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« on: June 03, 2012, 09:59:03 pm » |
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There are quite a few good deals when buyng and selling dogs...sometimes one gets an outstanding hog dog for almost nothing and sometimes even better...getting one for free...but sometimes a long line of good dogs, not to mention the money that went in to develop the strain...is not appreciated by the potential buyer...for different reasons...some don't realize the labor of love that goes in and some just don't care...
so what are some reasons a seller sells a dog that he mis-represents??? here are a few I can think of...
The seller builds up the dog so he can make a higher profit...
The seller doesn't know what a good hog dog really is...
The seller is just plain sorry and flat out lies...
Big Ben brought up the other side (BUYER) which we do not talk much about but is very true and he makes a very good point...
other reasons why dog deals go bad...
The dog is a good dog for one type of hunting style and not for another type...
EXAMPLE; The hunter buys a dog that is supposed to be one heck of a hog dog that will put a hog at the other end of the tracks...this dog will run miles and hours to get the job done...but the buyer likes to rig or hood hunt and likes a good winding dog that can shut down most hogs and will come back in 20 minutes if he can't stop it...and this is his idea of a good hog dog...
The hunter is not a good hunting dog handler...
EXAMPLE; The dog is used to hunting with his previous handler...this style is one where the handler is on a 4 wheeler and he travels slowly into the wind and crosswind...always observing the dogs and if the dogs are getting excited and looking/trailing the hunter stops and waits on the dogs to get bayed or come back...he is always watching the dogs...if he doesn't see any dogs in a short while he will check the tracker and see if they are bayed or running a track...His concern is always allowing his dogs to hunt at their best...and making sure they maintain good hunting habits...
The new buyer hunts with a 4 wheeler and he is always in a hurry and never takes the time to observe the dogs...the dogs know to take a super hot track because if it is not hot they know to leave it alone and just do there best to keep up with the wheeler...These dogs get tired just from keeping up and do not have the desire to free cast very far...besides...they are always concerned about keeping up...so the dog on trial is not used to this new style and does not do well in this new environment...
The handler is abusive toward the new dog and the dog will not hunt because of this behavior...
What has been some of your experiences and observations???
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Training dogs is not about quantity, it's more about timing, the right situations, and proper guidance...After that it's up to the dog...
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AnthonyB
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« Reply #1 on: June 04, 2012, 02:02:50 am » |
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I will agree with a lot of what you said, and would like to add a little to it. You mentioned how the dog was treated by their new owner, and I think that this plays a huge role in how a dog will behave. Anyone the breeds dogs with a fair amount of intelligence can tell you that a hunter that likes to have an abusive handle on their dogs will never see the full potential of them. I think I can say that a lot of hog hunters are pretty rough on dogs, and if you buy a dog finished or started and beat on it you can't really expect that dog to turn around and work for you, and you will more than likely greatly increase the time it takes that dog to trust you , if it ever does.
Another thing I think may be the case with some is buyer inexperience. Not knowing what to look for in a dog, and not being able to recognize the qualities that they want yet. For example, I sold a finished dog to a younger hunter, reason for sale was that he was open and that's it. After three and a half days he wanted to bring the dog back because he didn't think the dog was hunting the way he wanted him to. Wether it was buyers remorse, inexperience not knowing that three days isn't near long enough to know what a dog will or won't do, or something else I don't know. I told him to keep him until the weekend, about three more days I think, and if he still wanted to bring him back that would be fine. He brought him back the next Friday, and I gave him his money back. I re-listed the dog for sale, and about a week later sold him to an older guy out of state. He wanted to know how I would work the trial since we would not be able to start hunting for a month and a half, told him don't worry about it, if you have any problems just let me know. Two months later he called wanting to know if I had any litter mates or know where he could find them. Two months after that he wanted me to take a trip over and go hunt with him. Needless to say, he was very pleased with the dog. So there you have the same dog, same seller, and two different buyers with two different outcomes. I would contribute that to buyer inexperience. And in no way do I mean any disrespect to the first guy, all were polite when it came to the purchase, pickup, and refund. So it wasn't a bad experience or anything like that, just different outcomes with the two different buyers on the same dog.
Anthony
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« Reply #2 on: June 04, 2012, 02:24:32 am » |
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The basic reason seems to be self serving. Most of the time I have seen it, it was to make themselves "popular". Sometimes it was just plain mean spirited. If they could mislead you and make you walk two blocks out of your way rather than just be straight forward with you they would do it.
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« Reply #3 on: June 04, 2012, 10:10:33 am » |
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The person that you sell a jam up dog to doesn't listen to you and sucks a vest up way to tight, rubs the poor dogs front joints completely raw then talks $h/t about you and the dog leavin rude texts saying how you "got their ass and it wong ever happen again" not 12hrs after you looked em dead in their eyes shook their hand and told em you would buy the dog back no questions asked..........ask me how I know.....
Honestly its the best thing thats happened to me in a while, i had no business sellin him as he hunts his tail off for me and go's farther for the bacon than my other dogs almost every hunt.
"the sun is shining somewhere in texas" -Jason Boland
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"stupids in the water these days, they're gonna drink it anyway." - Chris Knight
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Blue Duck
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« Reply #4 on: June 04, 2012, 07:40:02 pm » |
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All of y'all hit that one on the button! Good topic guys
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Take care of them....they'll take care of you
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Eric
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« Reply #5 on: June 05, 2012, 07:09:39 am » |
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I get rid of perfectly good dogs just because they don't fit me or the way I like to hunt.
To add one more... certain dogs dont don't click with certain people. I bought a young cur dog for next to nothing a month or two ago that was skiddish and poor. They tried to use her as a cow dog but it would do any thing. I got her all cleaned up put a little time in with her and she started stiking hogs for me a couple weeks ago. Has a total different personality then when I got her.
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