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« Reply #40 on: April 18, 2014, 11:18:46 pm » |
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That's one of my favorite! Love them rednose. I helped my stepdad breed his tiger striped red noses for several years. Never had one cull when it came to needing one as a catchdog. Not saying there isn't plenty culls walking the streets but the ones we raised aimed to please an were very smart dogs. Brutus is good looker!
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« Reply #41 on: April 18, 2014, 11:46:47 pm » |
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Thank you very much yeah he looks good catches hard and aims to please every time before we go huntin he sits down and puts his foot up and waits till I shake his hand and then jumps up and it's like he's givin me a hug it's really cool it's like he saying I love you if I don't make it out of this one
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« Reply #42 on: April 19, 2014, 10:51:57 pm » |
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I've seen a few great bulldogs over the years and a lot of half a$$ ones. You won't know you had a great one until it's gone and your trying to replace him and it's hard nowadays to find good bulldogs. I know I've been hunting several times with some sorry bulldogs because that would be the replacements and I remember just hoping they would hold on long enough for me to get in there and get my hands on the hog or atleast hope they went in there haha and got enough dogs in there that something would catch . I sure don't miss them days of hunting. It's when you get in these situations is when you ask your self how much is bulldog worth. I wouldn't take 2000$ for the one I use right now he's not worth that much but he's a pretty decent catch dog and i wouldn't know where to get another and I sure don't want to go back to the " hoping they catch dogs" now a good trusty catch dog is so hard to find I bought a vest for him because like to lost him a few times and I got to thinking i probably couldn't replace him and I have never been a vest person so we will see
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« Reply #43 on: April 20, 2014, 09:16:33 am » |
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Here is a ? To the ? Why do fellas pay 2000 for a strike dog but 100 for cd makes little since to me why the price difference totally different jobs but just as important try one with out the other
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« Reply #44 on: April 20, 2014, 09:34:09 am » |
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There are thousands of bulldogs in the pounds. That's why. Supply and demand. No these pound pits may not be the best option but for the most part u can find one that will hold. Some won't chance a questionable dog but many others will try them until they find a good one.
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« Reply #45 on: April 20, 2014, 09:38:21 am » |
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Another point is life expectancy. Look at the price of rough dogs oppose to loose dogs. Same scenario.
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« Reply #46 on: April 20, 2014, 10:27:26 am » |
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Yea they are very valuable but it would be hard to go pay 2000$ for one that you know the odds are against everytime you load him up. As to where a strike dog he has a little better odds to coming back home as to a bulldog who has very good odds of not getting to come back home
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« Reply #47 on: April 20, 2014, 10:44:00 am » |
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I diss agree there are thousands of dogs in the pound I would say for every one you could turn into a catch dog there is one there that would make a strike dog just would not be of the preferred breed that's the only thing I see and since 2004 we have only lost one cd and he wasn't found dead just never found him and have only lost two bay dogs to hogs so I don't understand all of the losses people say must be due to no vest on those cd cuz I have caught my share of big pigs with these sorry dogs of mine and to tell the truth most cut are on the same dogs over and over cd usely come out Scott free but I value my catch dog way more than the rest I guess that's all Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk - now Free
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« Reply #48 on: April 20, 2014, 10:52:51 am » |
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back in the 1980's it seemed most apbt's made catch dogs...nowadays it is not so...I culled 2 straight and I had raised them as pups...I still prefer a top notch strike dog first...then a good catch dog...
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« Reply #49 on: April 20, 2014, 11:11:38 am » |
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A GOOD cd is worth saving you and your other dogs injuries small all the way to mortal. Not sure how u put a price on that, but apparently, it aint worth too much! Lol. I think Shotgun said it about right though
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« Reply #50 on: April 20, 2014, 11:15:31 am » |
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Yes Ruben I agree with out a strike dog you ain't going to find much but with a good catch dog no matter the breed be hard to catch one Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk - now Free
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« Reply #51 on: April 20, 2014, 11:51:40 am » |
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U can think about it like this. When a man is looking for a cd his first priority is that it catch. Second part is usually catch ear. Third is no HA. Fourth is no DA. Then comes go to the bay and quite in the box. After point 1 there is always someone that would give the dog a chance if the price is right.
Now look at a bay dog. First is find its own hog. No trash. Loose or rough (preference) go to bay, bottom, range . All of that is for a well started dog a man wants to give 5 to 700 for. Any less than all of these points and a dog is a cull.
While a CD is an important part of the full picture it can be done without him. The likely hood of finding this dog for a relatively low amount of money is probable. While finding a bay dog as described for the same money is possible but not probable.
I will agree that there are some people that lose dogs on a regular basis that I believe do not do enough to protect them because they feel they are a dime a dozen. These same people have a tendency to lose bay dogs as well.
I personally can't afford a bay dog that cost $1,000.00 much less a bulldog. My max I could spend for a good dog is $500. I know that will probly never buy me a good dog but it is what it is. A bull dog max for me would be about $250 because regardless of how much gear I put on him to protect him he is going into the eye of the storm. One good lick could end it in the blink of an eye. Once I got a good dog be it a CD or Bay/strike dog I would never think about selling them for 2 or even 3x the price I paid. It would take holy smokes money and even then I would have to think about it.
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« Reply #52 on: April 20, 2014, 12:10:52 pm » |
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Shot gun I hear what you are saying I guess the big thing for me and my dogs is that my cd helps my bay dogs not the other way around like most doggers I value all my dogs equal for each part they play I have never paid big money for a dog cuz well I ain't got big money but you couldn't get any of my dogs cheap from me cuz if they work I keep em if you look at the dog trade looks like just as many people looking or selling each jmo Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk - now Free
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« Reply #53 on: April 20, 2014, 08:11:27 pm » |
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Well the question was "what's a catch dog worth"... Just any old cd that you can lead in and him go to a bay short range- free/100$. I've never sold one for more then 50$ I did trade a guy a six foot trailer one time, still haven't used it smh. Real easy to get just another cd, but the good ones and the great ones are few an far between.
Just being able to catch good and ride in a box or truck well doesn't do much for me. I guess I'm just harder to please when it comes to catch dogs. If he can't handle the heat/walking miles/back to back hunts the dog is just another cd. Don't get me wrong, the big fat pretty muscled up bulldogs I see all the time are nice but I've seen plenty die and a hog never touched one. The heat and drowning is a big issue with the big muscled up breeds. That's one big reason a lot of people walk their bulldog all the way up to the bay, then pray that they do t miss and the hog doesn't break for a river.
when you get that catchdog that pretty much does every single thing that you could ask for him, there's not a price tag you can put on em. ALTHOUGH I am looking for a house:) haha
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« Reply #54 on: April 21, 2014, 08:54:13 am » |
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U can think about it like this. When a man is looking for a cd his first priority is that it catch. Second part is usually catch ear. Third is no HA. Fourth is no DA. Then comes go to the bay and quite in the box. After point 1 there is always someone that would give the dog a chance if the price is right.
Now look at a bay dog. First is find its own hog. No trash. Loose or rough (preference) go to bay, bottom, range . All of that is for a well started dog a man wants to give 5 to 700 for. Any less than all of these points and a dog is a cull.
While a CD is an important part of the full picture it can be done without him. The likely hood of finding this dog for a relatively low amount of money is probable. While finding a bay dog as described for the same money is possible but not probable.
I will agree that there are some people that lose dogs on a regular basis that I believe do not do enough to protect them because they feel they are a dime a dozen. These same people have a tendency to lose bay dogs as well.
I personally can't afford a bay dog that cost $1,000.00 much less a bulldog. My max I could spend for a good dog is $500. I know that will probly never buy me a good dog but it is what it is. A bull dog max for me would be about $250 because regardless of how much gear I put on him to protect him he is going into the eye of the storm. One good lick could end it in the blink of an eye. Once I got a good dog be it a CD or Bay/strike dog I would never think about selling them for 2 or even 3x the price I paid. It would take holy smokes money and even then I would have to think about it.
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