Farm Bureau

[cantexduck]

I am for landowners rights. My dog going on some ones property doesn't give me the right to jump a fence. If you can't keep your dog on land you can access then don't hunt there. I know outlaws will always be outlaws. This way at least they won't have an excuse when they get caught. I work a full time job for an explosive company and work part time one two high fence ranches. No one has any right to be on our place . I don't care what they are doing. With 100000 worth of exotics we don't want some guy coming in and leaving a gate open or climbing our fence snapping wires.

[Wmwendler]

People who don't have the ba!!s to police themselves are the ones that need the government to do it for them.  The outlaws will always be outlaws, they dont need an excuse.  Its the honest man that gets burned by big government and situations like this.

Waylon

 

[treeingratterrier]

That's a joke right? Easements are in deeds.  Why would you even include emergency personal? 

No one has the right to come onto my property no matter what the reason may be. Do you let your neighbors walk in your yard?  If your dogs cross the fence call them back or wait. I like the law.

If you have any utility company service they have the right to come upon your property without notice, we have a ranch next to a prison, they have the right to come onto the ranch as well if there is an escape without notice, same way with about any emergency service providers, a surveyor has the right to come onto your property if it is over a boundary survey, a member of a water district inspection or irragation district, a powerline utility has the right to come upon your property to acess another memebers property, a state judge can order the sheriff or land division commissioners to go upon your property to divide up a undivided ranch between the owners who are in dispute, all of these have legal rights to enter, harassing, locking them out blocking the road etc etc is a felony in some cases, try locking out a game warden, they get to cut locks all the time over this mistaken idea that no one has the right to enter others property without permssion or notice???  Maybe you meant your neighbors or something i missed in these posts??

  Fire department has the legal right to enter without permission, are they emergency yes or no, you are clearly not aware of the law in Texas, how about when the jets over hear crash and the US Navy drive over or cut the gates to reach a plane crash on a deer ranch, there are many legal reasons and protected by jail time and fines from interferring with emergency personell, just because a deer fence is up does not have anything to do with their right to enter your property without permission, look it up in the Texas penal codes if you dont believe me,   we have had 911 mapping people as well enforce this right to map the buildings on the ranch and prison guards have the right to enter our ranch and map barns houses structures in case of a prison break, has nothing to do with a easment, its Texas law and you know what they say on those signs "Dont Mess with Tecksus!!!LOL"  I dont like it either but it is the law

[dub]

I am for landowners rights. My dog going on some ones property doesn't give me the right to jump a fence. If you can't keep your dog on land you can access then don't hunt there. I know outlaws will always be outlaws. This way at least they won't have an excuse when they get caught. I work a full time job for an explosive company and work part time one two high fence ranches. No one has any right to be on our place . I don't care what they are doing. With 100000 worth of exotics we don't want some guy coming in and leaving a gate open or climbing our fence snapping wires.

The difference is that I can understand your point of view but you can't even understand someone else's. That requires a level of understanding you don't seem capable of.

I am still not a fan of the Farm Bureau.

But also be real careful shooting at people. Even if someone is trespassing in your field you can't shoot them. But if you shoot at them and they feel that their life is in immanent danger they can shoot back and kill you. Then they can only go to jail for trespassing. In Texas not too long ago a man and his wife shot people for trespassing. I do not think they have gone on trial but I would expect the death penalty for the land owners.

[bolo]

I find State Farm very  accomadating.My house  burned a few years ago on a tuesday evening & state farm had a near new mobile home parked in my yard on thursday for me and family to live in while my house was repaired.

[cantexduck]

Dub, thank you for the in sight. I bet you use to want to be a lawyer. Law school is hard. In Texas the castle doctrine gives you the right to use deadly force to protect your person and property. Also covers you to protect your neighbors.
 I am sure most land owners will agree with the law.

[dub]

You better read the castle doctrine again. I did go to law school. I think you need to consult a lawyer to clear it up for you. I paid way too much to for my education to give free advice.

[cantexduck]

Before I go spend my time pulling up case law, what firm do you work for? I mean you did pass the bar ,right?

[tuskbuster]

c duck u would be 1 of the good ole boys every one that does right  inhunting AS long as it pertains to YOUR MAGICAL DOGS.must be boot lickers ?.cause most people i know with HOG DOGS the dogs dont read and dont know what "GET OFF THAT MANS PROPERTY <IGNANT MUTT CANT YOU READ"
 you protect them HIGH dollaR exotits BUT WHEN IT COMES DOWN TO IT .A MAN THAT LOVES HIS DOGS  you won't like him when U get between him and his dogs .looked back all your posts and pretty much u would be a guy I WOULD LOVE 2 GO HUNTIN WITH
sorry ladies and gents of this forum just my feelings  hope i can teach my dogs to read outside a high fence

[sfboarbuster]

I bet the majority of ya'll that are bitching about this dont own the land you are hunting on, do you?

I would bet that if ya'll did, you would have a different opinion on this subject. Sure, it was a nice law to have to be able to get your dogs without asking permission from somebody, but i'm sure it has been abused to where the landowners wanted something done. Doesn't matter if the person lives on it or in the big city, they own it, and it is their right to do what they want with it.

[dub]

Before I go spend my time pulling up case law, what firm do you work for? I mean you did pass the bar ,right?

You are funny. You insult me and many other people then you act like a baby. Clearly you do not have a clue what you are talking about. You obviously do not know me. I stopped trying to impress people a long time ago. Are you in high school or just act like it? I said I see your point and understand it but have a different opinion. You pulled out the law and have it wrong. So I think you should share your legal experience. BTW not everyone goes to law school to be a lawyer. There is a benefit to knowledge and understanding but clearly you would not know that. It was law school that allows me to see things from your point of view however skewed it may be. Maybe if for some reason I ever feel the need to impress you I will list my degrees, where I have worked, and some of the people I have met. But as far as I can tell you are not on the list of people who's opinions matter to me. But at least I understand your opinion about people tespassing and many people hold the same views that you do. I can also respect that opinion.

You do have to have permission to touch anyone's property. I have no problem with then writing tickets either. I speed and if I get a ticket speed then I will pay it. If I get a ticket trespassing I will pay it. I will never get mad at a land owner for telling me no. I even get permission ahead of time to retrieve a deer should it ever be needed. I have been told no and I have the GW's number so I han can assist me in retrieving my deer. I handle things through with the law not against it. I sit around and complain about a lot of laws just ask my wife. But if I like them or not does not matter I will follow them or take my punishment. If I think something is wrong I will fight it in court not on the side of the road or in a field. If you shoot at me expect me to shoot back and I am a pretty good shot. If you trespass expect people not to be happy with you. But if people would just behave in a civil manner then there would not be as many problems. It is the outlaws that cause the problems and they should be the ones in trouble.

I do not see deer hunters getting treated the way dog hunters are treated. I have seen more deer poachers. You are going to tell me high fence ranch worries about dogs more than the other poachers? They can fly helicopters over your land and run the hogs out but I can't go get my dog? I would bet money that if we were sitting down talking about this in person it would make more sense. I think we are all saying the same things from a different view point. I hate the trespassers leaving trash. My problem is with fisherman that don't realize the shore is not public land. But if someone pulls theur boat up and gets off I am not going to shoot them even if they dump trash too. Kids cut through all the time should I shoot them? I don't live there so they can't come knock on my door. I have to pick up their trash and I am not wanting them to even get a ticket. I would like them to pick up their own trash.

[brandeek1]

All this going back n forth is crazy. The law breakers r still gonna trespass even though this law was passed. I can assure u that we will go get our dogs but no fence cutting or gate opening. As for high fences.... How the hell would a dog get n there if u are maintaining them properly to protect your 100000 exotics??? Give me a break and go hug a tree already. Shoot at me buddy for Gettin my dogs n u better b duckin n dodgin cuz I will defend myself n my property right back. The LAW says I can.

[SCHitemHard]

All this going back n forth is crazy. The law breakers r still gonna trespass even though this law was passed. I can assure u that we will go get our dogs but no fence cutting or gate opening. As for high fences.... How the hell would a dog get n there if u are maintaining them properly to protect your 100000 exotics??? Give me a break and go hug a tree already. Shoot at me buddy for Gettin my dogs n u better b duckin n dodgin cuz I will defend myself n my property right back. The LAW says I can.

imo think that post was alittle uncalled for. im not gonna play ref or try and start somethin here but he was just stating his opinion. but you do have a point you can protect yourself UNDER CERTAIN TERMS and the law always has a way with both parties, the law states that use of deadly force can only be used when a intrusion turns to a hostile attack. Also in general, (one) or a variety of conditions must be met before a person can legally use the Castle Doctrine:

-An intruder must be making (or have made) an attempt to unlawfully and/or forcibly enter an occupied residence, business or vehicle.
-The intruder must be acting illegally—e.g. the Castle Doctrine does not give the right to attack officers of the law acting in the course of their legal duties
-The occupant(s) of the home must reasonably believe that the intruder intends to inflict serious bodily harm or death upon an occupant of the home
-The occupant(s) of the home must reasonably believe that the intruder intends to commit some other felony, such as arson or burglary
-The occupant(s) of the home must not have provoked or instigated an intrusion, or provoked or instigated an intruder to threaten or use deadly force
-The occupant(s) of the home may be required to attempt to exit the house or otherwise retreat (this is called the "Duty to retreat" and most self-defense statutes referred to as examples of "Castle Doctrine" expressly state that the homeowner has no such duty) *(copied from a law site)*

In other words if im carefully but casually making my way to your house with a cd in tow to ask you permission if i can retrieve my dog that i trained from a pup and dont wanna lose it. and you shoot me before asking questions and thinkin that im up to no good. i hope you would kill me with the first shot

carry on

[dub]

Oops would that mean if you shoot someone picking things out of cow poop you are not protected? It is also not for you to decide. First the DA decides what they think. If they disagree you go to court. Do you know how much it costs to get a lawyer for pre trial work. If you go to court it will not be cheap even if you win. You better believe that if you don't shoot you will be dead if not you will be broke and maybe in prison.

In Texas if you shoot at someone you have met all the requirements for thier defense if they kill you.

[Circle C]

I think this thread has run its course....

If yall want to continue arguing take it up in private.