Not too sure what to add....Grit? Bottom?

[Myles Man]

This is not a subject on silent/open---- try to keep it that way
So I've noticed the past 3 or 4 hunts...within 6 weeks or so....Bella is all on her own since her one and only rough helper Machito died. She's still short range(100-300 yds) checking in often. I like her hunting that way. If there's good sign-she gets jumpy and it can end up with her ranging up to 1.25 or 1.5..then she usually comes back. I'm not too sure why-that's just been  her pattern these past few runs.

I got off work early yesterday-made a run-and the first race went to a mile-she yips  on track a little and never got a bay-just a race. Started heading back and she hit another track. She had a bay at 800 yds, 900, then 1.2....they all held for prob 2 min then broke. She made a circle of 2 miles or more-runnin good with the hog. Then she just came back.

I'm not sure if she can't stick with a runner? Can't stop a runner? Can't hold a bay? Or if she just needs a partner?

She's a loose bayin dog and I like that. I also like her quitting a race after a few miles. She has hunted with some curs that stick with runners for more miles than I can  remember and cant/don't hang with em.

Considering my detail on how she is hunting alone.....if/when I bring in another dog to roll with her....what would be a good style to add? More grit? Bottom? Or just find one that's exactly like her? I'd like for her to produce hogs on her own-it just ain't looking like that's the case as of now....

[Myles Man]

Sure I will post pics!  ;DHere she is, as of now, hittin 2 1/5 yrs of age....

[Bo Pugh]

Now days it takes a dog that has a big gas tank and won't run out of gas after a mile or two most hogs are educated and have learned to run whether dog is barking or not. But if your plan is to keep her you probably would be better to get another dog that will run one about as long as her and that has about the same grit. You probably wouldn't want a dog with lots of bottom because if she won't run but 1 or two miles then the other dog would just end up by his self like she is now if he would run one for 10 miles. We have a hard time just hunting one dog because of the way our hogs are and the terrain so we take about 6 or 8 so we will have a few extra to fresh pack in and if it does stop maybe they can hold it bayed but I would look at getting another dog about the same caliber as her and see if the two will be any benefit and just go from there

[halfbreed]

   I see your problem right off myles .  I don't see any spots on that dog   lol     if she's been running with a partner it may take her a bit to stick while running solo . I remember when I lost my main dog , for a while I thought he was the only hog dog I owned .  the others picked it up after a few runs tho . may just need a little adjustment time  .

[JoshStokley]

I have a little dog right now that hunts well and if there are hogs around she will find and stick with them.  I have the same problem though.  If a hog wants to leave her she won't try to stop it.  I've watched her solo on a 60 lb hog crossing a pasture.  The hog was just trotting away and she was right behind it letting it walk.  I picked up some well bred stock dogs to put an end to that nonsense and it has made all the difference.   She has a place here until my young dogs start finding consistently...

[Bowhunter1994]

Good looking yella dog


Sonny

[Judge peel]

Way I see it is she lost her partner and some dogs just need that doesn't mean there less of a dog just need a helper like a good trim carpenter or like a doctor needs a nurse jmo


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[reatj81]

She is quitting from a lack of confidence that she had from the other dog.  If that ok with you, then that's ok.  If that's the way you want it to stay short, I would go with a ruff helper.


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[Myles Man]

I'm not too sure if she will hang with the big bottom type cur, it's been prob 4 or 5 months since she ran with em....maybe she will now days......

I know she can range out 10-15 miles (maybe 20) on an average walk hunt, that's a lot of ground to cover on foot IMO.....no wheelers involved-maybe go down the road in truck to pick em up/cut em off...

I'm thinking if I get a well started dog (help or strike I guess) she'd prob get better and could help me start catching instead of chasing. She my 1st strike dog I've ever had-my 1st hog dog in a way as well....I will prob watch her within the next dozen hunts and see where she is, I'm sure she is a lil dazed by being solo----I had a good pair going--right in the prime of learning how they work as a team I had it setback by losing my male.....

[Judge peel]

Keep pounding away brother she will only get better


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[hoghunter71409]

Myles- you may not want to hear what I am getting ready to say, so I am going to say this easy.  At 2.5 years old, I don't think a hog dog should need a hunting partner to get a hog bayed, especially a stand back bay dog.  It sounds to me as if she herself has been a help dog to her lost partner; it is time for her to take a lead role by herself and trying to get a hog bayed by her own, not coming back.  I don't believe you need to add anything to her.  We all expect different things out of dogs and you and I may think different. 

[Myles Man]

Lol, say what you feel bud...No big deal to me. I know she's prob not a sure nuff jam up-but she's all I got. i definitely  don't see her labeled as a help dog....Correct me if I'm wrong but the reason why?-she can roll out and find hogs-trail em-BUT (as of now) cant stop em---I've seen curs just run around waiting to "honor" a bay...that's where Machito was right at 16 months---out of the 2-she was definitely the leader...

Now-my patience with her his high. I've watched her from 3 months to now. I'd like to maybe find a good deal on a strike dog that can fit a label of "real deal"....as of now-I'm having fun learning and I like my small operation....yea-I agree-she shouldn't need a companion to hold a bay,,,,maybe she won't here in a month or more....which is why I'm posting all this. I like to get honest opinions.

I appreciate all the feedback.

[Bowhunter1994]

How does she work in a pen?
Sounds like she lacks confidence , I would try to get a younger pup that she will learn to trust and become best friends with.
They will become a team and become confident in herself .
A lot of people add hound (1/8-1/4) to give the dog that  bottom.
All in all I think she needs to be on more pigs ( kills) because she may be thinking it's okay to chase and not kill the pig. Positive reinforcement


Sonny

[Myles Man]

In a pen? I'm not too sure....it's been over a year since I did that...she fired up quick and I didn't want her to be a pen dog----so she did bay pen maybe 3 time-then it's been all woods from there.

I'm thinking that's the key-confidence.....good point.....

[Judge peel]

Jmo bubba but I would thro her a good solid partner not a super star but something that will stick with her or show up when she needs it I have seen it kick them back on track then back off every other few hunts and run her solo to see the difference in performance might help you out


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[Amokabs]

What if you got a rough as a cob rcd that would put the brakes on what she was finding?

[Myles Man]

I have a RCD, only prob is she is 10 yrs old and missing 3 K9's..........she's a soldier!!-I just don't really want to put her on the front line due to age....and her grip-I can't depend on IMO.....I still take her, but  usually keep her on a lead and will let her go if I know she can handle the work....I'd consider her to be a bay buster since she's missing some teeth.....she's got good hunt and quick-....If I let her roll out-she will hold if the hog is small...I guess I could let her and Bella pair up and see the outcome?? I'm sure they'd have fun....might help land some pigs....



She would be happy spending the rest of her days as a retired hog dog or armadillo digger!!