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« Reply #40 on: January 02, 2012, 05:24:07 pm » |
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What you guys call running catch dogs is all that I have ever owned (apart from a few sheep dogs etc etc and until the curs). I'm 38 and have hunted since my parents would let me go.
Here are my thougths - if you give those dogs enough work there'll be some that learn to avoid the pointy bits by holding clean and working the side of the pig ("stag" type crosses seem to learn this better than most) On the size of the properties that buddy lee hunts I don't see it being a problem if the dogs are straight catch.. Yes you will stop a lot of pigs running. Its best if the dogs get to the pig roughly at the same time and they have to be fast. Garmins also help a lot and allow you to get there quicker these days.
The Kiwis love "arse enders" and breed for that trait in the mountains as they feel it stops pigs running. To me and to my mates leg biters are culls...fullstop....some people don't mind...but we have an export meat market and dogs biting legs can cost you a lot of pigs.
Also seems to be this thought that australia is all open country and the hunting is easy...well there is that but our type of finder holder dogs still get a lot of pigs in very thick scrub and in mountains....
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agree, im hunting the nasty mountains in oz, were u never see the pigs, dogs work hard just to find a pig than gotta stop it,most of the dogs i have ownd were straight catch, finder holder, they get the job done in the thick stuff, run em in good plates with the garmin n they will b fine get a few pokes n cut but thats hunting .  need some bullarabs, lol |
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« Reply #41 on: January 02, 2012, 05:38:06 pm » |
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dont mind the rear end stopers they have a place in the thick jungle country, only to stop or sit a pig, once stopped should bail or hold the front end, this type of dog is real handy , but is not classed as finder holder or straight catch ,
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« Reply #42 on: January 02, 2012, 06:52:00 pm » |
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Warrent, you sound a lot like the ranchers I first started hunting for... Being cowboys they obviously prefer a head dog... For cattle that's fine, plenty of soft bits to grab aholt of... A boar hog is a different story however...
A portion of my dogs exhibit pure "head" instinct, an ingrained characteristic of most quality cowdogs... A HUGE fault with a pure head dogs, as I have experienced however, is the "ear-tunnel vision" that can get in the way... Time and time again I've watched dogs run beside a hog.... bouncing off the hog shoulder to shoulder, oblivious to anything but THAT EAR...
What i prefer is a dog that will grab WHATEVER is closest to make a hog stand and fight..... Then face up and wait for the backup to arrive... If a hamstring happens to get ripped out in the process, that's fine by me...
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« Reply #43 on: January 02, 2012, 08:02:48 pm » |
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What you guys call running catch dogs is all that I have ever owned (apart from a few sheep dogs etc etc and until the curs). I'm 38 and have hunted since my parents would let me go.
Here are my thougths - if you give those dogs enough work there'll be some that learn to avoid the pointy bits by holding clean and working the side of the pig ("stag" type crosses seem to learn this better than most) On the size of the properties that buddy lee hunts I don't see it being a problem if the dogs are straight catch.. Yes you will stop a lot of pigs running. Its best if the dogs get to the pig roughly at the same time and they have to be fast. Garmins also help a lot and allow you to get there quicker these days.
The Kiwis love "arse enders" and breed for that trait in the mountains as they feel it stops pigs running. To me and to my mates leg biters are culls...fullstop....some people don't mind...but we have an export meat market and dogs biting legs can cost you a lot of pigs.
***I'm very much interested in keeping the pigs alive and well for different reasons. I'm trying to keep "ear dogs". I was kinda thinking like yourself in regards to dogs working close to me and each other along with the Garmins keeping tabs on dogs location and movement. Interested in running vest but unsure of using them in the heat and humidity.
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« Reply #44 on: January 02, 2012, 08:20:22 pm » |
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I finally got a free minute to put my two cents in on this. I like a dog that will bite the rear to stop a running hog. If he is eating on a hogs nuts 99% of the time that hog is going to stop and fight to protect them. BUT, once the hog stops I want a dog in his face baying, nowhere else. I don't want him behind the hog barking. And when/if the dog catches, he better be on the ear/head. I don't want a dog to catch anywhere but the head.
I hunted rough catchy dogs for 20+ years, paid lots of money to vets, sewed and stapled dogs and was out of commission for weeks at a time due to cut up dogs. Now I want a dog rough enough to stop a hog, but with enough sense to know what he can catch/handle by himself. I don't want a suicidal dog that just catches any big hog with no help. Thats what CD's are for in my mind, to protect your find and bay dogs.
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« Reply #45 on: January 03, 2012, 08:30:32 am » |
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Warrent, you sound a lot like the ranchers I first started hunting for... Being cowboys they obviously prefer a head dog... For cattle that's fine, plenty of soft bits to grab aholt of... A boar hog is a different story however...
A portion of my dogs exhibit pure "head" instinct, an ingrained characteristic of most quality cowdogs... A HUGE fault with a pure head dogs, as I have experienced however, is the "ear-tunnel vision" that can get in the way... Time and time again I've watched dogs run beside a hog.... bouncing off the hog shoulder to shoulder, oblivious to anything but THAT EAR...
What i prefer is a dog that will grab WHATEVER is closest to make a hog stand and fight..... Then face up and wait for the backup to arrive... If a hamstring happens to get ripped out in the process, that's fine by me...
My friends back home say the same thing about me soundin more and more like my dad and uncles every day and I just only turned 40  Good point you make there and it definitely has cost me hogs, but being a bit old fashioned, it's a trait we take pride in. Again, I don't mind them "nippin" the ass or tail to make one wheel, especially when there lined out behind one in thick palmettos or gallberries, or anything thick for that matter, but I just don't want them tearin one up. If they can get up along the side and up to the front, I want to see them grab the ear or jowls and snatch the hog back. As you stated though, it doesn't always happen that way. You represent us Floridians well on here. Catch 'um up  |
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« Reply #46 on: January 03, 2012, 08:39:21 am » |
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Curdog352, is that your area code I've got good friends in Ocala/Williston area. Don't have any breedings planned soon. Hell, its hard for me to even get a pup when my family decides to breed |
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« Reply #47 on: January 08, 2012, 11:08:33 am » |
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Warrent, yes 352 is my area code. I live in Williston as well. I got this female off of a guy I know and to me she resembled that black and white dog I seen in one of your pictures. I was just wondering if you had any pups around this area, that she could be the same bloodline as your dogs. He said he'd sell me her brother who is apparently catches like a freight train.
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« Reply #50 on: January 08, 2012, 03:35:34 pm » |
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As a matter of fact I do, that 'un there and her brother. What's up kooks Look's like Cody's boot tips in the pic and that's definitely his truck. |
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« Reply #51 on: January 08, 2012, 05:43:41 pm » |
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good lookin bulldog you got there Curdog352
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« Reply #52 on: January 09, 2012, 07:01:31 pm » |
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Thanks Dwest. Here's her brother. Ol Warren thought I got rid of those fine dogs he gave me lol.  s/aa356/hogdog5/Catlin033.jpg[/IMG]  |
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« Reply #54 on: January 09, 2012, 07:05:14 pm » |
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Another decent Mallory Swamp boar hog  |
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« Reply #55 on: January 09, 2012, 08:00:59 pm » |
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Curdog352, we ought to meet up and stretch one out, I live in trenton
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« Reply #56 on: January 09, 2012, 08:42:16 pm » |
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We should. Do you hunt Mallory Swamp any? Honestly that's like the only place I have except for the ocassional special opppurtunity hunt since I just lost the property I was hunting down the road from me.
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« Reply #57 on: January 09, 2012, 09:01:47 pm » |
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I used to hunt with a feller that ran bird bull cross, ear dogs, straight catch and silent. Caught tons of hogs with them. They worked good together, very rarely got cut, just ran cut collars on them. I think you'll be fine, I say go for it.
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« Reply #58 on: January 09, 2012, 09:51:52 pm » |
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We should. Do you hunt Mallory Swamp any? Honestly that's like the only place I have except for the ocassional special opppurtunity hunt since I just lost the property I was hunting down the road from me.
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« Reply #59 on: January 10, 2012, 05:19:29 pm » |
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Seen some of the Florida guys doing this but I don't personally know anyone that hunts this way. I'm tired of hunting a "pack" of dogs and tired of a walkin catch dog. Thinking of trying to hunt 2 very rough dogs so I'm basically looking for feed back from anyone who has hunted this way. I sometimes hunt from a 4 wheeler and other times walk. I have farmland, clearcuts, swamps and woods to hunt. I am seriously thinking of running a good running cut vest and definately a cut collar. Not interested in a rough dog and a bay dog. Not interested in 2 bays dogs. Interested in hearing pros and cons and suggestions about hunting 2 VERY or straight catch dogs. I realize the that deaths or severe injuries are a distant possibilties.
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