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« on: December 28, 2013, 04:51:40 pm » |
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This may be a dumb ? But I'm goin to ask it anyway. Is there any way that u guys know to give a young dog drive to hunt. Jus get out from under ur feet an do something. I'm talking bout a dog that's bout a year old. Only been in the woods a few times. Thanks for any replys
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« Reply #1 on: December 28, 2013, 06:16:07 pm » |
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you just answered your own question with the statement that it has only been to the woods a few times . the more you go to the woods with it the more it will go out and hunt . just keep putting woods time on the dog , it's still just a pup . in one word it just needs more exposure to build up the confidence to move on out . you walk hunting or four wheeling ?
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« Reply #2 on: December 28, 2013, 06:56:28 pm » |
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Run it with dogs that'll get out and hunt and eventually that dog will start Running with them. You can't expect to much if it's only been to the woods a few times
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« Reply #3 on: December 28, 2013, 07:19:05 pm » |
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I walk hunt. I asked the ? Because I have a pup that is only 6 mounts old that covers a lot more ground an has bout the same woods time I mean he's not doin much but not walking along Side ether
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« Reply #4 on: December 28, 2013, 07:31:00 pm » |
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He may be young and certainly more exposure will help him. Kind of sounds to me like you may not be too high on this pup compared to the younger dog and if so, there is nothing wrong with that. A couple things to keep in mind when assessing young dogs:
1) Not all dogs make hog dogs- you and only you will know when enough is enough. 2) You can compare a dog versus what you think they should be based on time and exposure or you can compare them to another dog. 3) Certain types and breeds of dogs will progress differently; some breeds and bloodlines may need more time than others.
Are both the dogs you mention curs or hounds or crosses?
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« Reply #5 on: December 28, 2013, 08:07:03 pm » |
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The younger one is BMC the other one is his half brother so half BMC an not sure what the other part is the pup is spotted with glass eys so think there may b some cat in there
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« Reply #6 on: December 28, 2013, 08:16:20 pm » |
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Where I was goin with this thread was I have Seen some dogs that will go hunt an some that will never get out of sight unles there in sign. So I guess what I should have asked is is there a way to get a dog to hunt for sign with out having to walk them on it
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« Reply #7 on: December 28, 2013, 10:21:23 pm » |
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Where I was goin with this thread was I have Seen some dogs that will go hunt an some that will never get out of sight unles there in sign. So I guess what I should have asked is is there a way to get a dog to hunt for sign with out having to walk them on it
In my opinion, no not really. If you find a way to beg or whoop a dog into hunting, I'm all ears, I've had to bury more than I like for that reason.
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« Reply #8 on: December 29, 2013, 08:36:22 am » |
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are you walking the dogs into the woods and stopping ? or are you one of them that walks so fast the dogs can't hardly keep up ? lol it may sound like a silly question , but I have been with a few I had to grab by the coller and say heal , sit and stay to [ the dog handler not the dog lol ] just go to the woods and sit down and get you a switch, and if the dog comes close enough to you switch it and say get out . but some dogs just mature more slowly I nearly put down my old slim dog several times while in the woods [ but I'm glad I didn't ] he was just a slow maturing dog but when his switch flipped it flipped hard . I normally wouldn't give a dog as long as him to make it , but he was the last male pup on my yard from my ol Boudreaux dog and my plot gyp and Boudreaux had passed on . I bred slim several times to different gyps as a three year old and all his pups are early starters . slim was 18 months when I considered him a hog dog . but I knew what was behind his breeding . I doubt seriously I would give a dog I didn't know his ancestry that long , but I would put a couple hogs into this dog before I made a decision . has the dog ever seen a wild hog in the woods ?
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« Reply #9 on: December 30, 2013, 07:55:19 am » |
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I think you can whip a dog & get him away from you but you cannot make him hunt. He is just out there out of sight of you. I really feel it is genetic. I have seen a lot of young pups like your 7 month old. They might not know what they are hunting yet but they are sure out there hunting something & not standing by your feet. While exposure does help, especially in the tracking dept. dogs that get out & hunt or born with it. Just remember, it is a lot easier to put brakes on a dog then it is to put a motor in one.
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« Reply #10 on: December 30, 2013, 09:27:44 am » |
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lol Cajun that's what my slim dog would do . I would make him get out away from me and I would see him lurking in the brush when I was walking on further into the bush , and it use to make me madder than hell . one time [ the last time ] I was out with him he pulled that crap and I hollered at him to come on in and when he got there I told him flat out . I said slim you got one more chance with me boudreaux and bell or not lol . well he must have understood me , because the very next day I loaded him up and he took off with the other dogs and hunted and struck the first hog on his own and from that day he hunted like he had been doing it all his life lol. slim was 15 months old when his switch flipped . I don't really like a slow starting dog , but sometimes they are worth the wait . I learned that with my beagles I gave away several pups that I didn't like for that reason to hunt with them and whomever I gave them to later on in life . to have them burn my early starting keepers up lol .
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« Reply #11 on: December 30, 2013, 10:14:24 am » |
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I personally hate a late starting dog. I've dealt with them for a long time, and came to the realization that I like early starting dogs. I will cull if they don't start and progress like I want, and I probably won't ever know if them late starters turn out to be nice, cuz I cull them.
I've had a young dog lately and watched some of his littermates, and they've spoiled me. Them dogs right there at just over a year old makes it easy to cull quite a few dogs.
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« Reply #12 on: December 30, 2013, 10:23:50 am » |
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Some dogs get drive later on.... I don't like putting up with that... If they don't show me anything I like young I sell them as house pets
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« Reply #13 on: December 30, 2013, 11:01:22 am » |
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well that was my granpa's philosophy his whole life , and one of his famous quotes I remember was [ A DOG SHOULDN'T BE WELL STARTED AS A TWO YEAR OLD , IT SHOULD BE PLUM WORN OUT ] lol but now that I have come to know patience quite well and depending on the dog it's self i'll give em a little time to shine . but that depends on the dog in question , some dogs that didn't work young I wouldn't give the time of day and were gone .
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« Reply #14 on: December 30, 2013, 11:56:34 am » |
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Halfbreed, I know what you are saying.lol Back when I used to coon hunt I had a couple that I would get on to & they would leave but they would not be hunting, just staying out of my sight. Back then, did not have the luxury of a garmin but I could pick them up pretty good on attenuator.lol To me, it is a no brainer. Find dogs that suit your style of hunting & either buy a trained dog or get pups off of dogs that hunt the way you like them too.
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« Reply #15 on: December 30, 2013, 01:29:10 pm » |
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It may not work for u but I have seen dogs that didn't want to get out and u could kennel or chain them near another dog that hunts for them to buddy up. If u can get them to buddy up lots of times the young dog will go with the older just to see what it's doing. From that point it's just up to them. I have also seen guys hook 2 dogs together while hunting. It worked for them in the end but that's a chance I'm not gonna take. I by no means am an expert. I am willing to try different stuff. Every dog I own is a throw away dog for one reason or another. By hunting these dogs I learned patience and lots of it. They are not the best but get the job done.
I don't know how new or experienced u are with dogs but if ur new don't cull to fast because u can learn just as much as the dog from trying.
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« Reply #16 on: December 30, 2013, 02:44:59 pm » |
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Thanks for all the help guys. I started hog hunting about 3 years ago I bough several dogs an never got anything worth feeding. So I got out now I'm getting back in. Trying to start with jus pups.
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« Reply #17 on: December 30, 2013, 03:56:34 pm » |
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Thanks for all the help guys. I started hog hunting about 3 years ago I bough several dogs an never got anything worth feeding. So I got out now I'm getting back in. Trying to start with jus pups.
I try to stay away from buying pups over a year old and especially grown dogs...because most the time they are someone else's culls...buy 2 or more pups out of a good line abd you probably will be quite a bit happier.... But on your question...he might turn on or he might just be a cull...I don't have the patience to find out unless that is the only option I have at the time...
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Training dogs is not about quantity, it's more about timing, the right situations, and proper guidance...After that it's up to the dog... A hunting dog is born not made...
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« Reply #18 on: December 30, 2013, 04:17:10 pm » |
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That has pretty much been the only option I ever had. Lol. It can be very frustrating doing it the way I do. Trying to decide if u give them a lil longer or not is the hardest part. With me the way a dog acts when u head to a bay or if it's in a pen is very important. If it's young and don't range I can work on that. If it shows no intrest in the pig when it's looking at 4 of its kennel mates going nuts. Well it better get interested pretty quick. I'm not gonna wait forever.
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