Things that make ya go hmmmm

[Semmes]

Agree wholeheartedly in all you wrote Reuben

[WayOutWest]

The problem Leifal is that many will assimilate but there are those who don't fit in and will identify with whatever crazy terrorists are active at that time and with the internet they will find like minded malcontents and someone will educate them on how to attack.

[Reuben]

when I was younger I used to buy the Discover and the Scientific American magazines and read about the latest breakthroughs  and I was especially interested in the cures that I knew were right around the corner...but they never happened...It took me a while to figure out that they (pharmaceutical companies) will give you a smoke screen so we can feel good about what they are doing for mankind...but in reality they are not looking for a cure...they are looking for better treatments so we are practically drained of our accounts before we die or hopefully get well...seems like it has been a very long time since a major breakthrough...the biggest is probably antibiotics for bacterial infections...polio was a vey big business until a doctor found a cure that cured his wife and the many millions more were cured and that about broke the medical industry...but they learned well from that breakthrough/cure...

not that long ago 2 scientist were awarded the Nobel Prize for finding a cure for acid reflux but somehow that one was swept under the rug and that daily purple pill was introduced as the best thing ever for treating acid reflux...again the key word is treatment and not a cure...

there is a home remedy for a cure but no pharmaceutical company in there right mind will pursue that on account it is natural and natural can't be patented...at least not at this time...

what would happen to the economy if there was a cure for all cancers? Just a trip to the family doctor and a 20 dollar prescription...one pill a day for two weeks and you were cured... 

mental illness cured the same way...Heart/diabetes...mental illness...

speaking of mental illness...there is a group that has improved those with certain types of mental illness with way better results than with prescription drugs...a better treatment for ADD, Bipolar disorder, Schizophrenia, and depression...it is done with certain types of vitamins and the FDA has done their best to shut them down...

The FDA is made up of a group of high powered individuals which also includes many Pharmaceutical CEO's...must I say any more...

it's all about greed...

I was going to talk some on the stock market but I think I will pass on that one...I lost a lot of money learning how to play the game...I learned to not listen to all the news because most of the time when they say sell, sell, sell...the suckers are selling and the big boys are buying...someone has to sell before someone else can buy...and when they say buy, buy, buy...we buy so they can sell...I have seen other tricky plays...the only thing I will say is I operate strictly off of trends and when a report is fixing to come out that can be a big changer in the direction of the market I sit on the sidelines...

The thing that bothers me most is that there aren't many retirement programs left...only 401k type of programs and we are depending on those plans as a retirement and in reality we are gambling with our futures...the majority of the workforce do not care to learn about investing...I can't say I blame anyone for that...

GREED is the root cause in why we keep heading in the wrong direction which eventually will lead to severe changes in how we live and we should start trending in the other direction...towards less human population...

Why do the world leaders continue to encourage Growth...because it helps the economy...meaning more money in their pockets...and in reality if we are land owners, homeowners, business owners, we are basically in the same boat...it is all about supply and demand...if the population trends down and we have a surplus of homes the value will fall...we as home owners do not want that...the taxes will drop as well be cause of lowered values...all businesses will falter due to less business...all the stock holders will lose money because the stock prices will fall...most everyone will suffer because of it...

so in my mind we will continue in this direction until it is almost too late...we will change because it will become a necessity to do so...but even if we stop abruptly that momentum we have created will take us far in the same direction before we see a change for the better with our environment...I hope it won't be too late for those that will be here to see it...

you ask a country boy that was born 50 years ago in the wide open country about the world population and more than likely he will tell you it is bad today...you ask another person the same question that was born and raised in an apartment in New York City and he will probably tell you it is all good...the more the merrier...

depending on where  we are born has a lot to do with how we perceive different situations...that is until we become better educated...

My hope is that more and more folks will see what I see and when we all become one voice we will make the hard choices to save us from ourselves...and hopefully it will be the best possible decision for all of mankind as well as for all living creatures and species of plants/trees etc...

I may come across like I am a tree hugger, anti hunter, anti gunner...but in reality I dislike all those fanatics...I like to believe that I am with the elites in all those departments(ethical hunters)...I am some of all that I mentioned...but am very logical about it...I believe in hunting but also believe in monitoring to ensure the game I hunt is at a good balance for the species and the environment and if it means not hunting that game for a few seasons to regain a healthy population I would be in total agreement...I care about their habitat...I believe we should own guns if we like...but I also believe there are a few who shouldn't...etc...etc...

I seem to be off subject here but managing our resources and game has a lot to do with loss of habitat due to over population/growth etc...

turning the population around has a lot to do with all aspects of our economy...

[liefalwepon]

I totally agree Rueben, I try to not ever go to doctors, they are trained by the pharmaceutical industry to be drug pushers, however if you break your arm or need surgery they are great. I try to focus on health(mind, body, spirit) And nutrition. I grow most of my veggies and hunt and fish for most of my meat. I guess Im kind of a redneck hippie. Ya those vitamin B12 shots will really reverse a lot of mental illness including alzheimers and schizophrenia. I just hope my son has lots of fish to catch and game to hunt and the rights to do so.

[Semmes]

Reuben, I agree with most all of the veiws you have presented in this thread and past threads. Be them political, environmental/conservational and pretty much spot on about hogdogs and breeding and selection as well for that matter...

It's often said that emotions are lost or easily confused in typing words on forums like this and other Internet media. I have seen it happen to others as well as been on both ends if it myself, by taking things typed the wrong way or having my words takin the wrong way. Seen countless times folks end up all bent out of shape with one another and when they actually meet or talk on the phone to one another they find alot of commonality and that they are both on the same side of most issues.

I read posts like yours, on most subject matters this board covers and your opinions are always eloquently and diplomatically presented that are laid out honestly and pasionately and there is not much intrepretation needed to glean the intent you are conveying. So; 'Reuben's ramblings' are a real pleasure to read and I imagine they would be for folks that didn't agree your views on topics (be it dogs right on thru to off topic)would probably have to say that as well.

Thank you sir....

Now in your earlier post you stated, you don't agree with migration.

That is interesting and I think it leads into the other issues you touched on as well.

The population of the world is growing exponentially. This is a fact as you stated and I too believe it is totally unsustainable for the planet as big of a footprint one human makes compared to most other animals, much less billions of humans.

This is not the 1400's, the 1800's or any other era in human history further back or further forward to the present. There is now more untamed (or very little) where a handful of large countries can conquer and colonize like our ancestors did on every continent no matter your particular race.

Nature has checks and balances. The strongest should be the ones to survive.

Humans are afforded avenues to migrate away from these natural checks and balances.

If the Arabs can't grow their own food and over populate their regions or just can't get along with each other because of nutty radical veiws, they should be forced to deal with it themselves. Same with the Africans, the North Koreans and other asian nations, the folks from south and Central America, as well as Europe and us in North America. If these societies implode it's natures way of culling. Indeed it's the human species way of culling the weak and ignorant.

This whole world globalization should be halted. All countries should close their borders and hash out their own futures drawing upon their specific national experiences of their past.

Nuthin seems to mess up a society worse or quicker then constantly melding, or trying to, folks of different beliefs together.

That's the reason we have Muslim, Hindu, Christian, atheistic etc nations to begin with. Folks of a like mind naturally get along better together.

I undrrstand that America is a bit different. We are the land of the free. We've always had many dif races creeds and religions co-mingling and coexisting together, peacefully for the most part and ever changing slightly thru internal revolution. Which historcally turned out better for all to exist happily together.

We have to or we suffer the consequences of a large cull. As we should...

In the 80's 90's the races of this country seemed to me to get along way more then they do today. Everybody seemed to be moving forward and healing. I, in my lifetime, I'm 44, have never seen this country more divided. Maybe we are headed for a big cull here... Maybe it's due to migration of dif cultures religions and races becoming overwhelming. When mixing paint you mix in a little at a time if each color you have and you always tend to end up with the same final color. When you pour a big glob of one color real fast it changes drastically. At the same rate of mixing you never get back to the continuity you originally had. (These colors could be a metaphor for race or religion or culture or whatever)

One thing I'd like to address said by another poster about assimilation. Islam doesn't assimilate. It's fundamentally again their 'religion' culture. To do so would be a great sin for them. They are called to change or isolate then in turn exterminate infidels.

And all these humanitarian efforts we always hear about. Pledging billions around the world to bail out folks from problems of their own making is just accelerating the BIG cull. Instead nature should be allowed the mini culls to take place. It's a check. It's the strongest survive natures way. If they overpopulate or their culture hasn't advanced enough to cope with what the earth has in store then they should have to suffer the consequence and reach their own balance.

Haiti was a good example of this and there are many more.

Anyway...like you I tend to get up on the soapbox and probably bored alot of folks to pieces... Sorry lol

What do y'all think about what this guy has to say?
Anybody been following retired admiral Lyons?
It kinda addresses some things along the lines of my first two links...
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=XcB8Pcm7790

[Reuben]

Semmes...I thank you...

Your last post is one of the best I have read in a long time...

I agree with all of what you are saying...immigration needs to be stopped...if others want to crap in their our country because of greed or lack of intelligence then they can do as they please...but don't pick up and move elsewhere and continue to do the same thing...Our ship is on the verge of sinking and we sure don't need more passengers trying to climb on board...

desperate countries will become our business...so we will need to be like the lamb Ben Franklin was talking about...

I read this quote a good while back and I kept it because it is so true...

Democracy is two wolves and a lamb voting on what to have for lunch. Liberty is a well-armed lamb contesting the vote. –Ben Franklin—

[Reuben]

I forgot to mention on Admiral Lyons message...The last part of what he said I totally believe on what he has said about Obama...he hit the nail right on the head...

I believe one of our big wars will be against the islamics...by the looks of it it might be a civil war with all this immigration...

[liefalwepon]

assimilation will happen, the children of those islamic immigrants will want more freedom, you cant live within a country with this much freedom to choose and not want that for yourself, be it sexual freedom, economic freedom, social freedom, religious freedom, or what have you, thats why most of the islamic folks already in america are not wearing traditional dress, they arent praying in the direction of mecca however many times a day they are supposed to on that little rug, they are having premarital sex and listening to modern music. the younger folks quickly abandon the strictness of their religion and their culteral traditions for the american way. The people in most islamic countries want everything we have, its mostly the political and religious leaders who despise America and our ways. those islamic men will abandon their religion to marry beautiful white women in a heart beat. Thats why immigrants come to this country, they want everything that we have. the ones that dont assimilate will wind up like the Amish. I do agree about closing our borders, we need to focus on making this country stronger, not policing the world, and wasting money on senseless wars. We could have given every child in America a college education with the money thats been spent in the middle east since the gulf war. We should be launching children not missiles

[Reuben]

assimilation will happen, the children of those islamic immigrants will want more freedom, you cant live within a country with this much freedom to choose and not want that for yourself, be it sexual freedom, economic freedom, social freedom, religious freedom, or what have you, thats why most of the islamic folks already in america are not wearing traditional dress, they arent praying in the direction of mecca however many times a day they are supposed to on that little rug, they are having premarital sex and listening to modern music. the younger folks quickly abandon the strictness of their religion and their culteral traditions for the american way. The people in most islamic countries want everything we have, its mostly the political and religious leaders who despise America and our ways. those islamic men will abandon their religion to marry beautiful white women in a heart beat. Thats why immigrants come to this country, they want everything that we have. the ones that dont assimilate will wind up like the Amish. I do agree about closing our borders, we need to focus on making this country stronger, not policing the world, and wasting money on senseless wars. We could have given every child in America a college education with the money thats been spent in the middle east since the gulf war. We should be launching children not missiles

Amen to that...

and I do agree with the majority of the youngsters changing to our ways...some will want to blow up people at main events...that will happen...but most will adapt to our ways...but this is different than extreme over population issues that will eventually will bring about big changes one day...

I have already seen quite a bit of change in the folks that came here from India...no dot on the foreheads for many and the women tend to dress American...

[liefalwepon]

Around here middle easterners own almost every gas station and convenience store and Ive seen them change over the years and Ive seen their children grow up and now their grand children. Im not friends with them, they just have different interests but the grand kids are definitely all American, they just want to live the American dream, well the new version. But immigration is helping destroy this country, new comers dont know the history of our country or government and dont care, what they are taught in school is lie. even my generation was taught that we live in a democracy and that its all about voting, which is BS. Not many people are even familiar with the term Constitutional Republic. Our founding fathers created the framework for the greatest country on earth and us citizens have let all their hard work and blood be for naught. Every American should have to take a class about the constitution, our founding fathers and their intentions. A Muslim America is worrisome but Agenda 21 and the Climate Action Plan is more worrisome, not to mention all these international trade agreements that supercede our domestic laws including the constitution. This country is being lost on many fronts but greatly in the minds of young Americans who never understood its greatness to begin with and the concepts behind inalienable rights and common law

[Reuben]

Liefalwepon I got your pm...you mention the middle easterners grand children are acclimating to our way of life and I agree...I agree and in my opinion that is how it usually works in all cultures...small minded people everywhere in the good ole USA talk noise on the Mexican immigrants on must speak English bla bla bla...that is small potatoes in my book...that will fix itself in the second generation and the ones that come here as kids will be bilingual...the third generation there will be many that will only speak English and those that are still bilingual will prefer to speak English.

I am against most all immigration to the USA not anything to do with language but due to other issues like free medical, disability pay, unemployment pay, social security pay, and to me the worst part is the overpopulation issues we have today that some folks don't see...

I believe in giving and helping the less fortunate to an extent but the well able should earn their own check as I have for 42+ years...we have plenty of needy folks without having to take more...I am depending on my Social Security check to supplement my retirement and hope it will last throughout my retirement years which are right around the corner...

my guess is that quite a few of those migrating here are lower income folks that that is all they know and will degenerate our Country as it is today...just by over population our we will be losing rights...less percentage of people fish and hunt therefore bills/laws will be presented and passed because many will not hunt and fish...those are near and dear to me...as the nation gets poorer the people tend to vote for the poor and those become the major force at the poll...they will vote for higher taxes on those that have worked hard for what they have...land owners will be taxed higher and pretty much anything that is of value will be taxed somehow by the majority (have nots)...

I know you say that votes don't count and in some cases it does not matter especially when there is money to be made under the table...the activists pass what they want by catering to our congress/senators...these groups and support by voting...

right now in Texas they are trying to pass A proposition and it will be on the November Ballot, "The Right to Hunt and Fish"...I think that is great but that should have been on the "Bill Of Rights"...

[Reuben]

Like I have said before...IMO the root cause is greed but a major symptom is over population...in most every thing I do and think...has to do with looking for the root cause and or the big picture...I never did well in school because of it amongst other things...tried the college thing and I couldn't keep up so...  ...but for whatever reason I solved many problems at work that even the experts could not figure but I always had time on my side...and I always wanted to learn from those that were well educated such as the great engineers I have had the pleasure to work with...I had to have the root cause well understood...my job was to run the plant but I wanted to know more about it...

but maybe me being a root cause fix kind of guy started as a very young boy...I chopped cotton as a youngster in our field with my family and a few hires...but I always wanted to be around my grandfather who was born in 1882...I loved his stories amongst other things about him...chopping cotton was done for 2 reasons back then...cut some of the cotton plants out so the others could produce more and also to cut out the weeds...I remember cutting the weeds even with the ground because that was easier...my grandfather explained and showed me which ones could be cut even to the ground and which ones the ROOT had to come out because they would sprout again if not taken out...maybe that is what influenced how I think today...if you want to fight alligators you can and it will be ongoing...if you want to get rid of them drain the swamp...but the swamp is there for other good reasons as well...maybe it is the right thing and maybe not...

like was mentioned earlier the world population has doubled 5 times in the last 2015 years...it is now 7.4 billion humans walking, driving, and flying around...

and the last 2 times it doubled happened in the last 100 years which is very alarming to me...parabolic growth and it can only get worse...but with higher populations, it becomes very natural to those that are born in it...thus a big problem...

dividing the population backwards we can see how it used to be...50 years or so ago the world population was 3.7 billion and 50 years before that it was 1.85 billion (China has between 1.3 and 1.4 billion right now)...and so the world population in different times in the previous 1900 years, the population was 925 million and 46 million before that and 23 million at the first time it was recorded in those 1900 years...I see todays population as a huge problem...My theory is that one of the main reasons why the population was so low back then was due to the technology available to them in those days such as medicine and the ability to grow crops and, or to live off the land as wild animals do today...back then tribes guarded their territory for many reasons but probably the main reason had to do with protecting their main resource...which was their food sources...

I copied and pasted the below message from an article I read...according to the message it sounds like something that is very bad...I see it as something great that needs to happen all around the world...maybe scaling back our world population to about 1/3 of what it is today...let me see...if that were to happen we would have bigger places to hunt...the tree huggers would have more trees to hug...the EPA would be happy because less people to poop in their own back yards and the environment etc...etc...ok...the fanatics will never be happy...



More than 1 in 4 people in Japan are now 65 or older


Japan’s population has dropped for the fourth year in a row, bringing it to a low not seen since 2000.

There were just more than 127 million people living in Japan as of last Oct. 1, which marked a decrease of 215,000 people compared with one year earlier, according to newly released government data reported by the Guardian.

The biggest problem for Japan may be the rate at which its population is aging. The number of people age 65 or older in Japan has reached 33 million. More than 1 in 4 people are older than 65 and they outnumber people 14 and younger 2 to 1. The government estimates the population will drop to 86.7 million by 2060, with people over 65 making up 40% of the country.

Though the problem of falling birthrates and aging population is particularly acute in Japan, a similar problem is also brewing in Europe and the U.S. The federal government’s data from late last year showed that 2013 birthrates hit a record low in the U.S. in 2013, down 9% from a high in 2007, as American women delay having children.

[Reuben]

A double edged sword...

Yesterday I was driving out to the bay pen and as I was driving I saw all the growth we have been having in the last 5 or so years...lots of beautiful trees getting bulldozed down and permanent buildings/roads going up and new pipelines going in everywhere where it once was good wild animal habitat...I am guilty of the same when I bought 10 acres and cleared them to raise the value of the land as well as it was a good location for value increase...

we as a population want to succeed but we somehow need to regulate ourselves as a whole...and it probably will not happen until we all are thinking in the same way and hopefully we will do so before we destroy our environment...

the big question is...how can we downsize without jacking up our economy?

like I said before...I don't care for tree huggers or anti hunters...they are focused on the minor symptoms and they need to focus on the population issues...fix that and the other problems will go away or be alleviated...

the anti gunners...they too are looking at a symptom...it is not the gun but the person behind the gun...part of the education system should include better parenting skills so the major issues than can contribute to people growing up and killing with any kind of weapon can be minimized...sometimes living conditions contribute to this type of behavior...

I am not a tree hugger but I do appreciate an old live oak tree...or a big ole mesquite sitting in the middle of nowhere...and those cyprus trees...they are awesome...

a friend of mine had access to a big bull dozer and he said the first tree he was going to bulldoze was a big mesquite tree sitting out in the open...it bothered me but he can do whatever he wants if that is what the owner wants...

[Semmes]

Very good discussion thus far!

Appreciate the honest input guys. This is the season of politics and folks need to be discussing things candidly and honestly and freely.  This is one thing that still sets this country apart most. It's a freedom we all have relatives or friends that died to afford us this right, No matter what particular race, creed or color from which we are derived. We as a country, in turn, have fought to allow other countries around the world the power to have this same right.
 
Watch this video, it's a pretty good foreshadowing of events and just seems very poignant after the direction our country has gone after the last 7 yrs and considering Hillary or either a self proclaimed socialist could have a real shot at controlling the next 4!

I know I'm preachin to the choir here as well but thought I'd share.
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=El7qgQXd-xs

Now I'm just an average joe, blue collar, workin class guy not rich at all. I have made my boss (small company) a wealthy man. In turn he has afforded me a good middle class life. Have I always made the best choices? ...not hardly. I take responsibility for any wrong turns I may have made which will probably not leave me as comfortable as I may hope in the future. I'm just glad my boss of 15yrs took the initiative to create something that has grown into something that has made him wealthy but in turn grew from something that made a total of 3 hardworking people that were all able to live a comfortable life into something where 15 hardworking people can raise a family and live comfortably.

Here's another good little clip. It speaks a bit to the greed thing you are speaking about. About halfway thru the guy mentions the 'greed initiave'.

Should I hate the man I work for because he became wealthy, or because physically work harder than him now?  Heck no... He is a friend, has always been fair and afforded me a very comfortable life and that in turn funded my wife's two college degrees. I hope he lets me keep doing a good job for him as long as I'm able to and have the freedom to do it. That is one of the things along with our constitution that makes this country the greatest on earth!
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=JApAQlANyzg

[Reuben]

Rueben, you are dead on about the direction this world is headed. Water rights are gonna be the number one fight in the future. In Washington state now a business in the country with it's own well has to pay the state for the water. They tried to get everyone to do it but it didn't fly so they just did the businesses.

as a kid I remember a pearl beer commercial that was called pearl beer from the country of 1100 springs...I am thinking some of those springs might of dried up from the many water wells that have been dug for water use...

I read an article the other day about Big Spring, Texas...There used to be a large spring in that area that many people used back in the old days, mostly American Indians and wild animals drank from it...that spot became a US post for the American soldiers to guard it to keep the Indians from using it and that cut down the Indians range. since those years the big spring dried up...after years of it being dry...they now pump water into it to maintain a water level...

[Freedom-Fighter00]

Liefalwepon. There already here. All the Serians they brought through New Orleans and now Tx.
Charles. That's funny number 2. I often wonder what would happen if I took a load of caught hogs and turned loose in a mosque. I bet it would be funny as hell. I bet instead of fighting with bullets in Iraq we drop pigs. I think we could end the war pretty fast.
82 Airborne!!!!
A/Co 1-504
HOOAH!

[warrent423]

Political correctness just like some on this site. If your not American your not sh$t. F$ck the rest of the world. Love it or leave it. If anyone wants to disrupt what we are they need to die. I don't care who reads this if your not American your sh$t to me. Nothing wrong with Muslims as long as they want to be American. Same as Christians Mormon etc. I don't believe in African American Mexican American what ever pretense American. Your either American or not. America needs that cockiness back.


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;)Either assimilate or leave. No hyphenated Americans

[warrent423]

That was meant to be a wink

[liefalwepon]

Liefalwepon. There already here. All the Serians they brought through New Orleans and now Tx.
Charles. That's funny number 2. I often wonder what would happen if I took a load of caught hogs and turned loose in a mosque. I bet it would be funny as hell. I bet instead of fighting with bullets in Iraq we drop pigs. I think we could end the war pretty fast.
82 Airborne!!!!
A/Co 1-504
HOOAH!

they werent when I wrote that post. the neoliberal plan is to bring millions into our country over the long term, they want domestic terrorism so they can take away more of our freedoms. I heard that some of the ones they brought in through texas are already unaccounted for