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« on: April 05, 2012, 08:15:31 pm » |
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Let's just say...... Someone won Uncle Earls with a CAT/BMC cross. Then someone started dominating the hunting tournaments w/ CAT/BMC crosses. Would opinions change of each breed or would you still have the endless debate? I think it would be "They won cause the dog/dogs were half yella!" or vice versa. Tell me I'm wrong.
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« Reply #1 on: April 05, 2012, 08:25:58 pm » |
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Let me ask you, why would it matter? Debate is fun.
An F1 cat- bmc cross, even with good dogs on both sides is still a genetics crapshoot. That goes for all first time crosses even within breeds and to be totally honest; while I prefer my yard to be decorated with beautiful shades of yellow, I think the average "bmc" is less than desirable too.
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« Reply #2 on: April 05, 2012, 09:00:29 pm » |
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I think the debate stems from peoples desire to produce better dogs, some see what they like in one breed and cheer it on. Some people just like to argue and/or debate. If you crossed enough 1/2 breeds to call them a new breed there would simply be those who liked them better than either cat's or BMC's and we would have another group cheering them on and believing they were the best. Nothing would change. If there were only one dog breed humans would find and/or breed different strains, colors , styles and argue/debate about those lines and traits.
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« Reply #3 on: April 05, 2012, 09:09:39 pm » |
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I probably phrased that wrong. Don't mean endless debate. That's not really my question I guess. Would a lifelong, BMC/CAT man bring this cross/line into his yard, or is it just liking a color or look of a dog? I'm not saying there is anything wrong with that. Every dog/puppy I pick is because I like the way it looks. Just wondering if someone would change their strict preference if their was a proven cross/line out there.
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« Reply #4 on: April 05, 2012, 10:13:23 pm » |
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Well put in that context yes maybe. I already said I'm on the yellow team, but 1 of my hardest hunting dogs is a halvsy. Moreover, I honestly don't mean to be rude or start nothing but I personally do not care for catahoulas as a breed. Pretty has done irreparable damage. There are however a handful of men whose cats I have hunted with who I think pretty highly of. I own a half cat half plott down the line from one of these men and there are two litters by two other men who I have been offered pups from that I had to with a heavy heart pass on for reasons unrelated to performance. One dog I can think of in particular is in my opinion real good! He is almost everything You'd want in a hog dog no doubt and the AVERAGE hog hunter may never in their life see a dog like him, BUT I would not consider crossing him to my best Gyp. They are both pretty tightly bred and all the attributes compliment each other AND their F1 cross may be phenomenal BUT where do you go from there?? You'd be chasing genetic phantoms for several wasted years only to probably have to end up culling large percentages and having to start over and then realizing that you've burnt the bridges that got you to the original prototypes. Purebred hard culled linebred dogs already have a hard enough time reproducing star quality dogs and gyps if you are honest about what you produce (or so I've been told)  so why pray tell would you want to purposely pee in the pool?? |
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« Reply #5 on: April 05, 2012, 10:22:35 pm » |
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who cares im no differnt with a dog than or a person dont matter what breed or color if they work and pull your own that all that counts to me  |
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« Reply #6 on: April 05, 2012, 10:36:23 pm » |
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Would a lifelong, BMC/CAT man bring this cross/line into his yard, or is it just liking a color or look of a dog?
Devils Advocate  If a life long Bmc or Cat man did what you referenced.... He can no longer be considered a life long anything. Never sell your soul...unless you get enough to buy a ticket back!  |
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« Reply #7 on: April 05, 2012, 10:44:10 pm » |
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Let's just say...... Someone won Uncle Earls with a CAT/BMC cross. Then someone started dominating the hunting tournaments w/ CAT/BMC crosses. Would opinions change of each breed or would you still have the endless debate? I think it would be "They won cause the dog/dogs were half yella!" or vice versa. Tell me I'm wrong.
neither of these breeds nor a 50/50 of these 2 would impress me even if they won at uncle earls...unless the winner comes from a long line of excellent hunting dogs... |
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« Reply #8 on: April 05, 2012, 10:57:30 pm » |
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Let's just say...... Someone won Uncle Earls with a CAT/BMC cross. Then someone started dominating the hunting tournaments w/ CAT/BMC crosses. Would opinions change of each breed or would you still have the endless debate? I think it would be "They won cause the dog/dogs were half yella!" or vice versa. Tell me I'm wrong.
neither of these breeds nor a 50/50 of these 2 would impress me even if they won at uncle earls...unless the winner comes from a long line of excellent hunting dogs... Rueben, I believe I understand exactly what your saying. Please expand on what you meant by neither of these two breeds... I believe you are probably of the same school of thoughts as I in that I also believe the majority of all dogs intended to be hog dogs aren't , well never mind. I wanna hear your thoughts. |
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« Reply #9 on: April 05, 2012, 11:16:38 pm » |
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I dont know why the Bay pen guys dont use more BMC's. I would never breed a Catahoula to my dogs. I dont have many friends and if I let my dogs breed to one or put a catahoula on my yard I wouldn't have any friends. LOL.
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« Reply #10 on: April 06, 2012, 12:14:40 am » |
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What if that little worm would of had a big freaking machine gun ? That big bird would have never ate him !  You can what if all day long and most of the time you'll end up further behind then when you started. |
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« Reply #11 on: April 06, 2012, 01:27:25 am » |
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Let's just say...... Someone won Uncle Earls with a CAT/BMC cross. Then someone started dominating the hunting tournaments w/ CAT/BMC crosses. Would opinions change of each breed or would you still have the endless debate? I think it would be "They won cause the dog/dogs were half yella!" or vice versa. Tell me I'm wrong.
neither of these breeds nor a 50/50 of these 2 would impress me even if they won at uncle earls...unless the winner comes from a long line of excellent hunting dogs... Rueben, I believe I understand exactly what your saying. Please expand on what you meant by neither of these two breeds... I believe you are probably of the same school of thoughts as I in that I also believe the majority of all dogs intended to be hog dogs aren't , well never mind. I wanna hear your thoughts. I'll just give you one reason...I have seen too many awesome bay pen dogs that can't trail, wind, or find a hog in the woods... |
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Training dogs is not about quantity, it's more about timing, the right situations, and proper guidance...After that it's up to the dog...
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« Reply #12 on: April 06, 2012, 02:05:54 am » |
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we dont have bay pen comps in new zealand but what we do have is sheep dog trials which i can asure are very well atended these dogs are extremly well trained for comps to work a small no of sheep at a given task but take a fair % of these dogs out in the field and they are useless
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