Dog Agressivness

[jerryg]

Is there any breed that constantly produces dog agressive dogs?  I have owned Lacys for some time, and so do some of my freinds.  One thing I have noticed is that alot of the males are dog agressive. One of my best blood tracking dogs is a Lacy and is great at his job, but i cannot have him around other males because he is contantly fighting them.  Today I was cleaning the water bowl of one of the dogs I had on a chain and let my lacy out of the kennel.  As soon a I turned around he jumped on my bull dog.  Bull dog turned grabbed his leg and put a good hurt on it... it took two of us to pull them apart.  He has bit the ears off 2 of my other blood dogs.  Do people that raise BMC and Catahoulas constantly see this trait in the breed?  Its to the point that I am so frustrated and getting rid of all my Lacys!

Jerryg

[Jared H.]

Not sure about other breeds but that's the main reason I'm getting rid of my main strike dog.  He's a male blue lacy and on a hunt Saturday there weren't any fresh hog signs and he fought every male that my buddy had out there.  Not sure why.

[BIG BEN]

 I think that all breeds of dogs will have some that are aggressive. IMO dog aggression will soon turn into human agression. I put down my catch dog yesterday for being aggressive, he latched on to one of my bay dogs and when he got off her he tried to snatch up a pup of mine and then came at me.

[slimpickins]

Has little to do with breed but more with socialism and training as a pup.
No room for any aggressiveness in my kennels, period.

[Rockin-P-Ranch]

Has little to do with breed but more with socialism and training as a pup.
No room for any aggressiveness in my kennels, period.

X2   As some of yall know I keep mostly females on my yard (YBMC). If you think that females are not aggressive you are as wrong as you can be. Dogs are pack animals to begin with and they have got to learn their place in the pack. And that needs to start when they are pups. There is a pecking order and it has got to be set at an early age. My dogs are turned out every day to run and play with each other. Some are kenneled together and some are not but they all know their place in the pecking order of this yard.

[Scott]

IMO dog aggression will soon turn into human agression.

Dog/animal aggression in no way, shape, or form = human aggression.

[jerryg]

For those of you that have dog agressive males, will neutering work to decrease the agression or because he is an older dog is it set in his ways.  I will neuter this dog as I dont think it is worth having this negative trait passed on even though he is an outstanding blood tracking dog.  Somewhere in his progeny that trait will show up again.....not something I want.

Jerryg  

[Rockin-P-Ranch]

My wife has a 1/2 cat 1/2 mnt cur that we cut when he was just a little short of being a year old. He is a greet pet but he will not be bullied at all by any thing. There is a fine line that we as hog hunters have to walk if we breed our on dogs. We want them to be agressive when we hunt them but dont want any of it in the yard or in the woods. And yes IMO it is not a trait that I want to pass on if he has dog or people problems.

[311mx]

jet308, ill take that lacy off your hands

[matt_aggie04]

I have a bmc that is as bad as I have ever seen.  He doens't posture or growl, he will run at full speed to another male dog and try to catch it like a hog!  Perfect gentleman around females but a complete liability around males.  I raised the dog from a pup, from the time he was 8 weeks old, and the day I brought him home he jumped on my 2 year old house dog like he owned the joint.  He wasn't too bad but then I kenneled him with a gyp that had anger issues for a short period of time and that did not help matters.  I have tried everything under the sun but now at the age of 5+ I think I am going to have him cut and see if that does any good and if it does not then he won't be around my place much longer.  You have to worry owning him and that is never a good situation.

[shawn]

i bought a lacy once and the first time i took it to the woods it started 2 fights, took him back, lol

[Monteria]

Has little to do with breed but more with socialism and training as a pup.
No room for any aggressiveness in my kennels, period.

Though I agree that nurture has some influence, nature will always be the dominant factor. Some dogs are just hard wired aggressive.

And, YES, male dog aggression is a big issue in the Lacy breed. I do not know why but I do know that I see it more, per-capita, in the Lacy breed than any other. That's not to say that they all posses this trait though. Many do not.

And, as a Lacy man, that is just one reason that I advocate responsible breeding and hard culling so strongly.

Steve

[Bryant]

Jerry,

I've got a male BMC that also tends to be a little aggressive.  I've had two appointments to get him cut and due to scheduling, neither happened.  His day is coming though.

Anyhow, I researched the subject and talked to a couple different vets before deciding to go ahead with the procedure.  Basically I was told that the earlier in the dogs life you do it, the better your chances for success.  Young male-aggressive dogs are purely instinct and testosterone driven, but as the dogs age the aggression can be driven by habit.  Once the "habit" of fighting has developed, neutering the dog won't help.  It was explained to me that neutering the dog is basically like taking the edge off.  If the dog was the type to come out of the box looking for a fight, the results may be dissappointing.

The dog I have doesn't necessarily look for a fight, but he darn sure won't walk away from one either.  Usually when he's busy hunting, there are no issues.  In the vets opinion, this dog would be a good candidate.

Another thing to consider is this.  A dog-aggressive male tends to be an alpha dominant type dog (or one that is rallying for that position in the pecking order).  Just as in nature, these are the dogs that set the tone and call the shots of your whole pack.  The problem is when this particular dog is not the best hunting dog.  By hunting this dog with your pack and allowing him to be the superior, you could very well be hindering the performance of your other dogs.  I believe this is something that is often overlooked when people hunt a pack of dogs.  When you look at pack-mentality and the way dogs function in nature, the theory that any dog should hunt and perform the same with any other dog is simply not true.

I encourage people to switch their dogs around and hunt them in different combinations.  You may find that when hunting dog a, b & d together and leaving c at home they hunt like a completely different set of dogs.

On another subject you and I have been talking about, I sent you a PM.

[TexasJ]

I witnessed a pretty good example the other weekend.  I'm pretty sure that you know Steve's old yellow lacy named Brutus.  That deggum Brutus was always aggressive when Steve owned him.  But Steve gave him to Mike B..  Mike brought him down and hunted the tournament wknd.  I couldn't believe it, Brutus didn't show the aggression I was use to seeing out of him.  Might ask Mike Brooks what he did but I think it was along the lines of firm disciplin.

But for the most part, I agree, those dern lacys are hard to get along.  I say, go to Thoms and get you abunch of Jefe's kenfolks! 

Hunts are better when the dogs are yeller!  J/J!

[jerryg]

Trust me Josh, this dog has been put in his place more than once......headed that way with the BMC.   

[Dober3]

I don't know to much about Lacy's but my wife has a Olde english bulldog That is the most dominante dog I have ever seen. She own's my whole pack and she is not a hunting dog by any means. She even whoops up on my pit and that don't happen.

[wcg89]

My dogo/ab has some food agression, he is in his own separate kennel. He will start eating and another dog will walk into the kennel next to him and he will just do a real low real quiet growl, if the dog doesn't do anything he will go back to eating, if the dog growls back he goes to it   my dogo is still pretty young around 13 mths so I don't know if he is aggressive or just bored.  Another thing is if I let him and my other dogs out to run, and a neighbors dog comes over that dog better turn around and go back home in a hurry

[MachinesOldLady]

I keep two intact males together pretty much all the time & board a third. We've had the father of my two boys & three of his sons together without any issues. The father is known for throwing laid back temperaments, but we also don't put up with any sort of dominance behavior. Playing is fine but the minute hair goes up & posturing begins a swift and thorough punishment is given. Some dogs settle after being put in their place. By together I mean they're left in the house together, can be kenneled together & spend the majority of their time together.

I have Ridgebacks & they're not all mellow. One guy had another Ridgeback latch on to one of my boys face twice. I'd call it a fight but he would've had to bite the other dog back for that to be true. This boy has still been fine with other intact males that are not male aggressive. The other male may or may not have improved with being put in it's place - but the lack of discipline on it from its owner was obvious.

I don't think I'd have any place in our yard for a dog that would attack a puppy. Some forms of aggression are socialization while others are completely genetic. (A spooky dog is likely to throw spooky pups)

Anyhow - that's just my .02 from my experience keeping boys. 

[slimpickins]

Well, in my kennels there's only 1 dominant male and he has full, 100%, undivided control. Me!
No room for any other. Anything of mine wants to pick a fight I'll end it, and what's out there now knows it.
Even if I didn't have a 14 year old red headed girl helping me, the rules would still be the same.
It just ain't worth the headache to deal with.
Now in the house, anyone who knows jls41, knows she's in charge in there.