http://www.easttexashogdoggers.com/forum/index.php?topic=54817.msg374003#msg374003I recomend getting your moneys worth and try one of these. I had an ugly dog 4 layer titan that got cut to hell with poke throughs and and a cut up neck on my dog. First time out with that vest $300+ dollars later for the vest and $300 for the vet. A buddy let me use one his seatbelt vest and theres absolutly no comparison not to mention half the price. I sold that vest to a guy I used to hunt with even after I told I would never run it again. Just cause it said ugly dog on it I guess. Kevlar will stop a boar tooth but when you cover it with cordura it just falls apart after a cut.