My parents have never paddled any of us kids and we've all turned out well mannered and very respectful. My pops use to give us a look that would just scare the you know what out of us and we would stop what we were doing & never do it again. Or he would sit us down and talk to us.
I know some kids like you just described. Give them a good hard look and they straighten up. My oldest boy is like that . All you have to do is put a good guilt trip on him and he is good for a couple of weeks. But my youngest is the exact opposite. He is a clone of me when I was young. He's hyper active, extremely smart, hard headed, bad temper and prone to really mess up if he gets bored. If it was'nt for many belts at home and paddles at school then I know I probably whould have ended up in prison. When I was a kid it was understood between all of the parents of my friends and I that if one of us messed up then the other parents could whoop us too and nobody had a problem with it and I took plenty of spankings from my friends parents. I guess maybe the parents all knew eachother very well and trusted eachother. Schools want to expel children for everything now. I would rather my kids take a couple licks with a paddle and go back to class than get expelled from school for a week.