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buddylee
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« on: January 30, 2012, 05:19:35 pm » |
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Been thinking about some dogs I breed and their potential scenting ability. Hounds are known for trailing, bird dogs for winding, bull dogs for catching. What makes these generally true assumptions ? I've heard of pits trailing for miles and pointers trailing too while alot of curs are pretty good at winding. Seems like there are exceptions to each breed and type of dog. Why can some pits trail and wind while others can't ? Are all dogs able to take a track ? Do all dogs have the ability to do it all ? Is it more of a desire or drive issue that makes dogs smell in different ways ?
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BA-IV
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« Reply #1 on: January 30, 2012, 05:24:08 pm » |
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There's no doubt that some breeds can smell better than others. I do feel that most cur dogs, whether they take a hot track or super cold track, can smell all the same thing. It boils down to what they are willing to try, what their instincts are telling them and that comes down to what they are hardwired to do. Just my thought though.
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BIG BEN
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« Reply #2 on: January 30, 2012, 05:47:11 pm » |
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From what I understand all dogs have the same ability to smell scent weather its a hound or your lap dog, and its something in the brain that registers that scent that is different amoung breeds.
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hunt em hard, give em no excuses, and cull harder!!!!!
"Rather have a sister in a whore house than spots on a dog"
"Pretty is as pretty does"- BigO
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« Reply #3 on: January 30, 2012, 05:48:21 pm » |
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From what I understand all dogs have the same ability to smell scent weather its a hound or your lap dog, and its something in the brain that registers that scent that is different amoung breeds.
What I was trying to say except in fewer words. |
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Reuben
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« Reply #4 on: January 30, 2012, 07:20:30 pm » |
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certain lines of mtn curs are cold nosed and long range winding dogs.
but I also believe that most dogs have excellent noses but it is genetics that makes a dog take a cold track or a hot track or even a dog that is not interested in trailing...the brain must trigger the desire to wind and trail or lack of...
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Training dogs is not about quantity, it's more about timing, the right situations, and proper guidance...After that it's up to the dog...
A hunting dog is born not made...
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smarlowe
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« Reply #5 on: January 30, 2012, 07:30:45 pm » |
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I currently run an english pointer/ bulldog and a mnt.curr/walker. I have watched them take the same track but they do it entirely different. The bird dog trails with his head up and doesn't look like he's smelling anything. The mnt cur has his nose to the ground or closer to the ground I guess and you can see him working it. I personally think hounds have a stronger nose, or colder. He will take an old track that I don't think the bird can recognize. Jmo
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ole shep
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« Reply #6 on: January 30, 2012, 10:59:25 pm » |
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My 2 cents is you can cross pure breeds and get good results or you can buy curs that someone has already crossed. Pretty simple huh  I'm just kidding of course but it is true.and of course there are exceptions in all breeds of all animals.Horses,dogs and women the good lord gives you the chance to get em it's how bad you really want one. Dang kinda got off the road. |
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There is nothing a dip of snuff won't make better. Bow hunter. Bend it and send it. WWT approved
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smarlowe
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« Reply #7 on: February 01, 2012, 07:42:30 am » |
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Hey shep, liked that! Think I'll stick with the dogs and horses. The good Lord can keep the rest ! Just kiddin!
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Mako01
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« Reply #8 on: February 02, 2012, 10:41:44 am » |
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Saying that all dogs can smell equally is crazy. Not all dogs are created equally, the same as all men are not equal. Not every man has the athletic ability to be an NBA basketball player or an NFL football player. Not every man is smart enough to be a doctor. Dogs are no different. If they were, every house pet would be a good hog dog. Different dogs are bred for different tasks. A game bred pit bull is obviously the best fighting breed on the planet. A grey hound is probably the fastest. Some hounds are cold nosed and some are not. Some dogs have more of a desire to work and hunt than others. Find what you like in a dog and breed for that. If you want a medium range strike dog that will stop a runner and hold a hog at bay, then breed for that. I personally think that a man should only breed his best dogs. Cull your litters and don't pawn your junk off on other people. If everyone did this, we would all have jam up dogs.
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Reuben
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« Reply #9 on: February 02, 2012, 11:08:43 am » |
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Saying that all dogs can smell equally is crazy. Not all dogs are created equally, the same as all men are not equal. Not every man has the athletic ability to be an NBA basketball player or an NFL football player. Not every man is smart enough to be a doctor. Dogs are no different. If they were, every house pet would be a good hog dog. Different dogs are bred for different tasks. A game bred pit bull is obviously the best fighting breed on the planet. A grey hound is probably the fastest. Some hounds are cold nosed and some are not. Some dogs have more of a desire to work and hunt than others. Find what you like in a dog and breed for that. If you want a medium range strike dog that will stop a runner and hold a hog at bay, then breed for that. I personally think that a man should only breed his best dogs. Cull your litters and don't pawn your junk off on other people. If everyone did this, we would all have jam up dogs.
Mako, I agree with most of what you say and as far as nose power you might be right...but in 1983 a professor discovered that all breeds that he tested could smell the same at a very young age...there wasn't much difference and that included blood hounds...The one breed that seemed to have a better nose at that age was the english pointer... This test was done on pups before they had their eyes open. The thing that gets me is that a blood hound will have a lot larger nose when mature as compared with let's say a yorkshire terrier...so my mind tells me that there are more olfactory receptors in the blood hounds nose, or, if not then they at least should have a larger area in the olfactory setup to process scent... but I will say that some dogs have a powerful nose but will not trail because it is not in their genetic make up to do so... |
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Training dogs is not about quantity, it's more about timing, the right situations, and proper guidance...After that it's up to the dog...
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tomtom
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« Reply #10 on: February 02, 2012, 08:16:59 pm » |
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Its "type". Not ability.
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