New and old hunters

[t-dog]

I have a nephew that is in high school and he and some of his buddies have started hunting their own dogs. He has been around me and my doggin since he was born. I have to say that I am very proud of him and the way that he asks for advice and takes it when he hasn't asked for it. The other day he has helping W.O.W and myself skin out some hogs and we were visiting and talking about dogs and other hunters we all knew and the styles of dogs they run and their techniques etc etc. A few weeks prior he and a couple of buddies brought a couple young dogs out to do some training. None of the dogs being trained were the nephews but he was helping. These boys have never been around training or hunting dogs until recently. They asked for my advice then 20 minutes later did exactly opposite of what I recommended. I know for fact that they have had this same encounter with other veteran hunters in the area because I was told about it by those hunters. Now I nor the these other old hunters know it all by any means, but we have been around for a minute and we do catch our share of pork. I started out hog doggin with men that were old enough to be my grand father. They were good at it and were good enough to tell me when I was messing up, when I was doing it right, and teach me ETHICS. In everything I have been involved in, there seems to always been some sort of unwritten rules. For example: If someone comes to me and says hay Thomas, I have a place out in such and such area and the hogs are eating me up, do you think you could help me out? Now If I know that someone else hunts around that immediate area, I will tell that person that someone else hunts that area and I will either give them the number to call that hunter, give their number to the hunter, or get with that hunter and set it up so we can go together. It usually depends on how the land owner wants to handle it. I don't just jump on it for myself though. There are plenty of hogs for us all, but this method keeps from over hunting a place. It keeps me from being blamed for any property damages that might happen when I was nowhere around. It also gives you access to places and saves you from having to do all the leg work of getting permission on surrounding places because someone else has already done it. Nobody wants to plan a hunt and find out the next day when they go that someone else was just in the immediate area the day before and wound up on their hunting spot and pushed the hogs out. To me it's just a respect thing. I wouldn't have asked for advice and then done exactly the opposite of what they suggested right in their face. To me it's just a respect thing. We all have to make our own mistakes and learn our own lessons, but we can do it without disrespecting others. I call it the knucklehead effect and it's these kind of people that don't respect their animals, other people, and put the stupid videos and pictures out there for the tree huggers to use for ammo against us. It's not just young kids either.

[reatj81]

We'll said I could add 3 pages to this one, as I'm sure many others can also.  I hope this thread beers read by all.   I may add more later.   


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[Bryant]

Doesn't make it right, but the world we live in today is much different than the one that a lot of us grew up in.

Sadly, respect seems to be a thing of the past.

[reatj81]

Wow my spell check isn't working


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[easttexasoutlaw33]

Not just young hunters. Have seen plenty on older guys on this site do same crap. Though it is more likely a young man acts this way because of maturity.

[Shotgun wg]

Most young folks know it all before they are born. So u tellin them don't mean squat. I'm sure each one of us learned a few lessons the hard way after being told different. I am not defending this type person at all but we have been there.

My parents taught me respect. Respect of them, elders , myself, animals, and just life in general.
I always try to go about things the right way. I have a couple places to hunt. Not great places but places. While talked to adjoining owners to ask for permission to retrieve my dogs I got access to more places. All of this before I turned loose on the first place. I do know other guys that have been known to run these places. I also know they don't have permission. Now if I hunt camp A and u hunt camp B I don't figure I need to ask ur permission to hunt my place. I do however say that I should do what I can to stay off u. Including not turning loose on the line. If my dogs get on u I will retrieve them and will not turn loose again until I am well within the property I hunt. I expect the same from u.

I have one place I hunt that is also hunted by others. If they are hunting I ask to join or wait till another day, I ask they do the same. I don't care for the fact that I drive by 4 days in a row and see 8 to 10 rigs hunting the place. I also don't like that when the owner gets in a bind in the middle of the summer I am the only one that will run. The other group hits this place real hard during the week in the spring when it's cold. I work during the day and that option is out for me. By the weekend it has been hunted 4 days in a row no reason to go now. After a few weeks of this all that is left is the Michael Lewis hogs that run for days, I understand the land owner is doing what he can to remove the hogs but I would like a lil gravy as well instead of cotton mouths and gators.

One more issue to me is an invite is only good for one hunt. That doesn't mean u can go there whenever u please.


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[TexasHogDogs]

I have come to the point in my life at 53.  I don't even offer advise anymore unless asked.  It does no good , goes threw one ear and out the other and is a waste of my time .  The greatest dog man and breeder in history could get on the net and one of these boards and be  made a fool of in less than a day and by someone that has no clue what he is doing other than reading about it on one of these message boards.

[t-dog]

You know it just ticked me off that they ask for advice to have something to go against it seems like. Bryant your right, different times. My circle of friends is real good about trying to help young hunters. Loaning collars out, cut vests, whatever they need. I myself have hooked them up with places to hunt. We have given young dogs and pups away that were nice animals only to find out that they took and sold them within a day or two of getting it or found out that they've starved the animal and even killed some pups that were around 4 months old and wouldn't bay a hog because they have started it on a hog that was way too rank and big for first time pups. It's not been the same ones that did all this but it sure does make a fella mad. Your right too east texas outlaw, it's not all youngsters either. I know who not to help now for sure but it gripes my azz to think them and of all the ones out there that are just like them that are a representation of our sport.

[kquinney10]

Like you said, we have to make our own mistakes and learn our own lessons and we did. I apologize.