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« Reply #40 on: August 01, 2011, 11:08:40 am » |
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heres my 2 cents on this thread... blue dogs to some extent have been around for a long time but they were /are rare in game bred dogs typically.now the dogs i saw many years ago that we called blue were more of a seal i guess but as someone else said earlier you can make color pretty easy in the breed if color is the focus. and someone also said amstaffs were bred to apbts to make the blue dogs. well all amstaffs trace back to apbts. do a ped search and go back far enough and you will find great pit dogs behind every single amstaff. and as for game dogs being a thing of the past i wouldnt say that as a law is just a law,lol. heck i see ads etc for all this mayday offspring and a friend of mine owns all the frozen mayday semen today. and as for gameness being spoke of. in the apbts/pitdogs it meant one thing and one thing only and that was against his own kind. now that being said i do feel there is another use of the word game and that is to me being game relative to the job/task the animal is being used in. so if you want to catch butterflys and your dog never quits a butterfly then hes game in that venue. same goes for catching hogs. but to say a dog that stays/is game on a hog is the same thing as a dog proovin it in the pit is just not true. only my opinion
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« Reply #41 on: August 01, 2011, 11:29:02 am » |
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heres my 2 cents on this thread... blue dogs to some extent have been around for a long time but they were /are rare in game bred dogs typically.now the dogs i saw many years ago that we called blue were more of a seal i guess but as someone else said earlier you can make color pretty easy in the breed if color is the focus. and someone also said amstaffs were bred to apbts to make the blue dogs. well all amstaffs trace back to apbts. do a ped search and go back far enough and you will find great pit dogs behind every single amstaff. and as for game dogs being a thing of the past i wouldnt say that as a law is just a law,lol. heck i see ads etc for all this mayday offspring and a friend of mine owns all the frozen mayday semen today. and as for gameness being spoke of. in the apbts/pitdogs it meant one thing and one thing only and that was against his own kind. now that being said i do feel there is another use of the word game and that is to me being game relative to the job/task the animal is being used in. so if you want to catch butterflys and your dog never quits a butterfly then hes game in that venue. same goes for catching hogs. but to say a dog that stays/is game on a hog is the same thing as a dog proovin it in the pit is just not true. only my opinion
x2...I agree I now own a red red nosed pup that is a so called game bred pup and his sire and dam are weight pulling champions and this pup I know will catch and he acts just like I like them...He might not be dead game on another apbt but I am willing to bet he will be on a big boar...
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« Reply #42 on: August 01, 2011, 11:55:26 am » |
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Underdog you was right them 2 blues could be twinky's.  I don't know what twinkys are but they sure look alot alike.....I woulda swore it was the same dog going by the pics... Here is old blue. Don't know how he is made up but he has has a good grip.  Ole "Red" 
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« Reply #43 on: August 01, 2011, 12:07:08 pm » |
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thanks everybody for the help on identiying a game dog .according to everybodys ad such as rueben,bigchris,ethhunters,tcolt,broadhead and tmatt i must have a rare blue pit and she meets the standards of a game dog.i know for a fact she is a game dog because she came from a guy who uses game dogs for game reasons and she is one of my best catchdogs.i have only been able to keep her with the male you see in my pic next to her anything else around her she tears up.
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« Reply #44 on: August 01, 2011, 02:56:38 pm » |
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. and as for gameness being spoke of. in the apbts/pitdogs it meant one thing and one thing only and that was against his own kind. now that being said i do feel there is another use of the word game and that is to me being game relative to the job/task the animal is being used in. so if you want to catch butterflys and your dog never quits a butterfly then hes game in that venue. same goes for catching hogs. but to say a dog that stays/is game on a hog is the same thing as a dog proovin it in the pit is just not true. only my opinion
That was the point I was trying to make. Good posting
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« Reply #45 on: August 02, 2011, 07:32:54 am » |
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Reuben, just remember the only true dead game dogs are dead. With that said, let's hope your dog never has to prove to he dead game.
Gary fuller, your right, gameness in the sense that it is used now days is relative. Gameness is the willingness to continue the task at hand no matter the amount of punishment received or how tired the dog is. Most of the time the thing that will show that a dog is willing to quit or prove that he is not game is fatigue, not injury, just simple fatigue.
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« Reply #46 on: August 02, 2011, 08:07:59 am » |
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Most of the time the thing that will show that a dog is willing to quit or prove that he is not game is fatigue, not injury, just simple fatigue.
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gary fuller
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« Reply #47 on: August 02, 2011, 09:49:16 am » |
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tmatt, i absolutely agree with you on the fatigue deal. ive seen more catchdogs come off a hog from being knocked around slammed and just wore out compared to ones that come off due to bein cut.
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« Reply #48 on: August 02, 2011, 04:30:19 pm » |
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bignasty, them are the bully type that over heat if left outside for more than 30 minutes...  i HATE the bully type...where im at almost every dog has the blue bully crossed into them...ugh..i cant find a dog with it not in them. i have to go up to three hrs away for it. i personally dont use blues.. i guess because im just tired of bully being in them... Now a days people are doing bad breeding too...most dogs i ahve seen that have bloue bully in them are very dog aggressive..just from what ive personally seen..  no offense to anyone who lieks them. i just dont.
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Reuben
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« Reply #49 on: August 02, 2011, 05:51:43 pm » |
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If I remember correctly,
I read where the english bulldog used to look like a modern day medium boned pitbull and now they need assistance during breeding and usually a c-section for pup delivery and they need AC to keep from overheating. Some might say they have a few that don't but it is more the norm...
I see the Bully type leaning more toward this type of dog. I reckon fatigue gets this type of dog if it is not in tip top condition.
I am not a pit bull expert but I know a good one when I see it and know what it is supposed to do.
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