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« on: October 26, 2009, 02:04:09 am » |
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Just wanted to hear what everyone thought on the subject of running more then 1 lead dog at a time??
Does it lead to the 2 dogs competing and pushing each other out further??
What happens if you only use 1 lead dog and it passes on? Does one of the helpers become "lead" or do you bring in a new one and hope your helpers work well with the new one??
My uncle has always ran 1 lead dog and 2 helpers but when he loses his lead he starts from scratch again because the help doesn't match the new "lead". I on the other hand like all of my dogs to be able to track and stop their own pig so I have never realized what a kink losing your "lead" could be!
Just wanted to hear some .03 cents from whoever is willing to discuss.
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« Reply #1 on: October 26, 2009, 05:13:42 am » |
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i think more than one "lead" dog tend to push each other out further, also those "help" dogs can step it up when they are the only ones there.
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« Reply #2 on: October 26, 2009, 06:52:15 am » |
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i personally dont want a help dog . i consider a puppy in training a help dog but that pup better get some independence and start hunting out by itself every dog i have i can take out and castout and find a hog . a "lead" dog should not need help it should be able to find and bay by itself . isn't that why we have catch dogs  to go in and finish the job . in my opinion a help dog is a waste of my money thats just my .02 |
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« Reply #3 on: October 26, 2009, 07:32:34 am » |
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i personally dont want a help dog . i consider a puppy in training a help dog but that pup better get some independence and start hunting out by itself every dog i have i can take out and castout and find a hog . a "lead" dog should not need help it should be able to find and bay by itself . isn't that why we have catch dogs to go in and finish the job . in my opinion a help dog is a waste of my money thats just my .02 I agree with this 100%. If it cant strike a hog and hold him until the catch dog gets there then he want stay here long. |
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« Reply #4 on: October 26, 2009, 08:42:11 am » |
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i personally dont want a help dog . i consider a puppy in training a help dog but that pup better get some independence and start hunting out by itself every dog i have i can take out and castout and find a hog . a "lead" dog should not need help it should be able to find and bay by itself . isn't that why we have catch dogs to go in and finish the job . in my opinion a help dog is a waste of my money thats just my .02 I agree with this 100%. If it cant strike a hog and hold him until the catch dog gets there then he want stay here long. X3 |
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« Reply #5 on: October 26, 2009, 09:41:35 am » |
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 I must be lost................. Are yall saying that all yall have are 100% lead(strike dogs)? If so we must have differant meanings to the word. Full.
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« Reply #6 on: October 26, 2009, 09:50:13 am » |
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I guess it depends on how you would explain a "lead" dog and a "help" dog, to me a lead dog is the best one of your pack that finds and stops the most hogs. A help dog is a puppy that helps out while its learning or a dog that basically helps out in baying or catching, but can also find its own pigs once in awile. Anything less is a cull in my mind, even the worst help dogs to me have to have some kind of hunt in them.
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« Reply #7 on: October 26, 2009, 10:18:10 am » |
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This has happend to me. All of my dogs have the capability of finding their own hog but at one time they were so competative with each other some wouldn't honor the bay of the other. One would have a hog bayed then some of the other dogs would spread out to find their own hog it was a mess had to sell two of them to keep the pack hunting together.
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« Reply #8 on: October 26, 2009, 10:19:20 am » |
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I wasnt saying they are all great strike dogs but if I take them out by themselves they will hunt and strike a hog. To me a help dog is one that dont have no intention on hunting all he wants to do is HELP.
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« Reply #9 on: October 26, 2009, 10:37:38 am » |
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It really depends on definitions, in which there is no standard.
If your term "lead dog" refers to a dog consistantly capable of finding a hog, then yes I run several at a time and I do so to cover more ground. My dogs will split up and hunt on their own, but if one strikes then I guess the others assume the role of help dog and will honor the bay.
I won't own a dog that doesn't hunt on it's own. The only exception is pups, and even then I want to see some hunt and a tad of independance right off the bat.
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« Reply #10 on: October 26, 2009, 10:53:06 am » |
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It really depends on definitions, in which there is no standard.
If your term "lead dog" refers to a dog consistantly capable of finding a hog, then yes I run several at a time and I do so to cover more ground. My dogs will split up and hunt on their own, but if one strikes then I guess the others assume the role of help dog and will honor the bay.
I won't own a dog that doesn't hunt on it's own. The only exception is pups, and even then I want to see some hunt and a tad of independance right off the bat.
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« Reply #11 on: October 26, 2009, 12:38:29 pm » |
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i personally dont have any use for help dogs, all of my dogs will either hunt and find there hogs or will not be around very long, pups are the only help dog that might stay around, but they better learn to hunt and find on there own i agree that two good strike dogs will push each other, i have had many do it
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« Reply #12 on: October 26, 2009, 03:27:31 pm » |
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The main reason I was pondering this was my uncle recently lost his "Lead" dog for the 3rd time and after running his 2 help dogs with 2 of my dogs yesterday he is once again ready to give the help the boot and start over on a new pack. I understand how he feels but wouldn't it be better to have 2 or 3 good dogs that all work without each other come together to get the job done?? I am guessing it is just another "style" of hunting and if it has worked for him over the past years he will continue to do it his way but I just like questioning and pondering things I notice. Thanks for the responses guys!
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« Reply #13 on: October 27, 2009, 12:26:18 am » |
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i put two strike dogs on the ground with a young dog in training. i think as long as you have one good strike dog, it really doesn't matter what else you have. if they can understand that you strike dog has struck, and then go and bay, youll catch some hogs.
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« Reply #14 on: October 27, 2009, 11:26:51 am » |
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I guess it depends on how you would explain a "lead" dog and a "help" dog, to me a lead dog is the best one of your pack that finds and stops the most hogs. A help dog is a puppy that helps out while its learning or a dog that basically helps out in baying or catching, but can also find its own pigs once in awile. Anything less is a cull in my mind, even the worst help dogs to me have to have some kind of hunt in them.
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« Reply #15 on: October 27, 2009, 09:48:27 pm » |
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 I have 4 grown dogs that will hunt the rest are younger(pups) all my grown dogs will find and bay by themselves, but will honor or help if another bays. So I guess that all 4 are lead strike dogs and/or help dogs at times, just depends on which finds first, or who's nose is best that day!
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« Reply #16 on: October 27, 2009, 10:29:47 pm » |
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I have 4 grown dogs that will hunt the rest are younger(pups) all my grown dogs will find and bay by themselves, but will honor or help if another bays. So I guess that all 4 are lead strike dogs and/or help dogs at times, just depends on which finds first, or who's nose is best that day! I believe hunting this way will only stregthen your pack and increase your results. Has anyone had any problems with a "lead" dog claiming his pig?? I have seen this on a few occasions when the dog gets a litle older and we have to tie him up while we deal with the pig or else he will "scold" the rest of the dogs and guard his catch. |
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« Reply #17 on: October 27, 2009, 11:02:56 pm » |
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We have four strike dogs and two young dogs that have found hogs and hunt almost just as good as the older ones. They just need more experience. If any of them are bayed believe all the rest will be heading that way. Bigaintabull our last lead dog would not let any dog get near a dead or tied hog, when we got a rcd dogo he started doing the same and Hank let him take that job of guarding caught hogs. Usually when the boys skin a hog they throw the hide and head in a bucket, he won't let a dog get near that either.
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« Reply #18 on: October 28, 2009, 06:45:30 am » |
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a help dog is just a me to dog in my unprofessional opinion which like i said earlier is a waste of my time and money . a lead dog better be able to sit and bay by itself and when i get there i will follow my cd dog in
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