can lazy dogs ruin good dogs?

[shawn]

I'm sure this has been discussed before but here goes anyway. I have a buddy that has a dog that WILL NOT leave our feet, he insists on bringing this dog. He's has been dropped hints to not bring this dog but I guess he's a dimwit, lol. Nice guy, loves to hunt, always ready to go, so it's hard to just be a jerk about it.

Here's the problem, well concern, when dogs especially younger ones (year old and younger) see a dog that basically is not doing crap, could this effect them? And could it maybe even effect an older dog? I thought maybe I was seeing things but wasn't sure the other day. lol

[Noah]

Good question, I used to overthink the same thing... now I just roll with it   As long as the dog isn't messing with your other dogs I'd just go about as usual.  If you put your dogs in hogs, they're gonna do what they're gonna do no matter what dog is there.  Now if the dog in question is being a PITA, leash him up and keep him on lead till something happens(might help him as well).

[Bryant]

"can lazy dogs ruin good dogs"

Shawn,

In my opinion, If a lazy dog keeps a "good" dog from hunting, then that "good" dog wasn't very good anyway.

Young or inexperienced dogs is another thing, and yes a dog that stands around will sometimes cause others to join in.  I would think of it just like one of my construction crews.  One guy leans on his shovel, and several others are more likely to loaf as well.  Then there are those who will not be concerned with the loafers, and realize there is a job at hand and being lazy won't get it done.  Those are the "good" ones.

I've hunted with people that have dogs like you mentioned.  When I have pups along, I like to hurry and get my dogs on the ground and gone before they unload those types out of the box.

[Monteria]

I don't think there is any question they can and will negatively influence the range of young dogs, especially pups in training.

So far as bringing the a "me too" dog is concerned, you have to weigh the advantages and disadvantages. Does it respond to a bay fast? Is it grittier than the rest of the dogs? Does it stop runners or shorten races? There is a place in the right pack for the right help dog but I dont think that includes any pack with young dogs or puppies in training unless you want to be training help dogs.

My .02

Steve

[shawn]

yeah i was thinking the same thing about older dogs, if the dog is worth a sh1t to begin with it shouldnt effect them, but a pup showing promise i was worried it might

and as far as a help dog goes

I weigh 270 lbs and have beaten this dog to a catch before. lmao

[Turbo Jet]

im not sure about the dog ur talking about but a friend of mine has a dog that stays right by his side unless she hears a bay or catch's a scent trail. now on the other hand she is the best dog he has for riding the hood hunting and have trained a few other pups to ride hood with her. so take it for what its worth but i think if u could find the dogs nitch in hunting then it might help u from having to be a jerk to a friend.

[cward]

first off I do not belieave in a help dog all dogs must find thier on hog if I feed them! But I hunt with a boy who's dog did the same thing you said your friends dog is doing my hint to him was do you see that dog right thier he is why I don't hunt with a gun.he did not bring him anymore

[shawn]

well thats my point, if its gonna be a hunting dog, i want the dog to actually "hunt" not wait around and chew on a pig after its already been bayed and caught, its just another dog to pull off and a PITA to do so. I can't afford to feed a dog like that. I'm litterally serious when I say I was at a catch  (two bulldogs found when we did the mostly bulldog thing) before this dog was, it was ridiculous.

I've been patiently trying to change my hunting style the past few months going back to using cur dogs and keeping bulldogs on leads, but having a dog or 2 that stands at your feet is annoying as hell to me. Maybe it's something I should just get used to, or just start hunting by myself all the time.

[Monteria]

On the other side of that coin, a good help dogs value is witnessed only when the strike dogs, who are so good at finding, cant stop a particular hog. No matter how much value we put in our strike dogs, no dog is 100% perfect all the time. Sometimes they could use a little help too.

In your case Shawn, sounds like the worms need to eat!

Steve

[cantexduck]

 If the dog is truly like you say then............... I had a help dog, she would be at the bay everytime no questions. Given the right time she could of came around(maybe) but she was always withen 25 yards unless the sign was hot. Steve knows the dog. She and another young dog stopped a running sow last year that took some expenced dogs for a run.

[shawn]

I don't have a problem with a help dog, the two bay dogs I have are nothing more than good help dogs right now in my opinion. But what I want from a help dog is this, to stay BUSY, to honor a bay (be there before me at the very least), help shut down, and strike on their own sometimes. Both of these will do that, and I'm hoping one or the other turns into a solid strike dog before it's all said and done.

I'm no expert on this by any means and never will claim to be, but my concern is when I got a pup that just turned a year, is starting to range out further and further, and has already found a few on his own. When I see him quit hunting and there is a couple dogs around we're tripping over, I wonder if that's the reason he quit.

[So Oklahoma Cur Dogs]

   I don't think it would bother you're dogs unless his dog ran around barking and pulling the strike dogs in. I'm going through the same thing right now with a dog thats a year old. He started out great I would hardly ever see him now he wont leave my feet or honor a bay. Not to long ago I would have culled him but on the advise of others on here I'm gonna put him on the chain and leave him at the house for a while and see if he does better later. I don't like a cur dog walking with me. My dogs better get out at least a hundred yards. Nothing wrong with a good help dog though if it fits your pack. He's the brindle dog.

[shawn]

good, rough lookin dog, i hope he ends up working out for ya.

[craig]

shawn as for your question "can lazy dogs ruin good dogs" i would say no. i would just be proud he is not bringing a trashy dog. if he likes the dog then let him keep bringing it , the dog may wake up some day.

its really hard to find a hunting partner that you like to hunt with and like all of his dogs too.

[Noah]

its really hard to find a hunting partner that you like to hunt with and like all of his dogs too.

So true.  If it makes your hunting buddy happy to have his sh!teater by his side, so be it.  Your dogs should be paying attention to the hogs and you, nothing else.  Just make sure you're not using his dog as an excuse for your dogs not doing what you'd like them to do(yep I've done that too )

[Txhoghunter]

In my opinion, If a lazy dog keeps a "good" dog from hunting, then that "good" dog wasn't very good anyway.

+1

[Black Gold]

Your dogs should be paying attention to the hogs and you, nothing else.  Just make sure you're not using his dog as an excuse for your dogs not doing what you'd like them to do(yep I've done that too )

I think that's it there....