NO PAPERS

[Hog Dog Mike]

Here is my question for you. Let's say he did give you the papers how do you know they are correct? All you have is word that is how the dogs are bred. For that matter the sire or dam or both might have had some phantom breeding. The only positive way is to have them DNA tested and I betcha that did not happen.

Lots of folks got in trouble with this some time back in the bird dog breeding business. They came up with the DNA testing and come to find out some of the hot shot famous breeders were selling dogs that were not bred as advertised.

I used to run alot of bird dogs and the absolute best bred (on papers) dog I ever owned was the sorriest dog I ever owned. With proper breeding that dog could have set bird dogs back 50 years. I gave him away and regret not shooting him for the good of the breed.

If you got a good dog be well pleased and I would not hesitate to breed him. Also just because one dog is good does not mean that they are a prepotent sire.

[uglydog]

WEll I am Sorry that you went through t he ordeal and you probably paid more for a dog with papers not because its better dog but because the dog had a good lineage that you were counting on.

I pay more for PAPERS. NOT BECAUSE I AM BREEDING PAPERS, go look in classifieds and before yall start making comments, but because I want do alot of research and put alot of faith the WORKING Dogs in thats dogs pedigree to shine through because I have already REsearched and know that those dogs produce and will be an assett to my pack of DOGS for along time to come.

SO IF I DO BUY a DOG, YOU know I either really liked it on its performance, its families performance or it sure done something to make me like it.

I hate you got taken by a smooth talker and it happens to alot of folks more often then they want to admit.

[rspivey]

I tend to agree with what most folks have said about the "paper" thing. I tried for about six months to teach mine to read but they never did take to it. If I had been the man that you bought the dog from and did not have the puppy papers ,I would have at least sat down and written you out a four or five generation pedigree so you would have something to look at while you waited on your papers to arrive in the mail. I put more stock in a breeder who can sit down and hand write a pedigree, than one who has to wait for a registry to put it together for them.

[Texasreaper86]

If he didnt have the papers ready when you came to get the pup, u should've paid half, other half on receipt of the papers

x2

Either way I understand where your coming from wanting to breed your dog for the papers but at the same time if you plan to hunt Id consentrate on the steak and not the peas a good dog is worth more than a dog that wont hunt and has papers. JMO

[noljohn]

Didn't realize this was going to cause such a stir. To start out with I didn't get what I paid for. If I was really worried about papers I wouldn't have accepted the pup when I went to pick him up. Really wasn't planning on breeding him either but i would like to know what his breeding was. I use him for blood trailing. I've had bird dogs, labs, and coon hunted for about 15 years pretty heavy, this is the best dog I've ever had. If the jeep leaves the yard he is in the front seat. By the way he saved me a deer this year trailed him about 1/4 mile. I agree with you guys if the dog is any good I wouldn't be worried about papers.  I was just trying to give someone a heads up if they were buying from that area. 

[TexasHogDogs]

I dont blame you for being pissed off if the man sold you the dog with papers he should deliver .  Glad you dont breed dogs just because of the pretty papers.

[Scott]

WEll I am Sorry that you went through t he ordeal and you probably paid more for a dog with papers not because its better dog but because the dog had a good lineage that you were counting on.

I pay more for PAPERS. NOT BECAUSE I AM BREEDING PAPERS, go look in classifieds and before yall start making comments, but because I want do alot of research and put alot of faith the WORKING Dogs in thats dogs pedigree to shine through because I have already REsearched and know that those dogs produce and will be an assett to my pack of DOGS for along time to come.

SO IF I DO BUY a DOG, YOU know I either really liked it on its performance, its families performance or it sure done something to make me like it.

I hate you got taken by a smooth talker and it happens to alot of folks more often then they want to admit.

x2

Id consentrate on the steak and not the peas a good dog is worth more than a dog that wont hunt and has papers. JMO

And a dog with both (good dog with papers) can be a cornerstone to keep you in good dogs for a good long while.

"Papers" aren't as important as the pedigree...

[Bryant]

I have papers on every dog in my kennels....they're just not on any fancy letterhead.

If your breeding dogs with a purpose other than trying to score some cash, then lineage can be VERY important.

[TexasHogDogs]

I agree Bryant the lineage is very important.  I call it a road map of your dogs and it is a road map to how you want to breed your dogs and in which direction you want to go and end up .  Another reason I call it a road map is because it can lead you to great things if read right and if not read right it can lead you to the chit can the same way as a road map read it right it takes you right were you want to go, read it wrong and you end up in Bum Humped Egypt scratching your head .

[TexasHogDogs]

Here is my question for you. Let's say he did give you the papers how do you know they are correct? All you have is word that is how the dogs are bred. For that matter the sire or dam or both might have had some phantom breeding. The only positive way is to have them DNA tested and I betcha that did not happen.

Lots of folks got in trouble with this some time back in the bird dog breeding business. They came up with the DNA testing and come to find out some of the hot shot famous breeders were selling dogs that were not bred as advertised.

I used to run alot of bird dogs and the absolute best bred (on papers) dog I ever owned was the sorriest dog I ever owned. With proper breeding that dog could have set bird dogs back 50 years. I gave him away and regret not shooting him for the good of the breed.

If you got a good dog be well pleased and I would not hesitate to breed him. Also just because one dog is good does not mean that they are a prepotent sire.

So True Hog Dog Mike So True !!!!!!!!!!!!!  The Truth Will Set You Free !!!  LOL

[YELLOWBLACKMASK]

Would set store more to a man that sat down and scribbled out the lineage on a piece of notebook paper from memory than a legally certified frameable document.

[TexasHogDogs]

Would set store more to a man that sat down and scribbled out the lineage on a piece of notebook paper from memory than a legally certified frameable document.

[bucsniper]

so if he turns into the best hog dog ever, your not breeding him? wrong , try again.