Trashin !?

[buford]

Well here's the deal , got a pup I've been working with, I call a pup he is 11 months old, I've worked with him slow and have takeing my time with him a little different route than what I have done before. Allowing to just be a pup when he was a pup and give him the time to be mature before takeing him to the woods with grown dogs easier to deal with better for learning and havering the physical ability to keep up, the whole nine yards. Anyways from time to time stretched out from the time he was 5 months old to 10 months old I went through all the step that I know to getting a dog ready ( took him to the pen on a shoat, scent drags, actual pig drags, mock hunts, everything) he loves a hog shows me everything I want to see as far as havering him for a hog dog. He has a hell of a nose on him is what a love best about him BUT since I've been carrying him to the woods now he has got a nose for anything and everything. Main thing deer. I've got two questions, first one is .... The last 5 or 6 hunts we've been on were dry runs for hogs but he's got on deer, SO should I start back at square one and mess with him some more with a hog in the back yard to get him back on track or what? question 2 ... What is any and all ways yall know of, of breaking a dog from trashing? I've heard of a lot of things and done a lot of things but I'm sure I havent heard of everything. If you need to pm me to answer that that's find. Thanks a lot

[Reuben]

since the dog already knows to bay and catch hogs he is ready to break off of deer...livestock and deer are the 2 things I worry about...most all other off game is a lot easier to control in the field...

there are several good ways to break a dog from specific off game...

I do it this way for deer and it has worked for me...I am talking about super gamey pups that had a ton of hunt and if I didn't break them asap it was going to get very challenging to break them...so I came up with an idea and it really worked well for me...

I first made sure they knew what a hog was and then I started breaking them...I bought some deer breaking deer scent and then I bought me a cattle prod at the feed store...

I have a deer shoulder mount so I tacked on a white paper towel to the back end of it with a little deer scent on it...I then walk up to the alpha pup and I let him get a whif of the deer scent and when the deer mount or paper towel touches the pup I sneak in the prod and light him up...I give him about three love taps with the prod... repeat steps with the other pups...

three or four days later repeat procedure...

Wait a week and repeat procedure again but one love tap will do...The pup will be looking cowering at the end of his chain or in the corner of his kennel when a whif of deer hits his nostrils...

you might have to give him a tune up 3 or 4 months later but I don't think it will be neccessary...

When you see the pup in the woods come back with his head and tail down you know he just saw a mean eer in the woods...just let the pup follow along a little and then send him ahead and hopefully he will find you a hog...

I don't think you need a deer shoulder mount but I would at least use a 2 or 3 ft. stick with a white cloth or paper towel at the end of it with some deer scent...the reason I say white is because when the deer is jumped the dog sees the white tail and I think the association will connect...I have had the same bottle of deer scent for many years so you don't need to use much...

this is my way and it works for me...but like I said, there are other ways to break your dog from running deer, coon, bobcat, coyote...

[buford]

Thank you for your reply Reuben I will try your method

[Reuben]

a cattle prod is pretty cheap...post on here how it goes...you have too make it an unforgettable experience for the dog...and you just stay cool so the dog blames the deer scent and not you...

[dan]

A 55 gal drum with a lid, a deer hide, hooves with legs, 3 bricks, and a hill.  Won't work on a Jagd, but will work with a cur.

[buford]

I will let you know how it goes give me a couple days to go buy the scent.

[Reuben]

if you already have a shock collar you can use that in place of a prod...

[buford]

Well Reuben I tried your advice... I don't know if he is going to be terrified of a white rag the rest of his life or the scent of deer or a cattle prod but he sure didn't like the field testing we were doing lol. I'm hunting Saturday the same spot we've been going where he has been trashing, I will be able to see if it paid off. Some buddies have been telling me to just stop hunting there because of the deer that are there but that's going against what I'm trying to accomplish. I want this dog to be able to walk through a herd of deer and not pay them an once of attention but stay focused, on track, and on his mission ( to find a hog )  and there is hogs there. Thanks for your time and help. I will give you a follow up after I go

[Reuben]

I didn't take my pups hunting until after the second round...but it should work for you...

[williamsld]

i dont do this but i know a old fella that hog hunts down the road and he puts them in a 55 gallon drum with a deer carcus and shuts it then takes a baseball bat to it two times and they never run one agin

[BA-IV]

The 55 gallon drum works for me.

Alot of good deer races ended with hogs bayed though.

[Reuben]

I have a friend that uses the 55 gallon drum technique...but he also says you have to make a statement with it...and I agree with that...

[williamsld]

i havent ever had to do it personally i guess im just lucky, but i love the idea of it ive seen the old man do it and go huntin the next day deer pop up in front of the dog and the dog just goes right past it and goes to a hog

[blakebh]

I have seen some dogs that were thrashy as hell as pups but turned out to be good dogs. He is still young and the fact that he is taking any tracks at all at 11 months is probably a good sign. Just give him time and plenty of hogs tracks! JMO

[Reuben]

I have seen some dogs that were thrashy as hell as pups but turned out to be good dogs. He is still young and the fact that he is taking any tracks at all at 11 months is probably a good sign. Just give him time and plenty of hogs tracks! JMO

I will say this...a super trashy pup will make a dam good dog...some folks have had pups that were straight even as pups...but I haven't seen any...