cajun (mike) ......i apologize for  getting  you  mixed with someone else .......  it  kinda  hit a nerve  with me  that some made comments  about beating dogs ....i'll stand  on ones  head  if i have  too .....  but anyway  again  sorry about me mixing you with someone else ....

who has said anything about beating a dog just to beat a dog .... i've said i'll get ruff as  i need  too ...... i get results in breeding and training dogs fact ....  we have 6 finished dogs here any dog will go find bay hogs day after day by themseleves and range  out several hundred yards  to find  sign ....i sold 3 last year  for 7 grand  young dogs ....my son sold one for 6 grand finished the boy that hunts  with me sold one  for  4  grand and  my son got offeredabout 2  months ago 7 grand and the man already has  5  parkerdogs and said  he'd  come up on the price ........ and  i have seen times  on some  of em we have  had  to  get  on em perty hard ....thats  just since  last  year ....and  i already have  some young dogs finding hogs  i could sell now  if  i wanted  too ..... ya'll can have  it ......   about  a handful on here has raised and  trained enuff dogs  to fill a toyota ...but  let  someone posts and man scientific evaluations start  and thats  fine  its  all conversation ........but  ain't none  of  you can tell me  how  to train hogdogs  ...... have a good   one fella's  ....... oh  one other  thing before  i go ...cajun   i hunted  hounds  for  years won the 92 state coon hunt with a  walker gyp and qualified for world hunts  coon and  squirrel .. hunted with orval stayed at his place ..i been around dogs a long time ... i know  hounds also if they ain't running with the other dogs  by  6  to 9  months  old  kill em most  people do  ....curdog  is a different breed  ........

all i'm gonna say  is  ya'll over  think this stuff  to much .....  start with bloodline thats where consistancy comes  from .....besides that either  he or she  just progresses on his  or  her  own with hunting experience .....if not you gotta  be a trainer  ......  thats it  its simple ......  watch lab trainers force  train dogs that are hard or bird hunters  they'll burn one up .... but they are trainers  ........ no knocking any ones  ways  it each  to his  own  but  its not that big  of a  deal  for  me ...   

   Beating things to achieve results is ok if you like beating things.

 
 maybe so ...but we were talking about having to get  kinda ruff on some  dogs to get them to get out where they need to be  and  you posted  that  kind  of post ...kinda hard  for me to take  it any  other  way ...... but  if you didn't  mean it that way  its  all good ...

judge peel  you do things  your  way  and  i'll do mine  mine ....but  don't try and down mine unless you hunt with me and see the results ..... i very seldom even have  to whip one  but  i will ....... there's hunters and there's trainer's ........  when i finish one  i can send him or rig him if he  comes in close enuff to hear  me i can send  him back out several hundred yards or so  by himself  can  you ?   and i have trained truck loads  like that  and quite a few other's couldn't get to hunt ...

the tone feature  is  gonna be a game changer  lots  of people get rid  of  good  long range dogs  because  of  not having access to follow them ......  myself i don't care  for mine  to run long as  i used too ....way  more hogs to hunt these  days than used to have ......

myself i use  my cable lead ...and  if  he don't  get the message with the cable end  i'll use  the  snap end ...like a  said  i'll get ruff it  i need  too ... its  usually male  dogs   that  need  it ...... i ain't  never  been able  to love  one  into anything ...... loading  one  up ain't never  worked  for me  either .....some like to ride hahahaha ...... if they  like a hog and will run  or bay  one if you get  em on it  i can usually  make a dog  out  of em  might  take  me a   little  bit but they usually come around ....the  shock collar  i don't like to use at all if  i can  keep  from it .... but  i have  done it  and  it works like i said some dogs will hang  up about 100  yards out looks like they running up and down a road  on the garmin  they looking for a  dog  to  run with ...those  you holler  suey and bump  they'll pull out .... problem with collars  is  once  you use  it then thats  what  you have  to use  it  for on that dog and you gotta try and  make  sure  the  dog knows why he  got bumped ........i wouldn't suggest anything to anyone  i haven't  done  myself ......

the shock collar will work  if done right .....first you gotta  make  sure the dog knows  when you holler suey or whatever  command  you use  to  mean get gone ,,,,after that  some will get out about 60 yards  or so and  hang up waiting on another  dog or sulling ...i holler  suey and bump they'll leave ...some dogs  is hard headed .......i've  done about everything ....but collars  will  work

here's another trick don't know why but  you get  one  in the collar and swing him round while tuning him up and  usually they will leave  they don't like  like that swinging round ...i am very ruff if i have  to be ...but  its either that or bullet .... i guess i get that from my daddy swing  me  round  by  my wrist  or  trying to catch up with me running  in a circle  while  he  tore  me  up ...hahahahaha  when he let  go  i left  hahahhaa  i have trained several like that that made sure  nuff dogs  later...... if  he'll stay bayed  by himself and loves a hog he'll make a dog  you just gotta  figure  out as trainer  what to do .....  our  job  is  to correct bad  habits  the rest falls in line  on its  own

hahahaaha he'd have  to leave ..i want quit til he does .i'd run over  him ..even  if he  just goes off a hundred yards and lays  down  for a while ....you never  whip a  dog  for the  hunt  you on  you whip  him  for the next  hunt ..

some dogs like a hog and  if you can get em out there they'll make a dog ....... but they also like to hang around the buggy too ...... sometimes  it takes  foot on head and  limb on a$$ .......  all you gotta have  is a dog that likes a hog and  will stay bayed i can put him out there ...

it all depends  on where you hunting how  you hunting what  you want for the job  you want done ..... i've hunted  with both for years and  a hogdog is a hogdog ..... and the new tone feature  on the garmins  has  been a game  changer for longer running  hound  owners ....... one  thing perty muchhas always  held  true people gonna lean and talk up  what they feed ..... i hunted  both for years hounds and  curs  i won the 92 state champ coon hunt with a female walker gyp .... good dogs catch hogs just depends on  what  you like ...

thanks fella's ....sent one dog he bayed real deep but not long i told louis i bet that sucker is headed to birds bay he said no he's headed back this way....about 600 yards from us he bayed ...we drove closer sent another dog they was bayed solid ..we walked in and when  we sent bulldogs he broke ...about a  mile and a half  later  bayed in a mayhaw marsh ....that time the bulldogs caught him ....

good barhog 

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  last i made

cut meat in chunks or chops ..i use tex joy bbq rub.black pepper,brown sugar, salt, red pepper all mixed up then i coat the meat  heavy let it set in cooler til next day about 24 hours  or so ...then i smoke about 150 degrees for about 5  hours  or so  ......

probably gonna tasso the whole hog cut up .....