Probably best that you guys stay away from them. If you don't understand them and how to use them just don't get them. If your getting them killed, your doing something or multiple things very wrong. Most people will not be able to analyze why they are failing with them but that same person might very well be able to wrap their head around a different style of hunting dog. Probably best to let they people who successfully run such dogs in question, answere the question.
He said RCD not finder holder, there's more than one kind of rcd and more than one way to use them
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Glad at least YOU realize. Might try telling that to your buddy Ruben since he is the one trying to answere the man's question by using them. He clearly knows jack about them but is all to happy to talk about them as if he does. Even if he did once own some kinda lurcher, that don't give you the right to compare junk in one breed or type to the better of another. Another thing while I'm at it, if you are one of the ones that fail at doing something when others do it extremely successfully, do you really think that person should be so eager to drag such into the discussion as if they are experts on them. Especially since you yourself just said it isn't the same thing? I wasn't the one that brought them to try to answere the man's question. Matter of fact I didn't answere the question question because you are right, Finder holders and RCDs are not the same thing. Did this deliberately because I don't have RCDs and never have.
However Leif, since the man asked about RCDs finding their own pigs and since you are so quick to tell me This ain't the same as a finder holder, how about telling me the difference between an RCD that finds its own pigs and a Finder Holder since your trying to educate me on it!
I have seen some that were excellent hunters with a ton of grit...enough that I knew I didn't want any of that type...they were mt cur crossed with pit bull...every now and then you would get one that was about the right balance of traits from each parent...but most didn't live very long...the mt curs were from my line I used to keep...
I don't want a RCD or Lurcher type but I do want a great hunting dog with just enough sense to not be suicidal...catch enough to stop one and back off if the hog will keep still and when I get there I can call the dog to back away or I can give the command to catch it again...that is the goal...the average sight hound probably won't have the nose or the ability to find and stick with a bad runner in the thick thick briar patches and thick cutovers...
black streak...now I know the meaning behind the handle. there seems to be a dark side about you...you write like you are the total expert on the subject. Like liefalwepon said...there are many styles of running catch dogs and I was speaking of one type and that type I do not recommend...these are the hard hunting type that will get deep and not come back because they have one thing in mind and that is to catch a hog...these dogs can have a short life span due to over heating, drowning or by a big bad boar...these dogs hunting drive is about the same as a good hunting dog such as a good hound or mt cur...they will go deep, get deep under a briar patch where someone can not go in easily and scenarios of these types can get a dog in trouble...must I go into more detail so you can understand what I am talking about...true I do not know much about your style of dog but if I were into them I would strive to have the best and breed in that direction...
How many generations of tight bred dogs of this type have you bred and do they breed true? it is highly unlikely that you get a high percentage of great dogs unless you lucked into someone else's hard work and now you are the know it all expert on how every pup will turn out and I suppose you have grasped it well and have wrapped your head around it...because I reckon all your pups have it in their DNA to automatically know to stay clear of the cutters...what about getting in the thick brush such as blackberry patch 5 acres around after a hog, and can not maneuver in it...well your dogs won't get cut in that situation probably because you don't have a dog with that type of determination to get deep in the briar patch to locate and catch that hog...how about when the hog makes it into a deep dry creek with steep banks and the dog gets pinned between the hog and the bank or between another dog and bank? maybe you have never had your dogs in that situation...a dog can get caught up in that scenario but I reckon your dogs are magical according to your expert opinion...
when you say what you say about your dogs makes me think you have been lucky or are in denial.
What you need to do is understand the question before you speak so you won't have to sound so arrogant... or maybe I just need to give more detail so you can understand what I am talking about due to your lack of experience...
a few weeks ago you made a comment about me not getting to the point and I thought to myself...look who is calling the kettle black...
Your the one that answered the rcd question the guy asked and used sight hounds and lurcher in your answere which you have no experience with, only your perception. Your the one who comments on everything under the sun as if your the forum expert on ever topic brought up. Now your a self appointed expert on the dogs I run. Your arogance has no bounds! I comment on things i know, not what i speculate to be true. Been lots of interest in dogs such as mine lately on this forum and a lot of compare and contrast descussions about such dogs as mine or ones that hunt similar in style so yeah I've had lots of opportunities speak but you don't find me talking on topics that are out of my relm of good solid knowledge like you are doing. Heck you didn't even answere the guys question. You just felt compelled to give a negative opinion on the guys question and told him how you do things. He didn't ask how you did it since you don't run rcd's now did he. You don't know squat about sight hounds and lurcher but you in your ramblings that never answered the mans question, sure managed to make sure and put your negative spin on them too. You share some decent info on certain things now and then but you ain't know where near the genius you make yourself out to be on everything you think you are. You know more than I, on certain things but not all things. My dogs is one area you have way over reached. You haven't a clue as to how good pig sight hounds and lurches hold. You think they are just a fast bulldog lol. BS like this and your lack of knowledge about such dogs is very apparent to me when you try to talk about them. Made very much apparent by comments such as, that they don't do good when chasing pigs in thick thick brush. You don't understand how such dogs operate. What the heck about such dogs leads you to believe they will be needing to chase pigs in thick brush. Your dogs might chase them in brush but dogs such as mine will have them caught before the chase is initiated. There are exceptions but no worries, this is where everything about the dogs come together in keeping it safe. If you don't understand this, I rest my case about you not knowing these such dogs.
You have made claims that you think the rough dogs and dogs like mine will probably be the future. I told you no they would not be. Why do I not think they will be? It's because of self appointed experts like you who don't understand such dogs insist on trying to educate people about them. Because people look up to you do to your knowledge in other areas, doesn't mean it carries over to everything, yet when people like you comment on things like this, others take it as factual. Thus this type of dog will not be understood by most thanks in large part to people like you.
It's more than just the breed of dog but a lot of traits in certain breeds help to bring about the entire package in such dogs both mental and physical characteristics. When I get to the catch I don't just go in and stab or tie. I watch and I video and I watch video. I spend lots of time looking at what the dogs are doing, their different styles of holding, the effectiveness of the different styles, what vest suits the individuals style of holding and also which breeds predominantly hold in which style. I've done this even before I had the dogs I do now. I'm not just talking about things I imagine are taking place or that I just speculate on. I'm purposely setting back and watching and videoing for my own personal knowledge about my dogs which also allows me to properly educate others that are curious about my dogs rather than regurgitating 2nd info or just stuff I've read in a book. Can you say you have done as I do with dogs such as mine or dogs that hunt in a similar fashion, no you can not! Yet by listening to you, you would certainly think so.
Sir, you want to call it luck that I lucked into such dogs or you want to know if I tight line bred them and have a long history with these auch dogs. It didn't take me years upon years to get where I am and the knowledge that I have about dogs. It's easy for me. Not my fault it to you so long. Guess we would just call you slow and steady. As in dogs, some progress faster than others. Some people take to certain things like a duck to water while others struggle to make sense of it. We don't all learn at the same rate and some take things a lot farther than others can fathem, that's just the nature of things. We do not all accell at the same rate. I realize the tendency to want to undermine a person for their knowledge because you have so much more time invested. The short time it took me to get where I'm at you can look at in two ways but it changes nothing on my end.
How does me knowing how to line breed these dogs play into me being able to have such dogs or pertain to my knowledge about them. You trying to draw me into a tight line breeding discussion is just your way of trying to make up for your incompetency about dogs such as mine. Same goes for your comment about my handle on here. You veering off to such childishness is very telling about your ignorance to such dogs and you are scratching trying to do your best to make me look bad while trying to save face on this topic.
I'll bite though as I'm not the front you just took me for. Tell me what characteristics and gualities you would choose to get dogs that are sight hound based that hunt and catch their own pigs and do so while staying so injury free. And to make things interesting since your such a dog breeding no it all and sight hound and lurcher expert, our dog will where nothing but a cut collar it's entire life. Please tell me with all your infenint knowledge about dogs such as these, what you would breed to get this dog that hunts and catches and lives a long life in nothing but a cut collar.
I promise I can answere my own question because of my knowledge about such dogs but you self appointed expert, here is your chance to prove to me and everyone one else you know as much about these kinda dogs as I do! Good luck!
