Still waiting to hear anyone say whether or not they have any uniformity of working ability or style. I got to watch two of them work recently and they were real nice dogs. I don't know enough about cow dogs to have made a good honest assessment but I do know they didn't seem to understand ther was more cows on the top of the Mesa. One cowboy rode to the top with one dog to push those cows to the bunch. Once he was shown the cows it was a good display of dog work though.
These were litter mates heavy to the kelpie side and looked as good as they worked but I don't know how much "huntemup" they had becuase I was a guest and didn't wanna ask rude questions.
So, are they just hard collies? Or, do they have something more?
T-Bob,
I can't answer the question about the Hangin Tree dogs, but in reference to the BC and not enough hunt... I am about to make the following cross. It may be a colossal mistake, but I know what I am looking for, and hope that I can have plenty of bite, some legs under them. Something that will work both ends, and have enough hunt to find cattle on small woods properties, and enough handle for pen work. I guess if they don't work, I can always put them in a baypen a couple evenings and sell them as started hog dogs.

Chip - bred by William Hetzal, rough as a cob on cattle, no hunt to him, but has a good outrun, smart as a whip, and a good handle.

Ruby - Pancho x Brandy ( Winchester x Tweety ) More range than most want in a dog, a little slower on track, yips on track, hard on stock, but too soft on handle. Crack a whip and she's looking for the truck.
