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« on: May 20, 2024, 10:39:26 pm » |
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I’m sure everyone has dealt with something similar after they’ve hunted a spot for years and years. The hogs start changing and eventually the dogs will have to too. I was wondering all the different ways one could’ve went about it to keep their dogs on the game they’re pursuing. If there was a dog down the road that gotten bred in and that’s when things started changing or did you have to start fresh with a new line. Here’s some pups off my slick and flash dog. A creation to help me with the pressured hogs.  Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk |
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t-dog
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« Reply #1 on: May 20, 2024, 11:29:03 pm » |
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I for sure have dealt with it. Our hogs are pretty wild. Everybody is shooting in daylight, night time thermals, traps, trying to run over them, helicopters, snares, and dogs. I probably missed a couple of methods too. My dogs use to be pretty loose baying. Over the years I have concentrated on brains, smart dogs figure out ways to win. Another must is track driving speed, the less recovery time a hog gets and the harder he has to run the sooner it bays up or makes a mistake. Then there is the bite. I don’t want stupid rough but I do want the stock sense. I want them to know when to apply pressure and when to back off and how to size a hog up. Bay to the head and BITE to the rear not pinch.
In my opinion, I believe breeding a good consistent line of hog dogs is one of the hardest tasks out there. There aren’t many other disciplines that breed for as many traits as a hog dog.
My dogs evolved by selecting the dogs that were stronger where I thought I needed change. I also made an outcross to a really good line that was very similar to my dogs except that line was overly gritty but the tracking speed, brains, and build were very similar.
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HIGHWATER KENNELS
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« Reply #2 on: May 21, 2024, 09:08:03 am » |
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Pressured hogs,,, LOL>> Man,, i dont know where none is at that aint these days.. If anyone has em I will definitely pay the gas to get us there and dinner to eat while we hunt..
Of course Im saying all this sarcastically and I know what you mean when you have to deal with this problem ... I hate it for me and my son because he wont never see again what I was raised and saw when it comes to hogs baying and not runnning for hells half acre...
Just this past weekend we caught one and it was 32 miles on the dog collars when we got back to the camp... And we left from the camp to go across the road on our lease directly.. So now I know how many miles I can get to a tank of gas in my honda rancher cause it was almost empty when I got back to the camp.. LOL...
Fast track speed is a key factor,, BUT I will also say in bad cutovers with briars that will cut your clothes off ,, Unending bottom in a dog is needed also... Believe one thing ,, hogs know to run because the dogs that run em just 30 min they have got away from...
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Hoghunters do it deeper in the bush.
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Judge peel
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« Reply #3 on: May 21, 2024, 06:26:28 pm » |
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Arkansas 96 those some sharp pups ya the key is stick or grit and speed to stop them as soon as possible. Highway you exactly right lot of people out there got 30 min dogs ain’t nothing wrong with that if that’s what you want but every hog you don’t stop you just taught a lesson
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Cajun
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« Reply #4 on: May 22, 2024, 12:10:30 pm » |
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Those are some pretty pups. I am like Highwater and a few others on here. I remember the days we used to bay up sounders and have way more bays then hogs that break. I think there are several reasons for that. back in the day, we mostly had open woods and feral hogs that were half tame. When they closed open range and started cutting the timber out creating cutovers it was a lot easier for the hog to escape. Also in the late 80's Baying contests evolved and everyone wanted to be a hoghunter. Also Russian boar were imported in to several areas and that put alot of the run in them. Like Highwatrer said the short distance dogs that could not hang with a runner taught hogs to run and they were the ones that got to breed so the hogs evolved. The hog hunters had to evolve with them breeding dogs with more stick. That being said there are still hogs out there that can run the air out of the dogs.
All this got me thinking of the ways hoghunting has changed. When I started out, we either road horses or walked hunted. I remember when I got a Honda 185 Big Red 3 wheeler. Man I thought I was in high cotton. Then in the mid 80's We got telemetry tracking collars and we were fixed. Thought that was the best thing since peanut butter. Shocking collars came next and we sure had straighter dogs and didnt have to spend so much time looking for dogs. We used to put a telemetry collar, a shock collar and the dogs regular collar on. I thought we would have to start breeding longer necks on these dogs. Then came side x sides, Garmins, feeders and trail camers. Everything has gotten easier except catching running hogs. lol Also as times went on we have lost more and more land to hunt and almost everything is leased up. We have the Urbanites that move out to the country and they buy 5 acres and think they own the rest.
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Bayou Cajun Plotts
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HIGHWATER KENNELS
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« Reply #5 on: May 23, 2024, 08:28:13 am » |
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We have the Urbanites that move out to the country and they buy 5 acres and think they own the rest.
Man,, truer words have never been spoken,,, Dont know what it will be like in yrs to come for this great sport we grew up doing...
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Hoghunters do it deeper in the bush.
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t-dog
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« Reply #6 on: May 23, 2024, 05:22:17 pm » |
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Highwater and Cajun, I understand completely. I feel like one of the cattle ranchers from the olden days when the sheep farmers started drifting in, can’t stand them, don’t agree with them, and don’t want them around.
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Arkansashunter96
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« Reply #7 on: June 05, 2024, 01:47:05 am » |
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lol I’m training piglets from birth. I’m still trying to find that happy medium between to much nose and not enough in the right chassis And the grit too. I ain’t got enough of it but in three and they’re basically rcds I hardly use. Seems like we used to bay sounders more but I had older dogs then too. I kinda suspect one of my dogs braking bays for the chase
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t-dog
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« Reply #8 on: June 05, 2024, 09:19:29 pm » |
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Nose has never been an issue for us. One we have a large population but even in the droughts it can pretty hard to smell anything. I guess I’ve been lucky enough to breed to good noses all along and maybe those were the dogs I chose because they had the nose required to get it done the way I wanted. Now bite, to me that is a big challenge. Too much and too little is relative to each situation I think. It’s a really fine line.
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Reuben
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« Reply #9 on: June 06, 2024, 08:20:04 am » |
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Nose has never been an issue for us. One we have a large population but even in the droughts it can pretty hard to smell anything. I guess I’ve been lucky enough to breed to good noses all along and maybe those were the dogs I chose because they had the nose required to get it done the way I wanted. Now bite, to me that is a big challenge. Too much and too little is relative to each situation I think. It’s a really fine line.
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I agree… Better nose makes a dog….if you like baying sounders you’ll need very little bite… Like T-dog said, there’s a fine line between not enough bite or too much bite…not enough bite and many times busted bays…I like to error towards too much bite…it definitely shortens the race… I won’t own a BMC but one of the best dogs I hunted behind was a cow dog cull on account he was too gritty for working cattle…he had the best chop mouth I ever heard…when striking on a good track he would bark three times in about the first 100 yards and he would be moving the track quickly…next time you heard him it was a bayed hog…the hog would be backed up to a tree or anything that would take the heat off his rear…the dog would be baying in his face…Nugget was a beautiful reddish gold dog with lots of black on his face and ears…he had plenty of ear for a BMC…I could of bought him for $325…that was many years ago… |
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Training dogs is not about quantity, it's more about timing, the right situations, and proper guidance...After that it's up to the dog...
A hunting dog is born not made...
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t-dog
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So much of how much bite and when it’s needed comes from brains and stock sense. Lots of dogs are the same degree of rough (loose or catchy) on every hog. The dogs with stock sense know when to apply pressure and how much. I’m my opinion, this is the greatest contribution the cur type dogs bring to the table.
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Reuben
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T-dog…you are absolutely right on…
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Training dogs is not about quantity, it's more about timing, the right situations, and proper guidance...After that it's up to the dog...
A hunting dog is born not made...
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I agree with tdog they have to be able to know when to apply pressure and when to get back and read the hog and that is nothing but stock sense and that is the difference alot of times in baying hogs or just running hogs no difference in baying a set of cows you go put set rough dogs on group of cows most of times they going though fences and scattering all over country side
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