I just mixed in my first 50 lbs of sportmix into my barrel of diamond high



energy. My dogs look fine on the diamond, but I am intrigued by the idea of smaller stools from the sportmix. I feed diamond because the dogs do well on it, it is affordable, and it is not preserved with BHT, BHA, or Ethoxyquin (all suspected carcinogens, but one of them is still used to preserve human food). I am very persnickety about chemical preservatives in dog food. I should be more concerned with by products and feather meal - which is a source of protein used to get the numbers up but can't be digested by the dogs. I am more willing to feed a dogfood that is naturally preserved with vitamin e or tocopherols even if it has fillers. When I was able to feed raw, it was hands down better. Now with so many dogs, I have to look at cost as well as ease of feeding.

If I let my dogs' condition dictate what dog food does best for them, I would say that diamond works fine. Now that I have a source for a better quality feed for close to the same money, I'm changing.

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M

i don't know about smaller stools, but i can promise you that they will crap a lot harder than the diamond.

i had to pick up a bag of diamond the other day because i couldn't get the sportmix. well, lets just say it's been a long time since i've stepped in some mushy crap and tracked it into my house!

i love sportmix 24/20....my dogs run all night long and they do well on it.....never had any problems at all. black bag..

I like to run about 4 or less....

sometimes we run more just for the fun of it. you know, everybody always wants to bring a dog...

we just tell people to bring their best 2 dogs.

i would love to see a calender with nothing but all bay pictures.....

not bay pen pics, but the real deal....

no dogs touching the hog....just real baying in the wild..

sounds like you need reinforcements!!

where you located, i'll come help!!

i can always tell when somebody is hunting some good dry ground, even the hog looks dry!

nice one...

All BS aside, I love my $120 dollar vest, which is now $130. The people who sew the material are very good. The vest holds up which is why I bought it. The only vest I would buy other than uglydog are Southern cross, L3, and Mike's new vests.

Now, I know you can't expect a vest to be 100% hog resistence, but the vest is very new and it wasn't a small poke, it was a complete cut through. After looking at the vest more, the overlapping collar had been completely cut through as well. The leg flap was cut through which wasn't a surprise because they are thin. It was a big hog and the body of the vest took some hits but no cut throughs. I got to the hog and dogs in about 2 minutes after they bayed for the second time. I'm happy with the vest! I didn't post this topic to try and stir the pot. I didn't post this topic to try and upset people or to make uglydog look bad. I think uglydogranch has the best catch vests on the market, which is why I'm running one. I'm trying to avoid running a lot of layers.

The reason why I posted this topic was because I wanted to know what kind of kevlar was used in that vest and if it was treated. I still haven't got an answer to that question. Like I said, Mike and the crew have ran Jake's vests for about 6 years without a single cut through. I don't know how that can happen, but I talk to mike pretty frequently and he'll insist that those vests are tough. Surely somebody would have leaked out the bad news if the vests was cut through. Watch their new video, they put it on the screen again. " NOT ONE SINGLE CUT THROUGH "

My vest is 4 layers with one being kevlar and the chest plate is 5 layers with one being kevlar. The plate is what got cut through. I'm just trying to figure out what the material was because i want to try and correct the problem without running 15 layers of material.

Krystal, thanks for the info.

Stoked, we bought a bunch of the Mossy Oak material when we had the chance, not sure if they still make it or not. Now I see mostly what they call the "digital" camo, which I don't care for. I may have to go to solid color Cordura when I am out of the Mossy Oak.

Yeah, that's all Jake and mike can get right now. I don't like it near as much as the other stuff.

was hoping you knew where to get the old mossy oak...loved the look of that...

nice one again!

nice pig!

My heart goes out to meathead and family.

I will keep you guys in my prayers.

RIP meathead...

I have a guy that sews my vests for me. They are made of two layers of 1000 Denier Cordura (green inside, Mossy Oak Camo on the outside) with one layer of Viper cloth between the two layers of Cordura. There is also a piece of wet felt in the chest plate area of the vest.

I agree that probably no vest is 100% cut/poke proof but we have had good luck with these. They are flexable enough that the dogs mobility isn't hindered, yet stout enough to protect the dog as well as most vests can. Plus we can make them 2" longer (to the end of the rib cage) with a cut out for male dogs.

You can see pics at www.crackercreations.net. I would post a pic here, but am having trouble posting pics due to my slow a** dial up connection here at home...........

do you know where to get the 1000 denier cordura mossy oak camo material.

we can't get it anymore... do you have a name and number?

Stoked: 
Your Vest is the Ugly Dog Kevlar Vest.  It is our economy kevlar vest.  It only has one layer of kevlar.  If you want more protection, I suggest getting the Guardian Kevlar vest.  You have the option of 2, 3, or 4 layers of kevlar sandwiched betweeb 2 layers of Cordura.  We get postive feedback on this vest all the time.  Also the Devastator vest has 3 layers of kevlar in the neck and chest areas between 2 layers of cordura and the body has 2 layers kevlar between 2 of cordura. 
No vest is unpuncturable.  If it saved your dogs life then it did its job!  (WBUSA)

i've looked at all the vests on uglydog... ive hunted around them and agree that the guardian and devastator are great vests. i just can't make myself spend $180. I like my economy kevlar vest, i just can't believe it got cut through that soon/ easy. i just don't understand how mike and them have been running 1 layer of kevlar and a couple other materials excluding viper cloth and they have been on 200+ trophy boars without a single cut through. This was why i was asking which grade of kevlar you guys are using. Ill probably end up buying a devastator or elimator if that is what it takes to keep my dogs safe. I just thought you can run less layers with good grade treated kevlar. i don't want a bunch of weight on my catch dog, we hunt around a lot of water. a vest like that could be dangerous for my bulldog if he got in the water and i couldn't get to the bay. i haven't tried the viper cloth because it's thick and stiff. i would only be able to run 1 layer of that. the dogs don't wanna roll if they can't move. they start coming back early and don't wanna leave. it's hard enough far em as thick as it is. the last hunt i got out the boat and called a few dogs out because they had been on a long run and i nearly wanted to cry when i saw the crap they were coming through. those poor dogs are so tough.

from what i understand, the kevlar is still better. viper cloth feels a lot thicker which lead people to believe its better. kevlar is more cut proof and lighter on your dogs. a lot of people buy by feel which is not always better.

i was talking to mike about the viper cloth and people are saying good things about it. he said they havent had enough experience with it yet to really speak too highly about it. he did say that his new vests are what he is now running on his dogs and that he will bet money against his 3 or 4 layer vests against these 6 or 7 layer vests with 3 or more layers of kevlar. he said jake's vests have never been cut through, and they have caught a ton of trophy boars. he took 6 or so years of hunting those vests and made his own which are basically a hybrid of jakes that are modified with better features that they didnt like about the other vests.

Just wondering if anybody knows what grade of kevlar ugly dog ranch is using. I like my vest, but it did get cut through pretty early. I think the vest is 4 layers which should have been plenty. This shouldn't have happened. However, it did same my dogs life. I think the vest is made well..they don't fall apart.

(4 layer vest. Outer layer: 1050 Denier Nylon Ballistic. Inner layers: Dupont Kevlar, Ripstop, 1050 Denier Nylon Ballistic material. Comes standard with high neck that overlaps the cut collar and protective leg flaps/sleeves. Two neck straps, three body straps, nickel plated hardware, and refletive strips on each side. Light weight and flexible with full body coverage.)

I know there are many different types of kevlar, which is why im asking this question.

I know Jake, with southern cross, runs a lot of 600 that's treated I believe. I've heard water can break it down. Jake's vests have taken a lot of abuse and haven't been cut through.

I know Micheal Spiehler has his new vest out, and Says they are the same or better than Jake's.  Just got off the phone with him and he's running 850+ treated kevlar. I believe that you don't have to have 4 layers of kevlar if you have the right kevlar and other materials.

So anyway, here's a few pics.

hope the girl is ok. anybody that will shoot a poor dog needs their head kicked in. hope you guys find them and get justice!

glad yall had a good hunt. sounds like fishing in a fish tank. take care of those shoats! but.....for crying out loud, get them out of your trunk!! ha ha.....

dogs all doing real well. think they'll be ready a little sooner than expected, maybe 2 weeks.

Dang good hog man. That is one big son of a gun.  sounds like you got some dang good dogs too.  I like a dog that will stick with one like that.  Hope all the dogs heal up fine.

just went back and watched your video when yall bayed that hog on the hill that got in the creek or river. the one where you had 3 dogs on that pig (two curs and a plottxcur). those dogos would have came in handy last night.

thanks guys and gals, i'm going back to bed. im beat..

had to get up and go get meds for the dogs. just passed by my buddies to post the pics.

hope yall enjoyed em. dogs are all doing well and will be fine. I need new cut vests.

that boar cut through the uglydog black vest with red straps, w/ 1 layer of kevlar. i think it's 5-6 layers total. the one that overlaps the neck w/ the white reflector strips that was like $120. it saved my dog though..