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1  HOG & DOGS / HOG DOGS / Re: Run to catch on: August 03, 2020, 07:21:59 am
I’m not waisting anymore of my time reading tour gibberish any more Dean, your so full of yourself and your style of dogs to the point your blinded by your own “enlightenment”, way I was raised and the sticks I call home you had better back what you say with how you play, again the invitation is still open to come show me how ineffective my style of dogs are, I’ve invited you time and time again and never any type of response, if I were so confident in my style of dogs as you are I’d jump at the opportunity to go and prove it, I used to have some respect for you but after reading the first paragraph of your last comment, that has gone out the window, of a a fella has to result in insults in his rebuttals that just shows the depth of his character and morals, once again come run your dogs and not your mouth, and while your here we can have us a personal IQ test to see who understands what, I’m pretty well versed in that area as well Mr. Professor, it’s easy to sit and talk about it but another thing to show up and be about it, until then what you say and claim is nothing more than an opinion and they are like as$ holes and elbows, everybody has them, don’t reply with how great your dogs are in YOUR region, bring those superior swine stoppers to my stomping grounds and teach us a thing or two, your dogs and that style are a specialty tool, like a standard wrench, designed to fit one type of application, mine are more like a crescent wrench that can be used in multiple types of ways, don’t believe me just call my bluff, I’m not scared to back my play and hit the hwy to show in the flesh what I say...


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2  HOG & DOGS / HOG DOGS / Re: Still learning: Florida cracker curs on: July 14, 2020, 11:45:47 pm
Lmk p


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3  HOG & DOGS / HOG DOGS / Re: Still learning: Florida cracker curs on: July 14, 2020, 11:45:33 pm
Yhyhythyhyhyhyyyyyyyyhyhy  Mt ytyt


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4  HOG & DOGS / HOG DOGS / Re: Still learning: Florida cracker curs on: July 14, 2020, 11:38:18 pm
I don’t know your situation with raising pups but if you can let them run loose until they start becoming a nuisance or running game on their own, if you can’t, but have access to go shine rabbits take them one at a time and go shine when you see one don’t say anything to the pup but walk in that direction and wait for Mother Nature to take over, might have to shine one that the pup sees and keep the light on it and see if pup gives chase, after a few times of this and no prey drive kicking in then you might have your work cut out for you, for the pup running but not staying, has it ever got to complete a race and see the end result, if not it could simply be that the pup just doesn’t fully know what’s going on yet and hasn’t connected A-to-B yet and had that ahaaa moment, if you can hobble a shoat and turn it loose and the pup right behind it, put the odds in the pups favor, a smaller hog than the dog to give the pup a confident feeling, and it can’t blow out and leave the pup standing there, at a slower pace at a level the pup can maintain eye contact majority of the time and learn to connect the dots when using its nose, take her out when she’s extremely excited and leave her wanting more, even if it’s not as long as you’d hope for, some times in the long run less is more, if it’s in her she should progress, if you can do this once or twice a week and hunt her on weekends or whenever you hunt she should come around and figure it out, this is just my opinion and not a golden rule by any means but at the 18 month mark if they’re not at least making the race or the majority of it then they don’t stay on my yard and by 2 yrs if they aren’t capable of producing a hog by themselves at least a few times by that age then they don’t stay, but that’s just my standards as long as I’ve done my part in getting the pup raised up the right way and started the right way I’ll hang on a little longer if for whatever reason I didn’t get to raise and start the pup in a way to it’s benefit, as far as the male goes I’d first try live trapping a coon and leave it in the trap and put a cord on it so you can drag it, get the pup away from any major distractions and tap the trap to make the coon hiss and fuss, or put some sort of treat just out of reach of the coon next to the trap, when the pup goes for it the coon should fight at and hiss at the pup, if that don’t fire him off and ignite him then I’d say you got your work cut out there as well, you might have to turn his littermate loose or another dog he connects well with and let them get the coon fired up and fighting, and maybe it may take the monkey see monkey do route, I have no idea what it is about a pis$ed off coon in a cage that makes a dog fire off like they do, if you have a small terrier or heeler type dog that will bay and fight at the coon that the pup knows then that’s even better, after a few rounds of this if you can take him to an open bay pen then I’d suggest leashing him to the pen and making him watch the other dogs work even might have to let them bay at the coon if he’s fired off on it but leave him leashed and pissed off that he had to miss out, on the next run in the pen if he’s barking wanting loose turn him loose but with a long piece of weedeater string so you can pull him out while he’s baying, only allow him to bay for a few minutes once he starts and pull him out while the others are still working and leash him up again to tease and entice him, a few of those runs and he should start putting it together, I’d even take him when messing with the gyp just to watch and be enticed, the biggest factor to figure out here is what is YOUR standard and end goal, another method that we’ve used in the past on a dog that just didn’t want anything to do with a hog off an all star cross and high turn out litter, we put him in the pen with a hog and didn’t feed either one of them for 4 or 5 days, then we put the dog food in the trough used to feed the hog, hunger is what drives all living things, when the hog tried to come up and get the dogs food he wasn’t about to have that and the savage came out in him and from that moment forward he was a HOGDOG, it just all came together for him at once like a light bulb went off, it may sound cruel and harsh to some but desperate times call for desperate attempts, I’ve started doing the rabbit shining the last 5-6 years and it has become my best training tool, the pups learn to use their nose and how to work a scent trail and can figure out the right end of a track all on their own once they start actually running them I quit and by that time I’ve started baying them, when it’s time to hit the woods for the first time they already know how to use their nose and work out scent, and that puts me months ahead of most right out of the gate, I very rarely have problem with them trashing on rabbits later on, mostly right at the beginning, before making a cross I look at the litter average of the parents if most of their litter didn’t make good dogs then I won’t breed them, everybody has to start from somewhere so be real with your self and come up with a set of standards and don’t stray to far from them even if it means scrapping what you got and finding other stock, if you can keep the whole litter and set a standard and time frame for results at different age stages and cull accordingly what’s not up to par at whatever age you have a standard to meet, hopes all this rambling nonsense can help you out the slightest bit...


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5  HOG & DOGS / HOG DOGS / Re: Run to catch on: June 28, 2020, 02:42:08 pm
Run to catch= serious bidness when what’s in the box hits the rocks, has nothing to do with style or strength or anything in between, it’s that “yo as$ is mine at whatever cost to oneself to do it” or could look at it as when gameness fuels the whole reason to giddy up in the first place, my dads patter dale was to the core of his existence “run to catch” whatever ignited him but could barley handle his own shadow but never checked up until that truck checked his as$ for him while he was fighting a coyote in the middle of the hwy “ that started off as I’m about to run you down to catch you and then attempt to destroy you and I have a certain set of special skills , such skills that make me a very dangerous patter” at least in his mind, he never got the memo that he was only 10 lbs...


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6  HOG & DOGS / HOG DOGS / Re: Run to catch on: June 25, 2020, 05:18:11 pm
Hey Dean that open invitation is still on the table for you and your “divine creatures” to come on down here in my neck of the woods and put my mongrels to even more shame because they “bay” at a hog, no smack talking or any type of negativity of any sort, just comparing those “apples to oranges” nose, bottom, stamina, etc. all the things you claim traditional “bay dogs” lack, and to make it sweeter some of the foot warmers we feed are heavily line  bred around an old July hound male that was banned from every fox pen around on account of he caught to much game in them...



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7  HOG & DOGS / GENERAL DISCUSSION / Re: Is he still around?? on: June 15, 2020, 05:10:31 pm
I think that maybe Sam boutwell if so I know how to get in touch with him
8  HOG & DOGS / DOGS ON HOGS / Re: Swing and a miss on: June 15, 2020, 05:07:32 pm
Quick what type of dog is that white one?
9  HOG & DOGS / GENERAL DISCUSSION / Re: Severed tendon on: June 11, 2020, 07:48:55 pm
Pool would be an excellent choice, might can put your thinking cap on and look around the ranch at what all you got to work with and might can come up with some sort of tank taller than her that you can secure a piece of pipe or something to reach the dead center and attach a harness to it and put her in it, you know her better than anybody, go easy first few times and read her body language and pull her out when she starts showing signs of consistent pain and soreness...
10  HOG & DOGS / GENERAL DISCUSSION / Re: Hard cull on: June 11, 2020, 07:05:26 pm
When I was younger I wouldn’t bat an eye as to removing and inferior animal from my ownership, as I get older and deeper into these dogs it definitely has gotten a lot harder, but it’s something that must be done and as Tdog and Slim mentioned I know the fate of the dog and find peace in knowing that animal was loved and taken great care of its entire life up until it’s final seconds, 99% of my dogs I raise from pups and 99% of the pups I raise are created and born right here under my oak trees and become part of my family, I create a unique bond with everyone of them individually and it’s a painful thing to have to do but must be done to set and maintain a high standard, I could be wrong but feel as if dogs can and do experience emotions just the same as us and won’t allow one of my dogs to be put through such things that come with hauling it off, selling it just to “recoup” my money, or pawning it off a wet behind the ears green horn who don’t know a hot dog from a hog dog, it’s to quick, easy, and morally and ethically responsible for yourself and the dog, last several years I haven’t had to cull one on account of just being a dud, usually just because I like things to be done certain ways and not all dogs meet my standards, the few I do decide that don’t meet the standards are given to some of my cousins that run deer dogs and I trust and respect their handling and raising, the prey drive is definitely locked into them genetically and we all know running deer seems to be much easier game for dogs to run lol I’ve had to do away with to many to remember to get where I’m at and knowing I’m willing to do what most can’t to achieve my goals and knowing my animal isn’t going to suffer in anyway and my breeding program just took another step forward brings me enough peace at mind to stabilize the emotions that come with having to do such things ...
11  HOG & DOGS / HOG DOGS / Re: Who bred your dogs? on: June 11, 2020, 06:01:44 pm
Got a pair of males at two different yards off a half brother half sister cross with the dame of the pair being their common ancestor but the sires to both of the parents were littermate brothers, so it’s a half sibling/first cousin cross that should make some really nice dogs, they are 11 months old now, one is going to be hunted and the other used on cattle, I’m expecting pups any minute now out of the same mother as the two 11 month old males bred to another first cousin whose sire is also a littermate brother to the grandsires of my 2 11 month old males, I’m concentrating on a certain cross that clicked real good and had 100% litter turn over rate that all made well above average dogs and average to great reproducers of themselves, got my fingers crossed everything goes as close to as planned as possible these next 2-3 years...
12  HOG & DOGS / HOG DOGS / Re: Tell me about your worst/rankest/roughest hog to bay/catch...... on: May 09, 2020, 03:03:17 pm
A lot of guys don’t understand the thought process behind catching a bad hog like that, but when you do throw him, it’ll be a story worth telling!
Can you explain a little what you mean, cause I’m probably one of those guys who don’t understand lol.


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Not speaking on Bens behalf but what I think he means is if the same strategy and approach keep yielding the same unsuccessful results then it’s time to go back to the drawing board and rethink things unless you just want to keep losing dogs, hogs like him have already learned how things work when the dogs show up and has learned to use the strength of pack mentality to his advantage, in numbers dogs will feel more confident and it leads to over confidence, a bad hog will most times pick out whichever aggressor is giving him the most bother and zero in on it or has learned where he can go to stand his ground and make his fight to his advantage, to each his own but it makes me chuckle when I hear it see where people are against cutting game off at crossings and such as that, I 1000% agree with catching one fair and square, everyone has different definitions, mine is not using a pack of running catch dogs to lug one down to the point the laws of physics take over and he’s just out numbered or using a gun to cripple one to slow it down, I’m not perfect and have done both but don’t make it a practice or habit, but cutting one off at a crossing isn’t “cheating”, I look at it as a challenge and every time I get defeated I also learn more about hogs like yours, they expose their patterns and routes over time, thus “outsmarting” his opponent, learn to use that against him, if you know where his route throw a wrench in his gears, you’ll most likely surprise him and throw him out of routine, break his pattern and routine and get him out of his element he’ll have to rethink his strategy on the fly and that’s when they slip up, in your case it sounds more like 2 dependable loose baying dogs would make him hold bay, and a pair of catchdogs sent in from complete opposite sides of the bay from one another and have a rougher bay dog or 2 sent in if needed behind the catch dogs in case he breaks, even then that approach may not work and after several times of trying to catch him one way and no results time to change up strategy again, it’s these kinda hogs I LOVE, to me numbers don’t mean anything compared out smarting wise old boars like him, I’m about the challenge and feel more accomplished once I’ve won after being defeated time and again, than I do piling up the sows and shoats, everyone gets different joys out of different aspects of the hunt and that’s just mine...
13  HOG & DOGS / HOG DOGS / Re: FL Pups on: April 30, 2020, 04:32:04 pm
Really does look like you may have pulled it off just judging by the uniformity but also complete difference in coat colors, do either sires have any of those distinct patterns in their background up close, first time I did it (accidental) all the males were bulldog and all the females were bulldog/cur, once the pups were a little older is was a no brained who the sires were....
14  HOG & DOGS / DOGS ON HOGS / Re: Hospital trip on: April 30, 2020, 04:26:48 pm
Man they’re all over the place in the swamps up here. I rarely see any snake but a water moccasin. Couple weeks ago I killed a baby, cut his head off with my hedge trimmers out at a property while cleaning up a trail. Then 2 days later I almost got struck by a big one 20ft from where I killed the baby. Then to top all that off on Friday night my hunting partner Zach stepped on a baby, I cut his head off. Then 5 minutes later he stepped all the way over an adult moccasin that he didn’t see. Andddd then I killed another one today. Lol they are everywhere right now. Those suckers never fail to make me nervous


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I’d be buying mothballs by the 5 gallon bucket loads, I have a big pond on my place and my dog yard is on the north side of it, knock on wood I’ve never had a dog on a chain get bit but lost one heck of a bulldog gyp off of our late Ch Kodiak male, only one to make it off that particular cross, after that I throw mothballs out in between my dogs and the pond several times each year, and between my place, my cousins, and my parents places there are 4 more ponds and I do the same just for safe measure bc my kid is attracted to water like a fish is and always finds an excuse to get in no matter how cold or what time of year, Austesus I’d go buy a box a just spread them out sparsely along the trails you frequently use, it’s crazy that here in the swamp you’ll see some but not nearly as many as we do around the farms, I’m guessing bc of the abundance of grains there’s an abundance of rodents, and where there’s plenty of rodents the snakes have a never ending buffet...
15  HOG & DOGS / HOG DOGS / Re: Cut aquiles on: April 27, 2020, 04:21:55 pm
Tendons can and do heal back together, I’d have to question the integrity or knowledge of any practicing physician of man or beast who says other wise, I know there’s extreme circumstances and cases, I was 15 I cut my left index finger 90% through including the tendon that controls your finger to move up and down, could only lift my index finger half way, cleaned it really good and wrapped it good and electrical taped a stick from tip of my index finger down to my wrist so I could hold my shot gun and finish our squirrel hunting that weekend, got home and went to dr. and only option was surgery, I’m 32 now and have never had a single issue after the healing process, if he’s using it good now I’d give him a physical therapy regiment and start slow and over the summer increase the load on it, if he starts showing ANY lameness or soreness in that leg lay him up until it goes away, recovery cannot be rushed and each case is different, you know your dog better than anyone else and know what he can and can’t take, professional athletes have tendon repairs everyday some don’t make it back and some never miss a beat, just don’t rush recovery....
16  HOG & DOGS / GENERAL DISCUSSION / Re: Something to think about on: April 22, 2020, 05:58:58 am
I got plenty of shot gun shells, well just turn a few of the yearling pups loose and go sit at an old crossing like the good ole days, we all gna eat something, might be any kinda fur bearing critter roaming around here, we’re the Meat Dog Mafia for a reason lol....
17  HOG & DOGS / HOG DOGS / Re: Dog weight gain on: April 20, 2020, 06:53:56 am
Should I have given it orally goose? I put it down their backs from shoulder blades to tail


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Yessir, I’m sure there’s plenty of effectiveness going that route maybe not as potent, however you did probably help out a good bit with external parasites such mosquitoes, gnats, biting flies etc. , next time give it orally...
18  HOG & DOGS / HOG DOGS / Re: Dog weight gain on: April 19, 2020, 07:16:48 pm
It’s labeled as a pour on but is given orally to dogs and sheep and goats as well...
19  HOG & DOGS / HOG DOGS / Re: Dog weight gain on: April 14, 2020, 04:20:39 am
Just picked up a bottle of Cydectin pour on for beef and dairy cattle at Tractor Supply for $86. Are the dosages for cattle the same as yall give dogs? Also are y’all just giving it once a month, or several days in a row? Since I had that one work incident I’m going to hit all the dogs with a good worming to make sure they’re all clean


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1cc per 10 lbs of body weight, wouldn’t hurt to give 2 days in a row on your first worming and again 2 weeks later after that swap it up with a different  type of wormer each month, I also rub on ears and helps a lot with buying flies...
20  HOG & DOGS / HOG DOGS / Re: Dog weight gain on: April 08, 2020, 08:13:38 am
Go to your local vets office a round brochures in the lobby for flea/tick and worm medicines, find the active ingredients and research where else it’s used besides in small animal practice and you’ll find that about 99% of them can be bought at local feed stores and TSC under different names and applications, there was a brand out that claimed to kill ALL worms and fleas, vets office was ridiculous on price, put forth a little effort to find out what the ingredients were and discovered it was moxidectin/and active ingredient in Bayer tree and shrub, I can buy a bottle big enough to last me almost a year for my yard ( avg 20 hd at all times between every breed and lifestage of dogs I own) for what one months of wormer would’ve cost through the clinic, moxidectin is th AI in cydectin pour on and drench for cattle and sheep/goats, Austeus there are different species of tape that are contracted through various forms of transmission and require different meds, you maybe killing one but just giving the other species more to go, SWAP your wormers up, and in mosquito season give the Ivetmectin directly in the hip/muscle, it’s absorbed directly into bloodstream instead of having to go through the stomach and be digested and processed and absorbed into the blood stream along with whatever else maybe in the gut, first time I used the cydectin I had what I thought were worm free and healthy looking dogs passing worms the next day and put on more mass within a month...
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