IMO, if you want pups like this you dang sure are not going to find them by asking the questions you are asking. IMO, you sound like you just want a good puppy and don't want to train it? People that raise these types of dogs and have these types of dogs will not just sell them to anyone. So you have to get to know the people and there dogs before you can get this type of bloodline. You sound as if you are desperate and you will do whatever it takes to get one. You can watch the board for people that hunt these dogs and get to know them and then you might find a pup. If I had pups, I would be leary of the way you are demanding to want to know where these pups are? If you already have one then you know where you got that one? Maybe they have some more? Just my opinion.
