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1  HOG & DOGS / GENERAL DISCUSSION / Re: CLAUDE ARD!!!!!!! on: June 27, 2014, 03:27:42 pm
thanks for enlightening me, smartass. did you see the sticky thread that says go do it yourself?
2  HOG & DOGS / GENERAL DISCUSSION / Re: CLAUDE ARD!!!!!!! on: June 27, 2014, 02:21:14 pm
Could I humbly make a suggestion?

People keep saying don't buy from strangers . . and people keep getting taken for their money. I doubt it will change soon.

This is only directed at people who may buy a dog in the future. I would just say that if you read this thread and still feel like buying a dog from a stranger you meet in a parking lot . . .

TAKE A PICTURE OF THE MAN. TAKE A PICTURE OF THE MAN HOLDING THE DOG. TAKE A PICTURE OF HIS TRUCK AND THE LICENSE PLATE. ASK TO SEE HIS DRIVER'S LICENSE AND WRITE DOWN THE INFO. ASK FOR A PHOTO COPY OF HIS ELECTRIC BILL. SOMETHING. ANYTHING. GET HIM TO STIPULATE THE TERMS OF YOUR AGREEMENT AND THE DETAILS OF THE DOG IN QUESTION ON PAPER AND SIGN IT. ONCE YOU HAND HIM YOUR MONEY HE HAS A 100% CHANCE OF DRIVING OFF AND NEVER BEING SEEN AGAIN. BE PREPARED.

A two week trial means nothing legally. He could give you a nine year trial if he already has your money and doesn't plan on answering your calls anymore. Without a contract and a receipt . . the courts are powerless to do anything for you. If you go to the dog sales board on this site you will find a half dozen people who have been members of this site for less than a month and in that time have made zero posts in the discussion area but have already posted multiple dogs for sale. It is likely that 2 or 3 of these members are Claude Ard or some other crook. Buyer Beware!
3  HOG & DOGS / HOG DOGS / Re: hood dog? on: June 27, 2014, 10:14:15 am
sounds like you're halfway there. just keep doing what you're doing. as she starts to get better she'll figure out that all she has to do to be let down is bark . . at which point a lot of em start faking it. you either have to pay attention and know when she's telling the truth, or find a way to break her from it without breaking her from barking on the rig altogether.

depending on the size of the places you're hunting . . a good rig dog can sure make life better.
4  HOG & DOGS / HOG DOGS / Re: bayed up on: June 26, 2014, 10:07:07 pm
great learning opportunity for the pups. good luck with their continued education.
5  HOG & DOGS / DOGS ON HOGS / Re: Runner down on: June 22, 2014, 04:41:25 pm
nice hog! but cheer up buddy! the dog AND the boar look happier than you.  Cheesy
6  THE CLASSIFIEDS / CLASSIFIED ADS / Milk Replacer / Organic Powdered Milk for Pups & Nursing Gyps on: June 22, 2014, 01:58:34 pm
I use organic powdered milk to supplement pups and nursing gyps. The cost runs about 10 times more than livestock milk replacers but the differences are obvious. I got an insane deal on some recently by buying in bulk but it would take me years to use it all. If anyone is planning to raise pups and interested in some just shoot me a pm. It's in sealed, food grade, five gallon buckets. I'll be happy to part with about three buckets at $35 each. I believe that's cheaper than you can get replacer for at tractor supply. I'm located in Williamson County, northeast of Austin.
7  HOG & DOGS / GENERAL DISCUSSION / Re: Irish Wolfhound/English Coonhound mix on: June 21, 2014, 11:17:01 am
If you have the time and kennel space . . just go for it and hope for the best. Could be good or worthless. It's kind of like saying, "I met a girl and her grandparents are German and Scotch-Irish. Will she make a good wife?"
8  HOG & DOGS / GENERAL DISCUSSION / Re: Tragic loss on a hunt on: June 21, 2014, 11:13:38 am
That's terrible. I clicked on this thread thinking someone had lost a bulldog or something. I guess you never know what's coming. My condolences.
9  HOG & DOGS / HOG DOGS / Re: Blue Lacy on: June 18, 2014, 03:33:39 pm
Excerpt from the Cattleman, 1942



In particular . .

10  HOG & DOGS / GENERAL DISCUSSION / Re: foundation black mouth on: June 17, 2014, 09:41:58 pm
that makes sense. thanks.
11  HOG & DOGS / GENERAL DISCUSSION / Re: foundation black mouth on: June 17, 2014, 06:55:23 pm
I've got a question but don't have a facebook page. I don't have any issues with Mr Wright. But I've always wondered why he chose the word Foundation for the name of his registry. It seems to imply that his line is the backbone of the breed or type. I'm not trying to start anything so if someone else chimes in with something negative . . it has nothing to do with me. I just thought that since you seem to know him you might ask what his intention was or if I'm misreading the meaning. Or maybe you already know the answer. Hope that doesn't seem insulting. And thanks.
12  HOG & DOGS / GENERAL DISCUSSION / Re: Bolivian Jaguar Heelers on: June 17, 2014, 06:48:59 pm
It's been hard to get any info at all. My friend isn't a hunter or a dog man and the guy who has the dogs on his ranch is super wealthy so it's kind of like getting your insurance agent to call Mark Cuban on the phone to ask him a bunch of questions about what kind of car his grandpa drove. Nobody got time fa dat. Forget about finding out if the dogs are open on track, if they trail or wind, if they are catchy or just bay dogs . . etc. Wish I had the money for a vacation in Bolivia.

And just to be sure . . the crazy looking double nosed dogs aren't the ones I'm interested in. They just live in the same area. They are definitely outside my breed standard for conformation.
13  HOG & DOGS / HOG DOGS / Re: First litter, big litter, singing the "I don't want puppies" blues on: June 17, 2014, 06:39:02 pm
What is Mellman? Seen it mentioned several times but never knew what it was.
14  HOG & DOGS / GENERAL DISCUSSION / Re: Bolivian Jaguar Heelers on: June 16, 2014, 10:24:47 pm
they say they inherited the split nose from some Spanish bird dog that the conquistadors brought over. back then they thought the dog could smell twice as good cuz he had 2 noses, lol. sadly, that's a true story.

but even stranger . . me and bigo have been following this bolivian ranch dog thing for almost a year. we found the info on the split nosed tiger hounds online. and then . . a few days ago he found these advertised on craigslist as squirrel dogs for sale . . . I think they're some type of mountain cur . . if you're interested reuben.  Wink







15  HOG & DOGS / GENERAL DISCUSSION / Re: Bolivian Jaguar Heelers on: June 16, 2014, 06:51:17 pm
Peachcreek . .

this is Xingu, a double-nosed, Andean tiger Hound

16  HOG & DOGS / GENERAL DISCUSSION / Re: Bolivian Jaguar Heelers on: June 16, 2014, 06:36:36 pm
joshg223 . . . awesome! if that hunter's name is Siemel . . I bet that's the guy. Just a miscommunication from someone speaking Spanish to my friend . . to me. Not familiar with him but I'm gonna start looking. Thanks. And thanks for the message too. That dog on the left in the first pic kind of resembles the Bolivian dog. Makes me wonder. Of course in the later picture he's turned to Walkers. I guess in his old age he just wanted to hear a race and not actually catch the jaguars. HAHA

Cajun . . I know of some Plotts that were exported to I believe Argentina in the 1950s. I have some copies of old letters from Hack Smithdeal, back and forth with the rich guy who bought them for jaguar hunting. In one of the letters the guy asked about how to properly bathe a Plott, lol. Smithdeal replied that his "damn dogs get a bath when they swim a creek after a bear."
17  HOG & DOGS / GENERAL DISCUSSION / Bolivian Jaguar Heelers on: June 16, 2014, 04:23:45 pm
I have a friend on the east coast and for the last few years his company has had ongoing dealings with a wealthy South American businessman whose family used to control the National Bank of Bolivia. This family has maintained a vast estate in southwestern Bolivia for approximately 200 years. It comprises several hundred thousand acres.

Last year my friend and his employer were invited to the rancho or estate for several days. While there . . some of the resident employees, who are basically native Indians . . went on a hunt for a jaguar who was killing calves and lambs. My friend ended up not being present when the jaguar was caught and killed with the help of some of the ranch's dogs, but he was excited and called me later to tell me about it.

Of course I've been harassing him with questions and requests ever since. All of my info is second hand (at least) and there is also something of a language barrier. The family's primary concerns now are more in finance and petroleum so the businessman himself has never had any direct involvement with the dogs or any real interest in them or cows or hunting, etc.

The ranch is no longer a commercial ranching operation but they still maintain a herd of cattle and still keep the dogs even if only out of a sense of history or nostalgia. At one point the dogs were used in some manner on the cows. It sounds like they might have been more of a hunting/catching dog than a lead dog or one used for penning the cows. But because of the Spanish influence in Bolivia and on the family in particular . . I'm assuming they would be more of a cur type cow dog than a heeler or a collie, etc.

The estate owner told my friend that when he was a boy the old women of the family would sing a song to the children about his grandfather or great grandfather. As the song goes . . sometime around 1920 the man of the family took some of his working cowboys up into the mountains to kill an extremely dangerous "tigre" that was a menace to not only livestock but some of the local villagers as well. He took all of his dogs except a young pup and a couple of old dogs who were past their prime. Several days later he returned unsuccessfully after having one of his "gauchos" and every single one of the dogs killed. The song goes on to say that the following spring the man returned to the mountains, but this time he went alone and took only the one pup who had by now grown into a young dog called el Lucho. You can probably guess that the man and dog killed the jaguar by themselves or else their wouldn't have been a song.

Also . . there was some famous white hunter of jaguars in the 1920s or 30s who supposedly got his most famous dog from this family. The hunter's name was either Samuel something . . or something Samuels, and there is alleged to be a book written about him. I've looked all over the internet and haven't found anything but I'm thinking it might just be a Bolivian book and so would've been written in Spanish.

The dogs have always pretty much run loose on the ranch so nowadays most of the male dogs are neutered for practical purposes. It doesn't seem anyone pays much attention to which dogs mate and there are no records kept of any breedings . . or at least not for the last fifty years or more. There are no nearby neighbors or towns to produce many stray dogs but there are villagers on the estate itself and some of them keep a type of dog known as Andean Tiger Hounds that could have intermingled in the gene pool of these ranch dogs.

Strangely though . . these Andean Tiger hounds are one of only three known dogs that produce separated, double nostrils . . and since the ranch dogs don't possess that trait . . I'm assuming there isn't a lot of interbreeding. But to be fair . . the ranch dogs could be half Shih Tzu for all the evidence I have.

Here is one of a few pictures I've managed to get from my friend. The dogs all look like slight variations upon this one. Some have no saddle. On some the saddle covers much more but has more of a smutty or sable appearance than what we would call black and tan. This is the main dog used to catch last year's nuisance jaguar. I don't know his name in Spanish . . but my friend says he was told it translates to "Baby Eater" . . lol.



Anyway . . I thought somebody might find this story interesting. One more hint at a possible Spanish origin for working/herding dogs in the new world.




18  HOG & DOGS / GENERAL DISCUSSION / Re: Natural Instinct or Brains? on: June 15, 2014, 10:56:45 am
Instinct and natural ability are important. That's why I'm so hung up on getting a dog that was bred specifically for the job you are doing. Otherwise, what are the chances that a squirrel dog has the whole innate skill set to stop a running hog or bay him without getting killed or driving the hog off. Yes, a dog is a dog . . they can all do a little of everything. But specialization makes the world turn smoothly. I think ultimately . . instinct is what you need to get dogs started . . until the learning curve surpasses nature's gift bag.

Brains and desire are obviously both good in a working dog. Brains allow a dog to learn and for you to teach. Desire is what makes a dog go down the track.

But the biggest payoff of brains and desire is in how they act as natural modifiers for every other desirable trait. Say your dog is born with a great trailing package . . . brains and desire multiply his ability to use it, how to use it, when to use it . . or when to not use it because the hog obviously ran for that thicket on the horizon. Or say he is a gritty dog who will get inside and get the job done . . brains and desire act as a modifier and allow him to get it done with less injury to himself . . or tell him when less is more or more is needed.

Unfortunately . . not all dogs are smart. And very, very few of them have the ability to solve problems.
19  HOG & DOGS / GENERAL DISCUSSION / Re: Doughbelly on: June 15, 2014, 10:13:19 am
Sorry to hear that Jody. I didn't know him like you but I did have the great fortune of speaking with him over the phone a few times. He was a wealth of knowledge and experience and was happy to share it. He helped me out with some info on a pair of dogs he produced . . littermate brothers named Pete and Frank who were owned and used by rodeo legend Phil Lyne. Offspring of Doughbelly's dogs, thru Pete and Frank found their way to Oklahoma in the pedigree of a dog named Bauman's Bonnie. I believe Bonnie is behind Weatherford's Ben and Clue Anderson's Jolene.

I'm sure his life was comprised of many more important things than a couple of cow dogs . . but those were my only dealings with him. My condolences to his friends and family.
20  HOG & DOGS / HOG DOGS / Re: Sizzlin heat Plotts on: June 12, 2014, 11:55:50 am
Thank you! . . and, I did it for myself.
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