Man I'm a sucker for any type or style of handmade knives and it's a hobby I'd like to give a try one day, Cajun there used to be an old man that worked for kostmeyer construction name Joe Savoie that I bought a good bit from years ago, it was kinda like a weekly treat to myself on payday I'd always buy one from him either for myself or as a gift for a friend or family member, I saw an awesome one made from an old railroad spike once and one from some 2" cable that came off a crane, those two really sunk into my memory....

Let me broaden my brush. Dog fighting is not only for white trash and n#ggers, but also every other race's "trash". Again, this is only my opinion and also the opinion of those "Crackers" I was raised around I have no problem offending those who need offending

SHOOOO fly......

I just about positive they were never really so much as set as a strain or family as they were more so like several generations of dogs who were put together from Joey Dennisons selection and pairing of individual dogs who complimented each other well and produced good, I think he didn't hog hunt to many more years after he had started putting together good crosses, not talking down on them by any means bc the ones I hunted with were nice, that one in particular that had originally come from Danny Drinkard, but there's nothing special about them for them to have that almost novelty like label on them, and one thing I do know  and won't mention a name or timeframe other than it was in Alabama bc for whatever reason, there was some crossing of English coon hound bred into them and also some Florida cur blood, I haven't been on FB or hunted with any of the mutual associates I had with Danny Drinkard or Don Bradford in about 4 or 5 years so I don't know what's come of them now...


Last I heard anything out of Mr. Joey was also on FB and he was living in Jessup Ga and was breeding training and selling Mt Cur squirrel dogs, close friend of mine went and bought one....

I have him on FB and he posts a ton of training videos on his dogs. They have tons of go it seems like. They ain’t cheap by no means neither when you buy one.

No they're not cheap by any means, but he doesn't or used to didn't sale pups or started dogs, he sold you a put meat in the badg squirrel dog.....

I have been line breeding off those original dogs for over 20 years. I have tried to keep the lines as tight as possible, but there is some other stuff in the blood now. Some of the other guys who had some descendants of the original dogs may have bred in a different direction, but I have tried to stay as much catahoula as possible. The ones I have are much as Reuben described: drop them on a fresh track, fresh sign, or cast them in a block that holds hogs and wait for them to get bayed. If you go back and look at some of Chainrateds posts from years back, you will see basically the same dogs I have.

Whereabouts do you live at?

Thanks guys. Goose, that’s sorta the plan. I am hoping to take a good female back to the male from this cross and continue to grow the line out as well as down so that there are more options. This pairing was the stars aligning since there are no other dogs that can make this cross to continue the blood from the original crosses. I’ve thought about how to do this for years and it looks like it will finally work out


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Great things come to good folks who try do all the right things and at all the right times and who are willing to devote the patience, hoping this works out for you, just judging by knowing you on here these last few years you've definitely earned my respect, keeping up with you on here and following your journey with your dogs. Keep it up brother your investment of all the sweat equity you've paid in is not far from starting to pay you great dividends, not speaking in dog power but one day looking at where your at and what you got In this game and then reflecting on the journey you traveled getting there the adventures the dogs have taken you and the memories made and the feeling of accomplishment that comes with it is the greatest return on investment you'll ever receive...

I just about positive they were never really so much as set as a strain or family as they were more so like several generations of dogs who were put together from Joey Dennisons selection and pairing of individual dogs who complimented each other well and produced good, I think he didn't hog hunt to many more years after he had started putting together good crosses, not talking down on them by any means bc the ones I hunted with were nice, that one in particular that had originally come from Danny Drinkard, but there's nothing special about them for them to have that almost novelty like label on them, and one thing I do know  and won't mention a name or timeframe other than it was in Alabama bc for whatever reason, there was some crossing of English coon hound bred into them and also some Florida cur blood, I haven't been on FB or hunted with any of the mutual associates I had with Danny Drinkard or Don Bradford in about 4 or 5 years so I don't know what's come of them now...


Last I heard anything out of Mr. Joey was also on FB and he was living in Jessup Ga and was breeding training and selling Mt Cur squirrel dogs, close friend of mine went and bought one....

You couldn’t have spoken that better, Goose.


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I would say thanks for the compliment, but in actuality it saddens my soul to have to respond to statements like that from folks that are so low that even mosquitos look down on them , and there's nothing complimentary about that, I try my hardest to only conjure positivity in everything I do, from my own personal thoughts all the way to what and why and with what intent in which I do something and don't dwell on or give negativity of any kind any of my energy or attention, in this day and time and seeing what humanity is coming to also often takes a lot of prayer for patience , but I find it almost impossible to restrain myself from responding to BS such as that, the ones who want to point out and talk about the twig in someone else eye but can't see the stick poking out of their own and especially from a guy like Mr. Wan A.B. Throwbach here, who can only regurgitate the opinions of others,  Austesus you will learn in life that some folks just don't have the capability to be their own leaders and can only follow the lead of the ones they idolize....

It wouldn't hurt to take a female off that cross back to sire and a male back to the dame, tighten the lighten up real tight when your first starting to establish it and being as they are a few more off kin (2-3 generations removed from same common ancestor, 1st and 2nd cousins, aunts and uncles) you could be able to do what I call the wagon wheel method of breeding, starting from a solid tight core (hub) and having branches to go down (spokes) all while keeping it in the same circle( wheel), play your cards right and you won't have to worry about breeding yourself into a corner with each new generation and be able to stay within the same core gene pool...

Dog fighting has and always will be for white trash and n#ggers   Has no business even being mentioned on a "working dog" forum. This is my opinion, of course.

And you know what they say about opinions, they're like as$holes and elbows, everybody's got them, your quick judgement and use of derogatory terms when referring to different ethnicities and cultures of individual, says a lot about your character and morals, but yet you label other as trash, the hypocrisy in itself should be humbling, but then again it's to be expected from some folks, they just can't help themselves and some just don't know any better, and furthermore your mentioning of a "working dog" and game dogs having no business even being mentioned in the same place again just goes to show everyone your ineptitude to actually know, understand, and comprehend the history and origins behind just about every breed and discipline of working dogs, so blinded by your own sub conscience needs to feel as if in some way your higher than others on the totem pole of life that you have the right to look down on others for whatever reason you tell yourself, yes there's good and bad individuals in every aspect of life that easily put a stigma on others, and those who believe such stigmas are of the weak minded sheeple, before you feel the need to feel higher than another and look down on someone as if you're in someway better than them how about stopping and ask yourself just who the F are you and what have you done for the betterment of society and mankind as whole, how have you contributed and what kind of impact do you make on the roads of life we all travel, I truly feel sympathy for individuals with mindsets such as yours who can never see the bigger picture of life, not putting down on or trash talking any type of sport where there's different levels and forms violence, and not condemning any culture or heritage or way of life, but I  will say this, you can't force or make a dog become great at anything it doesn't want to naturally do against its own free will, whether it be in the box or the bushes, however I can't recall any time at all or any documentation throughout history of the sport of rodeo that there's ever been a breed of cattle developed or anyone particular individual calf that naturally wanted to have a rope attached to an 1100 lb horse thrown around their neck while running full speed and come to sudden stop jerked off their feet or thrown to the ground and have their feet restrained by a piece of rope, all because an individual wanted to show case their own individual skill at something, so next time you feel the need to compare apples and oranges how about dumping out the whole fruit basket, nuts and all, but then again that might be a little to advanced for you....

Something to look at is are you trying to push them or letting them be. Try this next time you run into that stop and set there until they do something if it takes two hrs just sit there. Some times when you walk you might be doing the hunting for the dogs and not realize it. Pushing them and following them is totally different nothing wrong with that method but it tends to make the dogs depend on you when there not confident enough to search out no matter what they smell. But like goose said you could come back two hrs later and lined one out


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That's some truth right there judge, I've sat down before and took a nap letting two young dogs work a track I knew they could smell, it took about an hour and a half for them to walk it out and figure it out, once we put and end product with their hustle they were a different set of dogs after that and got to be where they had a knack for pulling a rabbit out of a hat, it was a good day in the hog woods that morning, had I not hung out with the dry cows the night before I probably wouldn't have decided to take that little nap so reluctantly.....

This has been some good reading gentlemen, so I’ve gotta question y’all may have the answer to. A few weeks ago I took a buddy out with me and we’re walking down the main road that goes in to multiple different properties. Well it’s about 6:30am, 75ish degrees, high humidity, and there was a bunch of dew on the ground. About 10 minutes in we come up to where there a big cutover on the left with some grinded mulch left behind. We see 3 shoat a laid up, only 50 yards from us. Well we decide to get low and wait to see if the dog’s hit on them. Right about then the dogs caught a hog that was on the right side of the road about 30yds off in some real thick stuff. By the time we get that once killed and back out, the hogs had slipped out. I watched them trot towards the woods in the back of the cutover.

I called all of the dogs over and they really didn’t seem to smell it. After 10-15 minutes they did try to line it up but the furthest they went was 200yds and they kept coming back. It was like they legitimately couldn’t smell it. These dogs have caught plenty of hogs so I have no doubt they would’ve taken the track if they could smell it.

Could this have been the dew on the ground? I was also told that the sign might have been too hot for them to line up with all of the fresh rooting that was around them


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Very well could've been mass confusion, last summer we looked plum pitiful hunting a section of the swamp north of me, this place was literally gutted in rooting everywhere you went and all the dogs turned out left out going every which a direction with intent in each step but not nere one of them got a track lined out and a hog jumped that day, here's something folks don't give a lot of thought into, and are quick to make the assumption that if your dog can't smell a hog as bad as they stink then you got junk, that's couldn't be further from the truth, a hog pen has a strong odor but a hog itself does not, hogs only have like 6 glands they excrete scents and pheromones from, and their body doesn't produce any natural lanolins, so there's not much for these dogs to work with to begin with, another you have to look at is the vegetation growth, the more dense the brush the more surface area of solid objects for scent particles and bodily scurf to adhere to if the area is wide open and void of very little vegetative undergrowth that scent will just disperse itself amongst the surrounding atmosphere, this very same instance has been a phenomenon in the bobcat hunting world since it was developed and that is spotting a cat visually and putting dogs down and they cant even smell their own breath, come back later and chances are they can move the track and sometime they can't, go 2 miles down the Rd an same dogs rig a cat that had crossed earlier in the evening, again this another one of some university study that can be found where it was proven, at least in man, that sudden and unexpected fear will actually change the scent of the pheromones the body puts out, I've seen exactly what you've just experienced so many times in just about every form of hunting you can do with a dog in the south, it all made sense after finding that study done, I've started to try and take notice that when we're running a hog, if it makes a road crossing Undisturbed by anything other than the dogs in pursuit that the dogs never really hiccup on the track much at the road crossing, but let that hog get spooked by whatever it may be and and it seems like more times than not they have some difficulty keeping it going at a steady pace unto they get farther along on it then it picks backup......

That's what first got my wheels to turning thinking about it, it makes complete good sense, few years ago, actually bout 7 yrs ago I used to run a garmin collar, a radio collar, and a tri tronics collar and could never figure out why I had a couple that would stay sore and crippled footed but didn't have raw or blown pads, after my paw in law made the jab about all that jewelry I had on her weighing her down, I got to giving it some thought and gotta watching the ones having issues and how they carried themselves with and w/o the collars and am convinced that the unnatural uneven weight distribution was causing the soreness and lameness...

There aren't a whole lot of them around, or at least that I am aware of. They are a pleasure to hunt with.

The few I've seen were some nice dogs, there was a pocket of guys in south Alabama that had some of it, they're just like anything else and look good with the variables stacked in their favor and look horrible in the days they are stacked against them, there wasn't many of them dogs from what I've gathered, just a good solid strain of cur dogs that Joey Denison put together, the ones I've hunted behind, one in particular, was ignorant gritty, he would bay a pig all day just the same as a boar hog, but just as soon as he heard and even got to be be where if he could smell him coming to a bay he'd try to catch out every time and was on his death bed quite a few times bc of that, ole boy got to where he had to approach him bayed going based off the wind direction bc he would get himself wrecked if he knew help wasn't far behind...

I had her down there in Feb. and she done pretty good, and now that you mention it she does not do that when I am hunting the flat grounds in the winter time.

That's something I've never given much thought to, how the contour of the terrain will alter the angulation and position in which the foot lands...

Were the ones you hunted with cast dogs as Reuben described in his post?

Yessir they were....

I wonder if you could download a camera or photo app, I heard of one just the other day that had a remarkable slow mo feature, maybe you could someone to video her in an open stride and then watch it in the slow mo and see if she's not carrying her feet right for some reason and maybe dragging that one spot somehow, if it's the same size sore in the same spot on all feet...

Reuben have you ever hunted with any Dennison catahoulas?

I'm not Reuben but I have hunted with a few....

And your right about that heat, these critters are made of flesh, bone ,and blood just the same as us, they aren't machines, it's asking a lot out of dog especially one not conditioned to heat yet, a lot of dogs have been killed over the years bc they didn't know they were pushing their limits all they knew was go get it and their handlers being more focused on the hog instead of reading their dogs condition when you can see them, I'll snatch one up real quick even if he's burning a good boar up if i see a potential issue....

I also condition my dogs 3 days a week on non hunting days. I road them and swim them from 7:30 PM to 8:30 PM. I have a place with good roads and a series of ponds/tanks roughly 3/4 mile apart. I’ll long trot, bullet, & breeze them in a session. Let them swim and cool off and go to the next tank. It helps them out but i haven’t found anything to simulate getting on hogs in the woods. The adrenaline & excitement heats them up quick!


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Like a good roping horse that's has some blue Hancock in him, you gotta wear him down before he can work good lol, the adrenaline and excitement will play off over time and more tracks they are fed and they figure the game out, swimming is the absolute best exercise for a dog but only draw back is it doesn't condition a dog to heat, which in your case isn't an issue bc they are getting the physical work, and it's mixed up exercises, if you can restrain them to the SXS, try just the slow steady high pace walk, most of my dogs I work usually get up to 7-9 mph before they break outta the walk into a stride or light Gallup, once they do that they're going to fast, a dogs fast twitch muscles are responsible for his quick sudden movements, and his slow twitch muscles are what he uses in long distance, by working them at a slower pace your burning calories and fat, and getting their heart rate up but maintaining that high paced walk your able to work them longer and it's more consistent and is what builds their cardio and stamina... 


None of that puts the on hogs quicker just benefits the endurance once jumped, in one side of my cur base the dogs didn't really start putting it together until they were about 3, and slowing down and working on a track, bc they were bred around a big motor dog on one side, my old smutt dog is like that still, he will have himself so worked up before I'm out the drive way that's he's panting heavy, and would cover a garmin screen quick like a rat on acid, until he got a little more maturity and realized his job, he still gets worked up and over heated quick, back to what I said about the Essential oils earlier, there's some out there, lavender being one that calms, there's quite a few out there that are know to help with calming down and focus and stuff such as that, another you can do that will help them cool down quicker is I mixing wintergreen rubbing alcohol and the blue cool down spray you can get from the dollar general in a spray bottle and spray their undersides when you pick them up, they won't like it but it brings their core temp down quickly and safely by opening the pores and allowing heat to escape through evaporation...

You've seem to be pretty on top of things as it is, I don't believ the feed is to hot, not 24%, if your not doing it yet, start asap tm adding the pro biotics in their feedings....

Lol Goose, you’re a funny writer. There are lots of things you can do extra to help your animals. I remember feeding out my catch dog one summer. I was feeding his regular kibble but not a normal amount. Ground meat (greyhound meat), spinach, cottage cheese, and apple cider vinegar. With daily exercise and that diet, he was super lean and hard and performed well. He was a good dog anyway but I wanted to experiment. He would knock the bottom out of food dish too. He loved that diet. Apple cider vinegar is extremely good for animals and people alike. I try to keep it in my dog water. Lots of mineral benefits, it helps cut gut fat, it kills viruses and algae, and helps create a more alkaline system. Most of y’all know I’m also a super firm believer in probiotics. Most people don’t realize that dogs eat grass for two reasons. The main reason is for the probiotics that are on the grass. The same reason that wild animals do it and the same reason they eat the intestines and stomach contents of their kill. Lots of people say oh that dogs eating grass, their stomach must hurt. It might hurt but they are eating it for the probiotics, they help settle the gut. The second reason is roughage that they need. I can’t think of a land living animal that doesn’t eat grass from birds to lizards to hogs and dogs. The brain and the gut produce the same chemicals. If one gets off it robs from the other. If the get the gut balanced, they are more stable psychologically stable, their immune system is better, their hormones balance better, etc. I have seen with my own eyes the effects they can have give example after example. We all, I’m sure, have our own thoughts about what’s right or what works. If you think it works then keep on keeping on.


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TDog I forgot about the ACV but it has to have the "mother", I do the same with my dogs, heck this time of yr I sweat horribly and to help my body replenish quicker I put a splash of ACV in my glasses of water several times day, and YES YES YES, guys if there's one thing that you can do that's got the greatest overall health impact, it's PROBIOTICS, I buy a powder form made by ramard at TSC, it pro, and pre biotics along with enzymes, I got an old spice shaker and poured the powder in it and can just sprinkle a little over their food with ease, it takes about 3 months to really be able to see a big difference in your dogs but eventually you'll notice a difference about them, just overall demeanor, physical shape, performance, health, like Tdog has said there's so many health benefits when it comes to maintaining healthy gut flora that you'll begin taking some form of them, a healthy gut is the key to life, and a lot of folks are on community water that has chemicals mixed in to "kill the bacteria", well it can't differentiate the good and bad bacteria so it kills both, when consumed, PPB are nearly a must when you have community water, watch their stool, it says it all about what's going on with your dogs health, the details can get sh!tty so I leave it at that....