooting my own horn would be telling you that I am the breeder, owner, and handler of the #1 Dogo in the US(conformationally, figured SOME of you needed that spelled out). She took best female, and best Junior under one of the most influential breeders in the breed today. And she hunts. Is she the best hunter in the world? Don't know, don't care. She finds them and catches them, thats all that matters to me. I don't own a farm that needs crops protected. But what I do know, is I have been hunting in TX with a couple of you, and I saw a hog run right in front of the UTV and not one of the dogs running on the ground saw, smelled or heard it. DRY RUN. I have never been on a hunt with my dogos, that I have seen a hog and the dogs not find and catch it.

Oh and taking pictures everytime you hunt is as much of blowing your own horn as you can. Pictures are for showing off. When I am hunting, I am trying to get every dog home safe, and you don't need a camera for that.

Just because I also have the number one Dogo in the country doesn't mean they don't hunt too.

To each his own, but don't talk about what you don't know, and you don't know me or my #1 Dogo.

The number one Dogo at what? says who?

Yeah how does anyone know they have the #1 dogo in the country?

It was pretty obvious to me that he was stating he has the best Dogo in show/confomation, but that does not mean they are not hunted...   That's what I arrived at after reading his comment... I may be wrong, but I did pass third grade reading comprehension

Thanks for being able to undestand. I didn't think I was being cryptic.

Bottom line is: I hunt MY dogos, don't rely on others to do it. I don't rest my kennel on the backs of those I place dogs with.

The problem with all these tough guys on the internet is that they are so competitive that they even compete for the breeder of their dog. I don't need other people to get on the internet and whore my dogs. I keep my best dogs, I hunt them more often than most breeders, and I show them. Its sad that some feel the need to talk trash about people they don't know, just because someone other than their breeder was reccommended. I am going to appologize to them right now, for threatening your insecurities. When you breed a Dogo that you feel is better than a Dogo I bred, then you can talk trash, otherwise your just someones hype man.

 

You're welcome to see them on my website. As linked in the above post.

My website has and still continues to link the company I own. Which is boarding, training, and caring for dogs. So it will continue to say Long Island, NY. I have a home in both places.

Its good to know I dont really hunt my dogs. I should dig up the one I just lost and tell him he wasn't hunt, so why is his lazy ass still sleepin'.

Just because I also have the number one Dogo in the country doesn't mean they don't hunt too.

These NY orange groves and sugar cane really don't have any hogs in them.

Oh wait, I think I am in Florida. Maybe I should check with Taylor to see if its ok to be here.

To each his own, but don't talk about what you don't know, and you don't know me or my #1 Dogo.

I don't put to many dogs with people, unless I feel that they will do this breed and the dogs they own justice. As you see, there isn't a better place for Bucho to be.

Looks like you'll have your hands full that weekend. If you need a few extra, I would be glad to drive up the coast.

Looks like they were alive on the way out....does that mean you have some 'dog trainers' at the ranch? I have a couple youngsters I'd like to work. Plus I really like to see Bucho again.

How much to ship a Phuckamatic 9000 to FL?

I've heard people try to say "Dogo" and it come out "dingo".  Maybe the guy is one of those. Either way, I would say any dog is worth a try. Can't hurt.

War Pics by Black Sabbath

Sounds like a good hunt, for some reason I can't see the pictures on my new phone sometimes. Bucho's birthday is September 21st, right now he's still a youthful 3 technically.[]

I'm glad he is working out good for you! He is with the right people for sure. I'm biting at the bit to get back to FL.

It is essentially a pit crossed with a mastiff, so I am sure that there would be some in the litter that would physically fit the need, but they are crossed to have a more agile protection dog, so it may have man aggression.

Paul,

"la hysteria" frankly I would expect more than that from you,  especially after you called me out for a similar infraction last year.  This man has been nothing but respectful even when constantly being put under the microscope on the last few threads.

I can't believe that so many people have taken these discussions so personal....I mean its just a dog breed, its not like anyone is insulting someone's manhood.

Well.....I am a Dogo and Catahoula man, I am quite surprised I ever catch a hog haha

I have never hunted behind a BMC that I would feed.

I have never hunted behind a single pit that I would feed.

So what does that mean......absolutely nothing...., there are great dogs in every breed. But there is more variation with in a breed than between breeds. That means that the difference between a really good Dogo, AB, and APBT is not great, but there is from great to junk in each breed.

This thread went to crap with La Hysteria (a rookie with 20-30 hogs caught in his career) showing up and reading from the Dogo manifesto. Stuff like that does way more harm than good to this breed. Dogo's cost to much for most hunters, Dogo's aren't culled hard enough by most breeders.

Any one want to try a Dogo pup out of an Adora and D'Angelo pairing? Just saying a person needs to evaluate the family the Dogo is coming from and know that there are very solid dogs behind them. If you don't do that first then nothing else matters whether they are free or expensive.

I do what I talk about with my dogos! I qualify what I DO with MY dogos with what the creators of the breed wrote.

You said there are three places you'd get a dogo from, are they all hunting ALL OF their brood stock?

I don't disrespect you, I appreciate the same. Hunt behind one of my dogos, then you can say I don't know what Im doing or saying(though I bet you wouldn't have anything to say). Its unfortunate all these people have such doubt in the dogo. But its justified by breeders who settle for dogos that aren't dead game. Justified by breeders who don't care if their dogos HUNT.  
 Its funny how people will be stuck on certain lines when they aren't even out of hunted parents. But a few pups placed with people that know how to train dogs to hunt, and all of a sudden this line or that line is the best.

 I haven't had 40 litters and hunted a couple of dogos. I've had a handful of litters and hunted EVERY dogo in my kennel. The pups will be started in a few weeks.

What other dogo breeder even cares enough about the dogo to offer any info? I haven't seen any chime in!

Love that last pic Shane.  We were gonna have the dogs as our Wedding party, but my sisters and brothers were too jealous.

Here are mine....
Iceman

and here is his favorite spot to rest..

Iceman and Lita

Berrinche and Lita

Shane,

It was nice to have the opportunity to hunt with all your dogs both dogos and others, also to hunt behind my own blood was a great privledge. I am looking at different vest option right now. I was really liking the vest Paul has from L3 but his looks different from what they re offering now.

Paul,

is that chest plate from L3  a custom or did they just change designs?

Paul, you summed it all up in saying what hunters use the word fight for, unfotunately slang doesn't translate well through the internet.

Here is the websters definition and what I mean for "fight", and probably what the doctor who wrote the quote I used, and as for the doctor who translated the original work, I would be inclined to believe he chose the right wording. But I will look for the original and try to post it. I know Birgitte has lots of historical dogo 'stuff' maybe she can get us the untranslated quote.

Fight- to engage in battle or in single combat; attempt to defend oneself or to subdue, defeat or destroy an adversary.

So when you or I use fight as Websters does, you get the idea that the dogo doesn't have to tear a boar to pieces to catch and hold with one solid attempt and work from there to SUBDUE, DEFEAT OR DESTROY AN ADVERSSARY. Sounds very similar to the whole purpose of the dogo to find, catch, and if necessary kill their prey.

As I have said before, this may not be the best for every hunter, maybe none here. But I as a Dogo ENTHUSIAST, and one who hopes to PRESERVE the dogo in its ORIGINAL form, will always be striving for what the creators envisioned.

I too do not expect my dogos to regrip ever, especially once I am close. I expect them to get a good grip and try to bring the boar to its knees.

I have run out of answers for those who think a Dogo shouldn't want to fight its prey. So I called up Agustin Nores Martinez and asked him what he thought lol..........Here's are his words, translated by Marcelo Fernandez

"since the Dogo was essentially a big-game hunting dog, destined to fight with wild animals of much greater size"

But seriously that was written by him, in his book, " The True History of the Dogo Argentino"

I appreciate the kind words guys. If/as you get to know me, you will be reassured of how I stand my ground. But I also try to absorb when it is necessary. As for many other dogo breeders, I have yet to see any of them put a REAL opinion in any thread about dogos. I actually spoke to a dogo breeder, one whose been breeding the for a very long time here in the U.S.(though he has had his kennel based in other countries, according to his website) he said he stays away from message boards because theres too much politics. But on the other hand, how can you educate and in turn learn, without sharing, and the web is the fastest widespread way to do it.
  I do have very specific goals with my dogos and the breed in general. And unfortunately if the dogo splits between a hunting dogo and a catch dogo, then there will be three different 'strains' of dogos, the show one too. I always enjoy talking dogo and will continue to, just making my thumbs tired typing on this phone.

Cantexduck:

I appreciate the clarification, but you got my .o2c anyway, lol.

I can search google there fore I am an expert. If that offends you then it was ment for you.




I 100% disagree with the pit statement. You must have not been around many of them.


  
Pen testing is like bay pen dogs to me. You cant judge by what you see in a pen if you are talking about hunting dogs.

Seems a little passive to me, might as well just call out who you are trying to.

I really don't have a clue who you are directing any of what you just posted but since I am in this thread, I will respond. If not then you should have been more specific.

1. None of my dogo, or hunting lessons come from google, or the internet for that matter. It comes from people with experience that I directly speak/hunt/work with.
2. I didn't have anything to say about pits and couldn't find where anyone else said anything negative about them.
3. I agree 100% about pen testing. I didn't pen test any of my dogs, until all sorts of people who claimed to have knowledge in this field, suggested I was going at hunting ass backwards.

Its interesting how some people comment on only the parts that they want to rip apart. As for the tusk length, it was just to give reference to age and the fact that they weren't cut off or broken. The point was that the boar was a fight and a dog killer, and thats how these dogos were tested.

The internet is a great tool, but unfortunately people use it to argue way too much. It sure is easy to be a jackass behind a keyboard. And if that offends you....

Paul: I agree about pen testing, thats primarily why I don't waste time and resources doing it. But the person was saying dogos aren't tested as hard as other breeds.

I am done. Internet arguements are so draining. I hate repeating myself over and over again. And it makes it even worse when there are people that are just sitting behind their computer instigating.  Anyone who has anything to ask me or say to me, my phone number is 631-680-7347 and my email is Lahistoriadogo@aol.com

Still looking forward to meeting up for a hunt in a few weeks Noah, I will let you know when I am back!