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« Reply #20 on: January 08, 2014, 10:01:54 pm » |
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That's a good lookin dog there!
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« Reply #21 on: January 08, 2014, 10:07:47 pm » |
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I've had 3 redbone out of the same stock and all started out open but have ended up dead silent. They are papered full blood.
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« Reply #22 on: January 08, 2014, 10:14:01 pm » |
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Not to ruffle any feathers but i always see the theres no silent plotts coments and the if he is its not passed or its loose bayin not gritty.. I may have that white buffalo but my boy is 100% silent long range fritty short ear plott. If hes barkin its in his face, 125 and under he caught if not hes bayin and absolutely wont quit( have many stories of trackin him on a broke bay). Hes 9 now but will hunt him with anyone and am dieing to breed to some gyps before its to late being that the only gyps i got are 8 months and 6 months
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« Reply #23 on: January 09, 2014, 08:37:07 am » |
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Not to ruffle any feathers but i always see the theres no silent plotts coments and the if he is its not passed or its loose bayin not gritty.. I may have that white buffalo but my boy is 100% silent long range fritty short ear plott. If hes barkin its in his face, 125 and under he caught if not hes bayin and absolutely wont quit( have many stories of trackin him on a broke bay). Hes 9 now but will hunt him with anyone and am dieing to breed to some gyps before its to late being that the only gyps i got are 8 months and 6 months
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« Reply #24 on: January 09, 2014, 08:41:10 am » |
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Have you thought about asking this question on another site like UKC or Biggamehoundsmen?
I would think most guys on this site have a lot of expertise in cur dogs, bull dogs, and crosses; I only know a few on here that really focus on hounds and I beleive thay all think the same way (no silent plotts). You may get a different range of answers on the UKC site and you may find some non-plott hounds that are silent.
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« Reply #25 on: January 09, 2014, 11:11:55 am » |
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Ok guys lets do it like this!! Suppose I was looking for a Cat or BMC that is bawl mouth on track? If I found one I'm sure everyone on here would suspect cross breeding somewhere down the line! Now I'm not saying anyones dog is cross bred because I personally owned a full silent plott that I'm sure was not cross bred but I'm just saying that comes to mind when finding dogs that exhibit characteristics that are not consistent with the breed! I've not seen any line of plott consistently produce silent mouth dogs, in fact most big game breeders will cull silent trailers! The potential of a dog being cross bred is irrevelant anyway if the dog suits the owner! I just think the plott guys are all trying to say plotts are not silent by nature!
Good luck with your search!!
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« Reply #26 on: January 09, 2014, 12:09:30 pm » |
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^^^ Exactly, perfect example. The Plott hound was bred to run game over long distances and give voice as to which way the race was heading. They Are A Hound Breed. Stock bred lines such as BMC and Cats were bred to find stock and put meat on the table. Homestead farmers in the 1800s didn't want to run game, they wanted it to bay up or tree quick, making a silent on trail dog the more desirable. I understand the wanting of a silent Plott or Plott X due to trail barking alerting game of it's presence but a Plott is-or should be - a rocket on trail and the amount of mouth it gives while tracking will not matter if its drive to overtake game is there. If you took a hound that hunted true to what a hound should hunt which is run to catch and close ground on its game it doesn't matter if it's running silent, semi silent, or full bore open. The issue with Plott hounds isn't their voice, it's their ability to travel miles in a very short amount of time. The places that most of us hunt wouldn't work for a pack of Plott hounds. In terms of drive and the way a brain is wired most good curs are like Pick Ups-dependable, easy to maintain, and designed for daily work. A GOOD Plott is more like a bad ass American Muscle car.
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say what you want about my family or friends but you leave my dog the hell out of this-F.D.R.
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« Reply #27 on: January 09, 2014, 12:39:12 pm » |
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Not to ruffle any feathers but i always see the theres no silent plotts coments and the if he is its not passed or its loose bayin not gritty.. I may have that white buffalo but my boy is 100% silent long range fritty short ear plott. If hes barkin its in his face, 125 and under he caught if not hes bayin and absolutely wont quit( have many stories of trackin him on a broke bay). Hes 9 now but will hunt him with anyone and am dieing to breed to some gyps before its to late being that the only gyps i got are 8 months and 6 months
how is the dog bred? Hey seth its the same one i told you about that im lookin for gyps for. Not to sure on his lineage because he was given to me as a gift from my father in law as a finished dog when i was just starting my own pack |
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« Reply #28 on: January 09, 2014, 01:29:09 pm » |
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Not to hijack the thread, but if I were starting over and I wanted to accomplish the same goals as you (silent mouth and working style of a cur with drive of a hound) I would find the absolute best cur female you could find and cross her over a running hound. (Trigg, Running Walker, Goodman, July, etc). Old bred foxhounds tend to have a much tighter mouth and you'd better your chances of having some tight mouthed pups from a first generation cross this way. And besides, who wants to deal with treeing instincts bred into their hog dogs.
The problem is, it's almost as hard to find true pure bred running hounds these days as it is to find silent plotts.
Keep in mind when breeding any type dog that your not breeding the dog in front of you as much as the whole lineage of the particular dog. Unless the "silent plott" is from a tight bred family of silent plotts, your odds are just as good to breed to the mouthiest son of a gun around and get the same results.
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« Reply #29 on: January 09, 2014, 01:48:07 pm » |
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Keep in mind when breeding any type dog that your not breeding the dog in front of you as much as the whole lineage of the particular dog. Unless the "silent plott" is from a tight bred family of silent plotts, your odds are just as good to breed to the mouthiest son of a gun around and get the same results.
This is the absolute truth..most accurate comment made on this thread. If everybody thought like this, there would be a lot of better dogs instead of so many random 1st time crosses that "should be" good dogs. Hats off to Bryant
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« Reply #30 on: January 09, 2014, 06:41:13 pm » |
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Keep in mind when breeding any type dog that your not breeding the dog in front of you as much as the whole lineage of the particular dog. Unless the "silent plott" is from a tight bred family of silent plotts, your odds are just as good to breed to the mouthiest son of a gun around and get the same results.
This is the absolute truth..most accurate comment made on this thread. If everybody thought like this, there would be a lot of better dogs instead of so many random 1st time crosses that "should be" good dogs. Hats off to Bryant
x3 in any breeding you have to look past the sire and dam...I put more value in what is bred in the dog from generations past...especially parents and grand parents of the dogs to be bred...and further back a plus if they are top hunting dogs...of course you want to breed to top dogs but I would rather breed to a cull from a top line of dogs than to one great dog from a long line of average dogs.. 1 silent plott in ten is not good odds to get silent pups...breed that top silent plott to that well bred parker and now you might have something to pick from for silent dogs that will look quite a bit like plotts... |
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« Reply #31 on: January 09, 2014, 08:10:21 pm » |
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If your wanting to breed for long range and cold nose and lots of bottom without the barking it's plenty of currs out there that can trail with a hound and get gone. The coldest nose cur I got can't take a 24 hour old track but I'm pretty sure can take one 6-7 hours old and has more bottom and range that will make it questionable about turning him loose. It's some currs out there that have a lot of similarities to a hound just have to find them. If your wanting to breed to a big game dog I have a real good buddy that has a 1/2plott 1/4walker1/4 English dog that's a super great trail dog with a lot of bottom that's 100% silent he's a top bear dog and they have some more full plotts that bark on track that are great bear dogs if you would be interested in something like that let me know and I'll help you get it set up
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